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Re: [members-discuss] remove automated ticket system reply from member discussion list
by Brandon Butterworth 13 Jun '14

13 Jun '14

and remove people sending html only email? > <html><head></head><body data-blackberry-caret-color="#00a8df" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The problem is, as an organisation, to set up this process will incur a cost and will require additional FTEs so that other services aren't impacted. I am not saying ‎this can't be done on the side, I am just saying I know how things work and what would end up happening under the current processes and workload. It's easier to just remove the entries from the discuss list and if the LIR contacts to ask what is going on, the person answering the call can explain. This is more of a short term project and would never justify additional FTEs and no argument can be made for them. </div> ...

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Re: [members-discuss] Cogent uses RIPE DB for spam
by Andrei 13 Jun '14

13 Jun '14

Valerii, RIPE DB contains actual information NOT for marketing purposes but to provide possibility to contact IP administrator/ tech and resolve any issues. In case of mass usage DB information for marketing purposes end users will try to hide/limit actual infromation in RIPE DB. On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Valerii Lolin <vlelin(a)infiumhost.com> wrote: > and? > > it's great problem for you? > or they called to your own (private) number? > > > why your questions addressed to RIPE NCC members? > you want to discuss cogent policy? > > > > > 2014-06-13 15:12 GMT+03:00 Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master(a)gmail.com>: > >> Hi Colleagues, >> >> First of all, happy Friday 13 =) >> >> Cogent uses RIPE DB for phone spam. My colleague just received a phone >> call from +31204621445 with IP Transit offer. Colleague's phone number >> is published as admin-c in RIPE DB only. >> >> For me it's very bad practice for same company like Cogent to use RIPE DB >> for spamming. Did anybody receive same calls/emails based on RIPE DB info? >> >> Thanks. >> >> - >> Andrei Kushnireuski >> AK1065-RIPE >> regID: cz.alfatelecom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. >> > > -- Andrei Kushnireuski Alfa Telecom s.r.o. REGID: cz.alfatelecom nic-hdl: AK1065-RIPE phone: +420226020360

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Re: [members-discuss] My Question To All LIR Members
by admin＠intl-alliance.com 29 May '14

29 May '14

That thought was kind of pointless after they refused to help. I've spent hours on their site manually updating all of their inaccuracies over the past few years. From one month to the next they can screw up entire ranges with their monthly updates. My networks do not run proxies period. I run vpn services and remote desktops, but never proxies. And vpn services cannot be classified the same as open proxies as they are totally different. On 2014-05-28 09:33, Edward Dore wrote: > Have you asked them why they believe the IP address space in question > is being used to run open/anonymous proxy servers? > > Edward Dore > Freethought Internet > > On 28 May 2014, at 09:30, admin(a)intl-alliance.com wrote: > >> I have already gone through the process of informing them, using >> their >> corrections form on their website, and pleading with them to update >> their database. For years, this worked just fine. They used to be a >> very >> cooperative company. Starting last week, they began marking huge >> sections of my ip addresses as anonymous proxies and completely >> removing >> any country information from them. Then these inaccuracies were then >> >> sold to all their clients and now sections of my ip ranges are all >> screwed up now and as a direct result of that, I lose business in my >> >> line of work. Here is the response I received from them after a very >> >> long email to them: >> >> Dear Mr. Twyler, >> >> As you're aware, we endeavor to provide accurate IP geolocation of >> Internet end-users and to identify proxies where possible in our IP >> intelligence products. We may not accept corrections to our data >> where >> we believe they do not increase the accuracy of our IP geolocation >> or >> improve proxy identification. >> If you'd like to communicate with our legal counsel, we invite you >> to >> email legal(a)maxmind.com. >> >> Regards, >> Jason Ketola >> V.P., Operations >> >> This response would have been tolerable had I been a proxy supplier. >> >> However I am not. And this company is completely unwilling to >> reconsider >> my case, even though I've informed them that they are causing me a >> massive loss of business by doing this. >> >> On 2014-05-28 09:10, Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca wrote: >> Hi Jared, >> >> What do you mean exactly? >> MaxMind != RIR >> >> MaxMind is only a company who sell geolocation services based on IP >> Address. >> Being member of a RIR is a completely different thing. >> >> Also, whats wrong on the maxmind geo database? >> >> I have updated several IP blocks on Ripe Database and maxmind >> updated >> it. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> El 28/05/2014 8:55, admin(a)intl-alliance.com escribió: >> Here is a question I propose to all RIPE NCC LIR members: >> >> What is the point in remaining a LIR member of the RIPE NCC if >> private >> companies like www.maxmind.com [1] do not have to adhere to the data >> >> that’s >> officially published in the NCC ip address database? If private >> companies are allowed to produce their own ip databases based on >> information not obtained in the official NCC database, why continue >> on >> with membership here? It seems pointless if a private company can >> completely ignore a LIR database, produce and then sell faulty >> databases >> to thousands of websites. >> >> Jared Twyler >> Chief Executive Officer >> IAPS Security Services, L.L.C. >> Skype: iaps_support >> FB: http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp [2] >> Blog: http://www.jareds-blog.com [3] >> Web: http://www.intl-alliance.com/store [4] >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >> members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> >> general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ [5] >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >> From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> -- >> Daniel Baeza >> Centro de Observación de Red >> Dpto. Internet y Telefonía >> Television Costa Blanca S.L. >> Telf. 966190565 >> WEB: http://www.tvt.es [6] >> Correo: datos(a)tvt-datos.es >> >> --AVISO LEGAL-- >> >> En cumplimiento de la Ley Orgánica 15/1999, de 13 de diciembre de >> protección de datos de carácter personal, se pone en conocimiento >> del >> destinatario del presente correo electrónico, que los datos >> incluidos >> en este mensaje, están dirigidos exclusivamente al citado >> destinatario >> cuyo nombre aparece en el encabezamiento, por lo que si usted no es >> la >> persona interesada rogamos nos comunique el error de envío y se >> abstenga de realizar copias del mensaje o de los datos contenidos en >> el mismo o remitirlo o entregarlo a otra persona, procediendo a >> borrarlo de inmediato. >> Asimismo le informamos que sus datos de correo han quedado incluidos >> en nuestra base de datos a fin de dirigirle, por este medio, >> comunicaciones comerciales, profesionales e informativas y que usted >> dispone de los derechos de acceso, rectificación, cancelación y >> especificación de los mismos, derechos que podrá hacer efectivos >> dirigiéndose a Televisión Costa Blanca, S.L., C/ San Policarpo 41 >> Bajo. C.P: 03181 Torrevieja (Alicante). >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >> members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ [5] >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >> From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ [5] > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.maxmind.com > [2] http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp > [3] http://www.jareds-blog.com > [4] http://www.intl-alliance.com/store > [5] https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > [6] http://www.tvt.es

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Re: [members-discuss] My Question To All LIR Members
by Hank Nussbacher 28 May '14

28 May '14

At 10:41 28/05/2014 +0100, Edward Dore wrote: No geo-database is perfect. For example, take RIPE. If we use: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/delegated-ripencc-latest ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/RIR-Statistics-Exchange-Format.txt Note they add a disclaimer which wasn't there in Feb 2012: cc = ISO 3166 2-letter country code, and the enumerated variances of {AP,EU,UK} These values are not defined in ISO 3166 but are widely used. The cc value identifies the country. However, it is not specified if this is the country where the addresses are used. There are no rules defined for this value. It therefore cannot be used in any reliable way to map IP addresses to countries Only after I complained did they add that line in. Why? Many companies used that info to do geolocation. Including a two major firewall vendors. So when a number of local companies in Israel decided to stop foreign based attacks by turning on "geo-location" in their f/w and allow only Israel based IPs to access their systems (think banks, insurance companies, municipalties, etc.), guess what happened to all of academia who have their IP ranges listed as country=EU due to ERX transfer from ARIN to RIPE. Yup! Professors were no longer able to access their pension fund info, students were unable to pay their municipal taxes - all because of geo-location. Took me weeks to find each and every one and get the sysadmin to fix their broken geo-location service. And to get the f/w vendors to fix their broken geo-location database pull. I had similar issues with Maxmind since Ookla was/is using them and returning incorrect info. I sent multiple correction reports to correction(a)maxmind.com and support(a)maxmind.com and never even received a response. So consider yourself lucky that you are getting responses from them. Bottom line: geo-location sucks and anyone who trusts their systems to it are only thinking along 98% perfection - rather than having a 100% perfect solution. -Hank >The RIPE database is not primarily concerned with GeoIP data, it is a >registry of who specific IP address blocks are allocated to and how they >can be contacted. > >MaxMind may draw some of their GeoIP data from the the RIR databases, but >they also get a lot of it from elsewhere, which allows them to be more >specific than just the country code contained in the RIPE database. > >Additionally, the RIPE database manual states the following for the >"country" field in the "inetnum" object: > >>"It has not been specified what this country means. It cannot therefore >>be used in any reliable way to map IP addresses to countries" > >As a customer of MaxMind, I depend on them providing me with accurate, >useful information about the location and use of IP addresses for fraud >screening etc. If MaxMind were to draw that information only from the RIPE >database, then not only would MaxMind be pointless (as I could just get >the information directly from RIPE) but the accuracy would be >significantly reduced (country level instead of city level) and it would >be easy for people to game the system simply by changing their objects in >the RIPE database to contain false information. > >MaxMind do not "make up" their information, they calculate it from >multiple sources and this is what MaxMind customers are buying - data >derived from multiple sources and processed by MaxMind's algorithms. > >Obviously these algorithms are never going to be 100% accurate, which is >why if people believe that the data contained in the MaxMind database is >inaccurate then they can submit suggestions for corrections which MaxMind >will then evaluate. MixMind are under no obligation to use any corrections >submitted and are quite right to reject them if they believe that they are >inaccurate or misleading for any reason. > >Accuracy of their database is important to MaxMinds' customers and thus to >MaxMind. If their database is largely inaccurate, then it is useless to >their customers and MaxMind will lose business as a result. Obviously it >is therefore in MaxMind's best interest to keep their database as accurate >and up to date as possible. > >As for the open proxy vs VPN, I can completely understand why MaxMind >could detect VPNs as open proxy servers and as a user of their minFraud >service I would expect to treat the two in exactly the same way because >they are providing an identical function - to obscure the location and >details of the end user. > >Edward Dore >Freethought Internet > >On 28 May 2014, at 10:02, ><mailto:admin@intl-alliance.com>admin(a)intl-alliance.com wrote: > >>I depend on Maxmind using data obtained from a central registry. If all >>ip tracing websites created their own databases with information they >>made up, we wouldn't bother with the RIPE database any more because it >>would become obsolete. We depend on ip tracing websites to gather their >>information from authority sites, not the garbage they produce on their >>own. And I'm only interested, as well as my end-users, of seeing ip >>information that I've registered in the appropriate places. Simply >>stating that "we're only interested in end-user locations" rather than >>ip registration data, sits badly in my mind. And it has also caught the >>attention of the RIPE NCC itself, which just sent me the following email >>regarding this situation: >> >>Dear Jared, >> >>Thank you for your email. >> >>We value your concern about correct registration details for internet >>resources. >> >>However the RIPE NCC has no authority on how private companies compile >>their data and how much they take information from the RIPE database in >>account. >>Did you contacted MaxMind directly and informed them about the >>mismatching information they provide? Because finally if information are >>incorrect then this is not only damaging companies like yours but also >>the reputation of the providers of this data. >> >>And I will forward your observation to my colleagues from the >><http://stat.ripe.net>stat.ripe.net team as there for Geolocation we are >>using data from >>MaxMind. >><https://stat.ripe.net/193.0.20.0#tabId=geo>https://stat.ripe.net/193.0.20.0#tabId=geo >> >>Then my colleagues will check if there could be any conflicting >>information in our own tools. >> >>-- >>Thank you again for bring up this topic. >> >>Kind regards, >> >>Marco Schmidt >>RIPE NCC >> >> >>On 2014-05-28 09:52, Alfredo Sola wrote: >>>>That thought was kind of pointless after they refused to help. I've >>>>spent hours on their site manually updating all of their inaccuracies >>>>over the past few years. From one month to the next they can screw up >>>>entire ranges with their monthly updates. My networks do not run >>>>proxies >>>>period. I run vpn services and remote desktops, but never proxies. And >>>>vpn services cannot be classified the same as open proxies as they are >>>>totally different. >>> >>>I think your issue is more a business model problem than a registry >>>or IP problem. >>> >>>What you are saying is that you depend on Maxmind providing the >>>location of your VPN servers / remote desktop servers rather than the >>>location of users computers connected to them. Maxmind, on the other >>>hand, is saying that they provide the location of users if they can, >>>or will mark the location as unknown. >>> >>>So your business model depends on Maxmind agreeing to provide to >>>their customers something which is not what they pay to obtain. And >>>they refuse. I personally don't think they can be blamed for that, but >>>that's something between your company and Maxmind. And nothing in this >>>has to do with RIPE. >> >>---- >>If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>general page: >>https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >>Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>here, you can add or remove addresses. > >---- >If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >general page: >https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > >Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] My Question To All LIR Members
by Gert Doering 28 May '14

28 May '14

Hi, On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 03:19:26PM +0100, Bill Lewis wrote: > ahh so I think I get it now... No, you're mixing up different cases. The original poster is providing VPN services, where the whole point is "hide the true origin of the user of the VPN service". Whether you call it "VPN" or "proxy" or whatever, this is just different technical means to achieve the same goal. Now, MaxMind caught up on this, and marks his IP ranges as "proxy services", aka "we don't know where in the world the user is" - which is quite correct. Now, if your business model is based on "I'm in the US, I'm offering VPN based services for money, so people can watch US-only television offerings" this tag would certainly wreck your business model. OTOH, that business model is bordering on fraud to begin with - getting paid to provide a way to circumvent content providers' restrictions that are there for a reason. (Of course I can see the point of someone actually *being* from the US, traveling abroad, wanting to watch his home TV shows - but I claim the majority of users just want to circumvent the restrictions, without actually being uS-centric) So - of *course* these VPN providers are unhappy if MaxMind provides correct data ("proxy service"). But such is business - your market niche just went away. Nothing RIPE is going to do about it. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279

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Re: [members-discuss] My Question To All LIR Members
by Lu Heng 28 May '14

28 May '14

it's like blacklist for spammers...even though a lot of spammer claim they are obeying the can-spam law, they still can not sue spamhuis for blacklisting them, because end of the day, spamhuis are only express their opinion and they do not force anyone to use their opinion. same for the location thing, they only express their opinion and they are not forcing anyone to believe in them...so aside from contact each content provider or maxmind their self, i really don't see much we can do about it. but really...i don't think ripe member mailing list is something for this kind of discussion about private business... On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Bill Lewis <Bill.lewis(a)kijoma.co.uk> wrote: > hi, > > this has become a problem for us recently. Customers reporting sites such as > netflix and spotify declaring that they are in a different country. > > The least this does is change their web pages to the language making it near > impossible to use, the worst is a complete denial of service due to being > outside the service coverage area. > > We have had to ask customers of these services to pressure the content > providers to resolve their location database issues as the likes of Maxmind > are near impossible to gain any action out of from our experience. > > It seems if paying customers of the content providers growl at them then the > problem gets fixed a lot faster than an ISP contacting Maxmind etc.. > > Surely it isn't hard for the likes of Maxmind to use the top level country > data from RIPE at least, before bolting on their localising data? > > I am sure there are malicious entities out there feeding these databases > with junk for the fun of it too.. > > -- > Bill Lewis > Kijoma Broadband > > > > On 28/05/2014 11:16, Sinan Özşekerci wrote: > > I can’t understand why I have to spend time end effort to correct a private > company’s database and helping them to earn more money where they don’t > mind to harm buissness of other ones with distributing false information > about them. > > > > This comes to me like some kind of blackmailing, harming you in first place > and forcing you to help them serve better and make more money. > > > > In our case , maximind is showing the location of our IP subnets in a > “Village” which of the name is the same as our company just by coincidence, > and is hundreds of km away from our HQ, in a totally different city. > > > > So all these algorithms and fancy ways they use to retrieve these “more > specific” data is crap for me. > > > > > > As a LIR , I only know RIPE, and since RIPE is the Authority, I expect them > to rely on their own database which has the information that I have control > on, and not to some 3th party moneymakers. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sinan ÖZŞEKERCİ > > > > > > > > From: members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net > [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dore > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 12:41 PM > To: admin(a)intl-alliance.com > Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] My Question To All LIR Members > > > > The RIPE database is not primarily concerned with GeoIP data, it is a > registry of who specific IP address blocks are allocated to and how they can > be contacted. > > > > MaxMind may draw some of their GeoIP data from the the RIR databases, but > they also get a lot of it from elsewhere, which allows them to be more > specific than just the country code contained in the RIPE database. > > > > Additionally, the RIPE database manual states the following for the > “country” field in the “inetnum” object: > > > > "It has not been specified what this country means. It cannot therefore be > used in any reliable way to map IP addresses to countries" > > > > As a customer of MaxMind, I depend on them providing me with accurate, > useful information about the location and use of IP addresses for fraud > screening etc. If MaxMind were to draw that information only from the RIPE > database, then not only would MaxMind be pointless (as I could just get the > information directly from RIPE) but the accuracy would be significantly > reduced (country level instead of city level) and it would be easy for > people to game the system simply by changing their objects in the RIPE > database to contain false information. > > > > MaxMind do not “make up” their information, they calculate it from multiple > sources and this is what MaxMind customers are buying - data derived from > multiple sources and processed by MaxMind’s algorithms. > > > > Obviously these algorithms are never going to be 100% accurate, which is why > if people believe that the data contained in the MaxMind database is > inaccurate then they can submit suggestions for corrections which MaxMind > will then evaluate. MixMind are under no obligation to use any corrections > submitted and are quite right to reject them if they believe that they are > inaccurate or misleading for any reason. > > > > Accuracy of their database is important to MaxMinds’ customers and thus to > MaxMind. If their database is largely inaccurate, then it is useless to > their customers and MaxMind will lose business as a result. Obviously it is > therefore in MaxMind’s best interest to keep their database as accurate and > up to date as possible. > > > > As for the open proxy vs VPN, I can completely understand why MaxMind could > detect VPNs as open proxy servers and as a user of their minFraud service I > would expect to treat the two in exactly the same way because they are > providing an identical function - to obscure the location and details of the > end user. > > > > Edward Dore > Freethought Internet > > On 28 May 2014, at 10:02, admin(a)intl-alliance.com wrote: > > > > I depend on Maxmind using data obtained from a central registry. If all > ip tracing websites created their own databases with information they > made up, we wouldn't bother with the RIPE database any more because it > would become obsolete. We depend on ip tracing websites to gather their > information from authority sites, not the garbage they produce on their > own. And I'm only interested, as well as my end-users, of seeing ip > information that I've registered in the appropriate places. Simply > stating that "we're only interested in end-user locations" rather than > ip registration data, sits badly in my mind. And it has also caught the > attention of the RIPE NCC itself, which just sent me the following email > regarding this situation: > > Dear Jared, > > Thank you for your email. > > We value your concern about correct registration details for internet > resources. > > However the RIPE NCC has no authority on how private companies compile > their data and how much they take information from the RIPE database in > account. > Did you contacted MaxMind directly and informed them about the > mismatching information they provide? Because finally if information are > incorrect then this is not only damaging companies like yours but also > the reputation of the providers of this data. > > And I will forward your observation to my colleagues from the > stat.ripe.net team as there for Geolocation we are using data from > MaxMind. > https://stat.ripe.net/193.0.20.0#tabId=geo > > Then my colleagues will check if there could be any conflicting > information in our own tools. > > -- > Thank you again for bring up this topic. > > Kind regards, > > Marco Schmidt > RIPE NCC > > > On 2014-05-28 09:52, Alfredo Sola wrote: > > That thought was kind of pointless after they refused to help. I've > spent hours on their site manually updating all of their inaccuracies > over the past few years. From one month to the next they can screw up > entire ranges with their monthly updates. My networks do not run > proxies > period. I run vpn services and remote desktops, but never proxies. And > vpn services cannot be classified the same as open proxies as they are > totally different. > > > I think your issue is more a business model problem than a > registry > or IP problem. > > What you are saying is that you depend on Maxmind providing the > location of your VPN servers / remote desktop servers rather than the > location of users computers connected to them. Maxmind, on the other > hand, is saying that they provide the location of users if they can, > or will mark the location as unknown. > > So your business model depends on Maxmind agreeing to provide to > their customers something which is not what they pay to obtain. And > they refuse. I personally don't think they can be blamed for that, but > that's something between your company and Maxmind. And nothing in this > has to do with RIPE. > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general > page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, > you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general > page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, > you can add or remove addresses. > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general > page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Re: [members-discuss] My Question To All LIR Members
by admin＠intl-alliance.com 28 May '14

28 May '14

What makes matters even worse, is that last month in late April I received a last thousand ip address allocation from RIPE. I didn't even route it/announce it until this past week. I haven't even deployed this new range yet and already Maxmind has it all marked as anonymous proxies. And this is on a brand new allocation that hasn't even been deployed yet to any one. On 2014-05-28 09:42, Edward Dore wrote: > Have you asked them why they believe the IP address space in question > is being used to run open/anonymous proxy servers? > > Edward Dore > Freethought Internet > > On 28 May 2014, at 09:30, admin(a)intl-alliance.com wrote: > >> I have already gone through the process of informing them, using >> their >> corrections form on their website, and pleading with them to update >> their database. For years, this worked just fine. They used to be a >> very >> cooperative company. Starting last week, they began marking huge >> sections of my ip addresses as anonymous proxies and completely >> removing >> any country information from them. Then these inaccuracies were then >> >> sold to all their clients and now sections of my ip ranges are all >> screwed up now and as a direct result of that, I lose business in my >> >> line of work. Here is the response I received from them after a very >> >> long email to them: >> >> Dear Mr. Twyler, >> >> As you're aware, we endeavor to provide accurate IP geolocation of >> Internet end-users and to identify proxies where possible in our IP >> intelligence products. We may not accept corrections to our data >> where >> we believe they do not increase the accuracy of our IP geolocation >> or >> improve proxy identification. >> If you'd like to communicate with our legal counsel, we invite you >> to >> email legal(a)maxmind.com. >> >> Regards, >> Jason Ketola >> V.P., Operations >> >> This response would have been tolerable had I been a proxy supplier. >> >> However I am not. And this company is completely unwilling to >> reconsider >> my case, even though I've informed them that they are causing me a >> massive loss of business by doing this. >> >> On 2014-05-28 09:10, Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca wrote: >> Hi Jared, >> >> What do you mean exactly? >> MaxMind != RIR >> >> MaxMind is only a company who sell geolocation services based on IP >> Address. >> Being member of a RIR is a completely different thing. >> >> Also, whats wrong on the maxmind geo database? >> >> I have updated several IP blocks on Ripe Database and maxmind >> updated >> it. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> El 28/05/2014 8:55, admin(a)intl-alliance.com escribió: >> Here is a question I propose to all RIPE NCC LIR members: >> >> What is the point in remaining a LIR member of the RIPE NCC if >> private >> companies like www.maxmind.com [1] do not have to adhere to the data >> >> that’s >> officially published in the NCC ip address database? If private >> companies are allowed to produce their own ip databases based on >> information not obtained in the official NCC database, why continue >> on >> with membership here? It seems pointless if a private company can >> completely ignore a LIR database, produce and then sell faulty >> databases >> to thousands of websites. >> >> Jared Twyler >> Chief Executive Officer >> IAPS Security Services, L.L.C. >> Skype: iaps_support >> FB: http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp [2] >> Blog: http://www.jareds-blog.com [3] >> Web: http://www.intl-alliance.com/store [4] >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >> members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> >> general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ [5] >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >> From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. >> >> -- >> Daniel Baeza >> Centro de Observación de Red >> Dpto. Internet y Telefonía >> Television Costa Blanca S.L. >> Telf. 966190565 >> WEB: http://www.tvt.es [6] >> Correo: datos(a)tvt-datos.es >> >> --AVISO LEGAL-- >> >> En cumplimiento de la Ley Orgánica 15/1999, de 13 de diciembre de >> protección de datos de carácter personal, se pone en conocimiento >> del >> destinatario del presente correo electrónico, que los datos >> incluidos >> en este mensaje, están dirigidos exclusivamente al citado >> destinatario >> cuyo nombre aparece en el encabezamiento, por lo que si usted no es >> la >> persona interesada rogamos nos comunique el error de envío y se >> abstenga de realizar copias del mensaje o de los datos contenidos en >> el mismo o remitirlo o entregarlo a otra persona, procediendo a >> borrarlo de inmediato. >> Asimismo le informamos que sus datos de correo han quedado incluidos >> en nuestra base de datos a fin de dirigirle, por este medio, >> comunicaciones comerciales, profesionales e informativas y que usted >> dispone de los derechos de acceso, rectificación, cancelación y >> especificación de los mismos, derechos que podrá hacer efectivos >> dirigiéndose a Televisión Costa Blanca, S.L., C/ San Policarpo 41 >> Bajo. C.P: 03181 Torrevieja (Alicante). >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >> members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >> general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ [5] >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >> From >> here, you can add or remove addresses. > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ [5] > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.maxmind.com > [2] http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp > [3] http://www.jareds-blog.com > [4] http://www.intl-alliance.com/store > [5] https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > [6] http://www.tvt.es

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My Question To All LIR Members
by admin＠intl-alliance.com 28 May '14

28 May '14

Here is a question I propose to all RIPE NCC LIR members: What is the point in remaining a LIR member of the RIPE NCC if private companies like www.maxmind.com do not have to adhere to the data that’s officially published in the NCC ip address database? If private companies are allowed to produce their own ip databases based on information not obtained in the official NCC database, why continue on with membership here? It seems pointless if a private company can completely ignore a LIR database, produce and then sell faulty databases to thousands of websites. Jared Twyler Chief Executive Officer IAPS Security Services, L.L.C. Skype: iaps_support FB: http://www.facebook.com/iapscorp Blog: http://www.jareds-blog.com Web: http://www.intl-alliance.com/store

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Re: [members-discuss] Reverse DNS issue - zone still not working fromripe DNS server
by None 09 May '14

09 May '14

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Re: [members-discuss] IPv4 - Charging Won't Help You
by Vlad Dascalu 24 Dec '13

24 Dec '13

>> IP Market = resource < demand (charging won’t help) That's simply not true, it's economy 101 basic stuff: demand adjusts based on price. If the price is higher, the demand will fall until it's equal to demand. Consider the case of large telecom that have an unique IP for every telephone line. A higher price is the only motivation that will encourage them to switch their private VOIP network to IPv6. At that higher price-point their transition will be feasible for them, why still being easily affordable by businesses which need a IPv4 for their website or other critical resources. Resource depletion shouldn't prevent an efficient allocation of scarcity. Vlad On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Tony Turner <tony.turner(a)nodemax.com>wrote: > > > Yep we are going for IPv6, we are applying over Xmas. We are not bothered > by lack of IPv4. We plan around it. > > > > All I was saying is charging for each IP’s won’t work where as it does in > the telecoms market. > > > > IP Market = resource < demand (charging won’t help) > > Telecoms Phone Numbers = resource > than demand (charging will help) > > > > So you can charge in telecoms market not in IP market , it won’t make a > difference. > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > *From:* members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net [mailto: > members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Joao Silveira > *Sent:* 16 December 2013 11:48 > *To:* members-discuss(a)ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC > > > > Hi All, > > Why not use IPv6. The IPv4 market will go down definitively. > > Hugs, > > --- > > Joao Silveira > > [image: logo] > > > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:34:29 -0000, Tony Turner wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > A Fee for a Resource that is significantly smaller than Demand won’t work > .... all it will do is create another market for those with extra IP’s .. > > > > What do other markets do when there is a shortage ..... it is not > guaranteed to work in this market .... > > > > Never posted on here but here is my 2 pence worth so bear with me ... > > > > Our experience from a telecommunications view is interesting. We had been > issued by Ofcom 600 x 10,000 blocks of phone numbers, some ranges were > issued in 1K blocks where there was shortage in a town, but if not 10,000 > blocks, our mobile range is 100,000 > > > > Now we never need 10K blocks for all towns, yes London but not Maldon .... > 1K would have been fine. > > > > Now Ofcom have never charged for phone numbers historically, but that has > all started to change due to a shortage > > and of course lack of Government funding. > > > > First they went to 1K blocks as numbers for a town became scarce.... > > > > Now they are starting to charge for numbers in the towns which they say > are a conservation area where numbers are scarce. > > > > They charge 10p per number per year, whether allocated to a customer or > not. > > > > Now we have given back *promptly* 4 million phone numbers some big mobile > companies have also dumped the numbers and services on some of those > numbers like broadband VOIP some mobile operators cut the service. > > > > Phone numbers I am sure will never run out so companies not using them > will give them back as they know, “hey we can get some more”. > > > > With IP’s that’s different, I think whatever happens IPV4 will run out (or > has) whatever approach is taken. The big boys know this and can afford to > keep them whatever is charged for them so I doubt the big telcos/ISP’s will > ever give them back. Irrespective of a charge. > > > > The only IP’s you may get back if they are charged for is from small > operators ... but as IP’s are so scarce I even doubt these will be given > back as companies can rent them out as they are a scarce resource with a > demand greater than supply unlike UK phone numbers where the demand is less > than supply but phone numbers where just allocated on blocks too large (so > mis -managed). > > > > You may think great they will rent them out, I doubt the terms of such > will make you smile .. > > > > So charging won’t necessarily work. > > > > Regards > > Tony > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net [ > mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net>] > *On Behalf Of *Oliver Bryssau > *Sent:* 16 December 2013 09:59 > *To:* RIPE > *Cc:* members-discuss(a)ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC > > > > Hi All, > > I think that post hits the nail on the head perfectly. > > I guess if so many of us feel this way we should investigate the Ripe > framework to see if there is something that can be done to create positive > change. > > This would be a great short/medium term solution however we all must look > to support ipv6 natively. > > Merry Christmas, > Oliver > > On 16 Dec 2013 09:39, "RIPE" <ripe(a)centronet.cz> wrote: > > Hello, > > everyone who says "IPv4 is gone" is living in his/her dreams, denying > reality and IPv4 market (and those mentioned average 2 letters/IPv4 > requests per day). It may be true for some, but it obviously isn't for > others, no matter reasons. While I understand IPv6 propagation, I don't > think that punishing/discriminating small IPv4 holders in need for a few > more IPs is right. Actually, releasing those big unused IPv4 blocks might > have much better impact for IPv6 development, while the small ones would > appreciate "a few more C" and it may even be enought for a few more > months/years this way. > > While I must admit I'm not sure how to do this, some fee for IP addresses > sounds like natural way. So I must agree, if you are happy IPv6 user who > had no problems to move from IPv4 (or started at IPv6 directly) and > doesn't need IPv4 addresses anymore, just return them all and you can stop > to care about it and less lucky us. You may even have it cheaper. Saying > that you don't need IPv4 because you have IPv6 already sounds like "I don't > have this problem so I don't want/need it to be solved and I don't care > about others" to me. Or in worse case, it may even be "I like current state > because I own those big blocks and I have profit from it". Nothing personal > here, I wasn't screening anyone and I don't accuse anyone. Just annoyed > from all those "IPv6 solves everything" announcers who are, at same time, > so much against returning of any unused IPv4 space. Thanks for your > understanding. > > > Merry Christmas to everyone > > Matej Vavrousek > CentroNet, a.s. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net [mailto: > members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Cocito > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:42 PM > To: Gert Doering > Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC > > > On Dec 12, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Gert Doering <gert(a)space.net> wrote: > > IPv4 is *gone*, get over it. No matter of discussion here or elsewhere > > will bring back IPv4 in quantities needed to "last forever", so all you > > are doing is postponing the inevitable, and burning lots of effort and > > money in the denial phase. > > Right, then if the fee scheme is changed in that way there will be no > problem for LIRs who have millions of IPv4 addresses allocated to release > them and save money :) > > A. > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the > general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From > here, you can add or remove addresses. >

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