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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by D. Walde - Walde IT-Systemhaus 04 Jun '25

04 Jun '25

IPv6 is cheaper to implement, but the transition is a curse for admins. They don't understand it, because they only know 255. Companies should clean up their IPv4 networks. Fees should be fairer for members. We have costs that are rising with the maturity. Yes, perhaps a red line should be applied there. But we're all clear on this point, only because there is a membership charter, and it's not exactly fair. We need to come up with a new fee structure that is fair to all members. -- Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Walde IT-Systemhaus - CEO Dirk Walde - IT-Specialist

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Members-Discuss Mailing List Placed Under Moderation
by Hans Petter Holen 03 Jun '25

03 Jun '25

Dear members, In light of recent activity on the members-discuss mailing list, the Executive Board resolved to place the members-discuss mailing list in moderation until further notice. This follows numerous complaints that have been made about mails that are off-topic and/or contain material that does not show tolerance or respect for fellow members of the list. The resolution is: “The RIPE NCC Executive Board resolves to temporarily moderate the members-discuss mailing list starting from Monday 2 June 2025, 20:00 CEST and until further notice. The mailing list will be moderated in accordance with the purpose of the mailing list and the principles of the RIPE Code of Conduct by a designated member of the RIPE NCC Executive Board and a RIPE NCC staff member. All emails, accepted or rejected, will be archived on the RIPE NCC website.” The minutes of the Board meeting will be published soon. With this resolution, the principles of the RIPE Code of Conduct will be applied to the members-discuss list. Emails that do not meet the requirements of the code of conduct will not be approved to be posted to the list. Mails that do not meet the intended purpose of providing members with a means to discuss membership issues among themselves will also not be approved to be posted to the list. The moderators of the list will be the Executive Board Secretary and one member of RIPE NCC staff. Mails will be moderated during office hours. A separate archive of all mails, including those rejected by the moderators, is available for all members to view should they wish to do so. Mails on the unmoderated list are deleted after three months. https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/members-discuss-unmoderated@ripe.net/ Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen Managing Director and CEO RIPE NCC

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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by D. Walde - Walde IT-Systemhaus 02 Jun '25

02 Jun '25

It's about fair distribution. And companies that earn millions should also understand that they have to do their share. And not just laugh and say, "Yeah, unfortunately, you came 30 years too late." You won't even be able to get started in the market. We need to come up with a new fee structure that is fair to all members. Yes, I'm exaggerating about the statement about millions. But it should be possible to even consider approaches to a fair model. Everyone should openly say how we could improve the model without being immediately punished by others. Suggestions are welcome. Just because the model is 30 years old doesn't necessarily make it good or fair. Suggestions are ideas, and they can be good, bad, or whatever. But that's what suggestions are about: the exchange of ideas and opinions. Just because I like chocolate ice cream the most doesn't mean everyone has to share my opinion. or even like ice cream. Greetings, Dirk -- Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Walde IT-Systemhaus - CEO Dirk Walde - IT-Specialist

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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by Matthias Brumm 31 May '25

31 May '25

Hi! If you mean the network administrators in organisations, we are on the same page. Because of them, ISPs feel the need of IPv4. End users / consumers and network / backbone operators are good to go. Matthias Am Samstag, dem 31.05.2025 um 12:39 +0200 schrieb Kees Meijs | Nefos: > > Hi, > > End users don't care for IPv6 (or even known about) when "it works". > It's the local network administrators. > > K. > > On 31-05-2025 11:13, Matthias Brumm wrote: > > > > > > But I do not think the network operators are the breaking point, it > > is > > the customers who are afraid of IPv6. > > > >

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Analysis on Participation in May 2025 GM
by Ilke Ilhan 30 May '25

30 May '25

Hi all, Following the GM on 14 May, we analysed participation and reflected on turnout. In this new article on RIPE Labs, we share our thoughts on what we saw: https://labs.ripe.net/author/ilke-ilhan/gm-may-2025-a-deep-dive-into-low-tu… Let us know what else you'd like to see covered in these post-GM pieces. Cheers, Ilke

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Tucows user activation
by Registry Operations 30 May '25

30 May '25

Hi members-discuss@ripe. net, As a direct result of your support submission to us, we have created a new account for you so you can review, manage, submit new, and check your open help requests for updates. Click the url below to activate your account and select a password! https://tucowsincteam.freshdesk.com/register/puLaRw3EfHPExvfSmRP If the above URL does not work try copying and pasting it into your browser. If you continue to have problems, please feel free to contact us. Regards,

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Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by Peter Hessler 30 May '25

30 May '25

Hello everyone, As mentioned during the presentation at the GM last week, the Charging Scheme Task Force is interested in your comments and suggestions on our draft report, until the end of May 2025. Here's a link to the draft report, for your perusal. https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/Draft_Report_of_the_RIPE_NCC_Charging_… We welcome comments either on the members-discuss list here or you can email them directly to us at: charging-scheme-task-force2024(a)ripe.net. While we do not want to discourage any discussion, the Task Force is unable to consider comments made elsewhere. Best Regards, Peter Hessler Co-Chair Charging Scheme Task Force

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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by Brett Sheffield 28 May '25

28 May '25

Hi Connor, On 2025-05-28 10:01, Connor McFarlane wrote: > I wish it were this simple. I agree that IPv6 adoption is the way to go, but > removing IPv4 from RIPE services I think will probably achieve the opposite > effect (as well as breaking a lot of things). > > Not everyone is a residential ISP here, so for instance my home ISP doesn't > do IPv6 (https://www.havevirginmediaenabledipv6yet.co.uk/).i If you do not have IPv6 in 2025 you do have an internet connection. ISPs in the UK like AAISP have been providing residential and business IPv6 for more than 20 years, and tunnels have been available for much longer. Everyone operating a RIPE account should be reading this on an IPv6 connection. If we can't even get our own tech-savvy membership to commit to IPv6 for accessing RIPE services, what the hell are we doing? > Enabling IPv6 at that sort of scale isn't a case of just flicking a switch, They've had a quarter of a century. We can give them another year. Perhaps two. But lets set a date. Seriously - it's time. This is something I'd like to see RIPE commit to. We can argue about the date, but let's set one. Countries like the Czech Republic have committed to switching off IPv4 by 2032. That's the entire country: https://konecipv4.cz/en/ It has been mandatory for ISPs in Belorussia to support IPv6 for over 5 years now. Cheers, -- Brett Sheffield (he/him) Gladserv Ltd

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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by D. Walde - Walde IT-Systeme 28 May '25

28 May '25

I have the same problem myself. As a newbie, I only got an IPv4 network through the waiting list. I hope it's finally my turn in a month or two. I've worked my way up from 1183rd place to 72nd place. Given the current international situation with IPv6, I urgently need it if I want to make any money with services for businesses. And as a web host who rents out VServers, you really need more than a /24; even as a small company, I would like a /22. All customers want cheap VServers. But they have both IPv4 and IPv6. I don't get any money for pure IPv6 VServers. I'm the last person who doesn't support IPv6 only. But I also believe that as long as /16 and more are just lying around in the corners and some people are making a lot of money by selling and renting IPv4, IPv6 will only be running on the side for the next 20 years because some people can no longer get IPv4 or can only afford it. I currently have IPv6-only in my test infrastructure to test where it still has problems. Likewise, I need to be able to read and write IPv6 addresses, not just 255.255.255.255, which is much easier for many people and IPv6 is not even being considered. What is currently bothering me is the fee model. I have almost no chance of earning money and my costs are extreme, especially in Germany, for connections and electricity. But I have the same membership fee as those who use IPv4 as a money-making machine, and we are even at the mercy of the situation because of the general stock and have to rent or buy to have any future as a business. Something simply has to be done more vigorously. Even if it only means turning off IPv4 worldwide on January 1, 2028, for example. -- Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Walde IT-Systemhaus - CEO Dirk Walde - IT-Specialist

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Revisited: Concerns about cloud usage at RIPE NCC
by Timo Hilbrink 11 May '25

11 May '25

Hi all, Last november i wrote a post to this mailinglist, voicing my concerns about the wide use of US based cloud services at the RIPE NCC. This was just before the US elections took place. RIPE NCC (Felipe) responded to my concerns, and the last sentence of that mail was: "It is difficult to run our operations if we have to speculate on what governments can and cannot do. Instead, we apply a risk-based approach, paying close attention to the contracts we sign with these providers and ensuring that the obligations described in them give the highest possible level of privacy and security for our members." Now, a lot has happened in the world since november, and without going into every detail, i think it is safe to conclude that the US and its big tech companies can no longer be seen as reliable partners when it comes to storing our personal data. In fact it could soon become illegal for EU businesses and organisations to store personal data on US owned cloud platforms; the Transatlantic Data Privacy Framework (TADPF) that allows a free flow of EU data to US providers relies on the "Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board" (PCLOB) for oversight on data protection laws. Already in january, Mr Trump fired all democratic board members of the PCLOB, rendering the board powerless, as they now lack the required quorum necessary to operate. This means that the foundation of the TADPF has essentially been removed, and while EU organisations can still rely on the agreement as long as it's not formally annulled by the European Commission or the Court of Justice, it is now more important than ever to have a contingency plan. So, since the RIPE NCC applies a risk-based approach, my question would be: What contingency plan is there in place for the RIPE NCC? How quickly can they switch to a self hosted or "hosted in Europe" model, while still providing essential services to the members? * Some relevant links with more background information: https://noyb.eu/en/us-cloud-soon-illegal-trump-punches-first-hole-eu-us-dat… https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/trump-s-sacking-of-pclob-members-threa… https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/you-can-no-longer-base-your-government-an… Timo Hilbrink Freedom Internet

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