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Re: Charging Scheme Task Force Meeting Minutes (24 February 2025)
by Andy Davidson 13 Mar '25

13 Mar '25

Hi, Karla, all – Karla wrote: > The RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task > Force held a meeting on 24 February > and the minutes are now available at: As a member, I take a keen interest in the work of the NCC Charging Scheme Task Force 2024. However, I find the latest meeting minutes difficult to follow, particularly given that, according to the Task Force webpage [0], the group should now be well in the phase of finalising recommendations for the Executive Board (February–May 2025). The minutes do not set out a clear list of decisions or actions, nor do they indicate that the Task Force is maintaining a register of risks associated with its recommendations, something I would expect, even if not explicitly mandated. From the minutes, it appears that the group has agreed to recommend: o The disaggregation of membership and service fees; o The introduction of transfer fees; and o A shift to charging per membership group rather than per individual LIR. Is this the full set of recommendations? The December minutes mention a draft report, yet I have been unable to locate a copy. Moreover, the minutes suggest that, at this late stage, the Task Force has not reached consensus on several key issues. The debate over tiered transfer fees remains unresolved, particularly concerning transfers requiring additional due diligence and the treatment of legacy holders. There was broad agreement that M&A transfers should be treated as policy transfers, yet a separate flat-rate fee for M&As was proposed to account for cases such as university mergers. This seems inconsistent. If M&As are to be treated as policy transfers, why should they be subject to a different fee structure? Could you clarify: o What decisions have been made? o What actions remain outstanding? o What risks have been identified and considered? I look forward to your response, and I thank you for your continued effort on this important topic. Best, Andy Davidson ( AJBD-RIPE // uk.ask4internet ) [0] https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha… This email and its contents may be confidential. Access is only authorised by the intended recipient. The contents of this email may not be disclosed to, or used by, anyone other than the intended recipient, or stored or copied in any medium. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately. ASK4 Ltd. Registered in England & Wales with company number 3980594. Registered Address: Devonshire Green House, 14 Fitzwilliam Street, Sheffield, S1 4JL. ASK4 Ltd is part of the ASK4 Group which operates in Europe through various local branches and/or separate and distinct legal entities.

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Executive Board Election Code of Conduct Team for May 2025
by Piotr Strzyżewski 11 Mar '25

11 Mar '25

Dear members, The RIPE NCC Executive Board has appointed the Code of Conduct Team for the May 2025 Executive Board Election. This team will be responsible for evaluating reports of potential violations of the Executive Board Election Code of Conduct by candidates during the election process. The following individuals were selected to serve on the team for the May 2025 election: - Sebastian Becker - Töma Gavrichenkov - Arnold Nipper - Lu Heng - Luca Marini The Executive Board would like to express its gratitude to those who volunteered to take on this important work. The team helps to ensure a fair and respectful election process. We would also like to extend our thanks to the Code of Conduct Team for the May 2024 Executive Board Election for their time and contributions. Their report can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/may-2024/executive-board-electi… <https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/may-2024/executive-board-electi…> The minutes from the Board meeting where this decision was made are available at: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2025/182nd-executive-… Information about the Executive Board Election Code of Conduct is available at: https://www.ripe.net/s/gm/may-2025/eb-election/coc/ Thank you to all who volunteered, and we appreciate your continued engagement in the process. Best regards, Piotr Strzyżewski RIPE NCC Executive Board Secretary

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Charging Scheme Task Force Meeting Minutes (24 February 2025)
by Karla Liddle-White 07 Mar '25

07 Mar '25

Dear all, The RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force held a meeting on 24 February and the minutes are now available at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha… <https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha…> The task force welcomes comments on the minutes, either on this list or you can email them directly at: charging-scheme-task-force2024(a)ripe.net Best regards, Karla Liddle-White Senior Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Is there a good reason to continue having the unmoderated mailing lists?
by Ben Cartwright-Cox 05 Mar '25

05 Mar '25

Hello everybody, I was going through the mailman instance and came across these two -unmoderated lists: https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/members-discuss-unmoderated@ripe.net/ https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/ripe-list-unmoderated@ripe.net/ These mailing lists appear to be almost entirely full of spam/garbage, with such items like: * Petroleum Product Allocation * "Signed Contract Agreement.pdf" * "bulletproof RDP/unlimited SMTP/https cpanel" * "DHL Shipping Document/Tracking No Confirmation" * Apply For UK Loan Desire Is there much reason to keep these lists around? I assume keeping it this way poses some challenges towards MTA IP reputation at the very least, and people who are subscribed to a mailing list have some stake in ensuring that they can continue to receive email from RIPE mailing lists! Cheers Ben

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Charging Scheme Task Force 2024 Meeting Minutes (10 February 2025)
by Karla Liddle-White 28 Feb '25

28 Feb '25

Dear all, The RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force held a meeting on 10 February and the minutes are now available at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha… <https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha…> The task force welcomes comments on the minutes, either on this list or you can mail them directly at: charging-scheme-task-force2024(a)ripe.net Best regards, Karla Liddle-White Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Charging Scheme Task Force 2024 Meeting Minutes (17 January 2025)
by Fergal Cunningham 21 Feb '25

21 Feb '25

Dear all, The RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force held a meeting on 17 January and the minutes are now available at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha… The task force welcomes comments on the minutes, either on this list or you can mail them directly at: charging-scheme-task-force2024(a)ripe.net Best regards, Fergal Cunningham Head of Membership Engagement RIPE NCC

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Call for Volunteers for Executive Board Election Code of Conduct Team
by Ondřej Filip 22 Jan '25

22 Jan '25

Dear members, This is a call for volunteers from the membership to join the Executive Board Election Code of Conduct Team for the May 2025 General Meeting election. The Executive Board election of 2025 will be the fifth to have a Code of Conduct (CoC) for Executive Board Election candidates. This is separate from the RIPE NCC Code of Conduct and RIPE community CoC. This code only applies to confirmed candidates during the election process. The Executive Board Election Code of Conduct Team will evaluate reports of violations of the CoC and if a violation has occurred. The team for 2024 was made up of five volunteers and the Executive Board would like to express thanks to Cynthia Revström, Sebastian Becker, Nick Hilliard, Dr. Omid Mahdi Ebadati and Arnold Nipper who carried out this important work. The Executive Board would now like to ask for volunteers from the membership to be on the Executive Board Election Code of Conduct Team for the May 2025 election. The task of this team will be to evaluate any reports of violations of the election Code of Conduct by candidates. If the team confirms that a violation of the election Code of Conduct has taken place, disqualification of the candidate in question can take place. If you are willing to participate in this role, please send an email to: agm(a)ripe.net by *Wednesday 12 February 2025*. The Board will then appoint members of the team from the list of volunteers. Members should not volunteer if they expect to become candidates in the election. The Executive Board Election Code of Conduct can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/s/gm/may-2025/eb-election/coc/ Kind regards, Ondřej Filip RIPE NCC Executive Board Chair

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Charging Scheme Task Force 2024 Meeting Minutes (10 December 2024)
by Karla Liddle-White 15 Jan '25

15 Jan '25

Dear RIPE NCC members, The Charging Scheme Task Force held a meeting on 10 December 2024. The minutes from the meeting are now available at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha… The task force welcomes comments on the minutes, either on this list or you can email the task force directly at: charging-scheme-task-force2024(a)ripe.net The first task force meeting of 2025 will be held this week and we will keep you informed of the progress being made. Best regards, Karla Liddle-White Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Re: Charging Scheme Task Force 2024 Meeting Minutes (10 December 2024)
by sdy＠a-n-t.ru 15 Jan '25

15 Jan '25

Ok! Friends if you did it (moving to IPv6) please return IPv4 to RIPE. More people will be happy! Why not? > +1 > > -- > Kind regards > Sebastian Becker > > [T-Logo mit Schriftzug "Connecting your world."] > > The compulsory statement can be found here: > www.telekom.com/compulsory-statement<http://www.telekom.com/compulsory-statement> > > > Am 14.01.25, 08:55 schrieb "Gert Doering" <gert(a)space.net>: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 06:01:41AM +0300, > sdy(a)a-n-t.ru<mailto:sdy@a-n-t.ru> wrote: >> -- My decision IPV4 problem: > > This is the problem. Stop being obsessed with IPv4, move to IPv6. > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Ingo Lalla, > Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > > ----------------------------- Serbulov Dmitry ANT sdy(a)a-n-t.ru

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Charging Scheme Task Force 2024 Meeting Minutes (10 December 2024) - v6 and Legacy v4
by Brandon Butterworth 14 Jan '25

14 Jan '25

v6 categories. Is this not the time to go to a flat charge per holder regardless of size and avoid re creating the v4 problem. If v6 should follow v4 problems then the same category issues may arise. v4 legacy resources: A few things seem self evident 1. holders don't trust what might happen if they convert it 2. holders should not be put in peril if you want them to convert 3. once it is not legacy there is no going back unless the holder has not changed anything about it (ie they can roll back to escape unfavourable policy only). 4. when legacy changes hands then it should lose legacy status, triggers will include: if sold in some manner the controlling organisation changes and is no longer clearly part of the same org (with vagueness to cover gaming, RIPE decides). It has to remain in essentially the same legacy state or it is no longer legacy. Simplest is to just require legacy holders to be a member either for the legacy or any other space (so only one membership). brandon

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