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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] The Future of the RIPE Database Proxy Service
by Brandon Butterworth 14 Mar '13

14 Mar '13

> Nick has summarised this well, and I fall into the free-but-contract camp. Likewise, I did reply when he posted but the moderator chose to reject it brandon

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] The Future of the RIPE Database Proxy Service
by Sander Steffann 11 Mar '13

11 Mar '13

Hi, > Time to drop something which is only used by 4 people It is not only used by 4 people, it's used by 4 *services*. Basically the proxy service is the feature that a few services (those 4) can add a field to the request that specifies that they query the database on behalf of an end-user and they provide that end-user's IP address in the request so that the RIPE Whois server can apply rate limits to that end-user. To give an example: one of them is at http://www.geektools.com/whois.php. > some of whom aren't even members The RIPE NCC has a responsibility for all internet users, not only its own members... > It's already bad enough with a-n-other-supplier going down your ripe AS > membership list trying to flog cr@p to your clients, when said supplier is > an LIR, having every nut on the planet doing so is going to get very very > very tiresome and simply lead to people not putting anything in the RIPE-DB > in the first place (as most have already decided) The whole point of providing the on-behalf-of parameter in the query is to be able to avoid people harvesting the RIPE DB by applying rate limits... The only 'risk' is that the service providers would send in queries with fake client addresses to bypass the rate limits. That is the reason why people suggest letting them sign a contract. And since there are only a few users it's easy to kick them off when they would abuse the proxy feature. So removing the proxy feature (remember: just one query option to facilitate rate limiting) doesn't make any difference for what you describe... Cheers, Sander

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] The Future of the RIPE Database Proxy Service
by Nick Hilliard 11 Mar '13

11 Mar '13

On 11/03/2013 20:57, Rob Golding wrote: > Time to drop something which is only used by 4 people - some of whom aren't > even members I'm not clear how dropping the ripe proxy service would stop the sales trawling you described. Nick

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] The Future of the RIPE Database Proxy Service
by Sascha Lenz 10 Mar '13

10 Mar '13

Hi all, > Dear colleagues, > > Following the discussion about the RIPE Database Proxy Service, we have investigated several options for the future of the service. I'd like to first give you an overview of the issue at hand. A detailed analysis is provided below that for those of you who would like to see the finer details. [...] well i still don't see much need for the service i must admit, but if some people want to use it... I actually would prefer making this a member-only or paid-service, but after re-reading some parts of the discussion about the issue before, i guess the free-but-contract-based approach might be the most intelligent choice without upsetting those who use it and it seems to be without negative impact for the rest of the members. ==> Option 2a -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind Regards Sascha Lenz [SLZ-RIPE] Senior System- & Network Architect

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RIPE Database Proxy Service
by fg＠numlog.fr 09 Mar '13

09 Mar '13

Hello, As the proxy service benefits of higher query limits, restricting the use of this service to members only, looks the minimum limitation in order to fight against personal data mining. But my preference goes to option 3c : > Option 3c - Discontinue the RIPE Database Proxy Service and change the > default RIPE Database query not to show any personal data, and allow > personal data to be returned only when a special query flag with > limits is used. IMHO, it's not that frequent to need to access to personal data, except for spammers, so this solution is the better. Best regards, Francis

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Filtering issue in 128/8
by Bertrand MAUJEAN 08 Feb '13

08 Feb '13

Hello, We received an allocation starting at 128.127.128.0 a few years ago. It's quite pleasant for mnemonic reasons, but we face serious outgoing SMTP problems toward live.com services, since the day we installed the first SMTP server with one of theses addresses. Microsoft publish some recommendations (http://mail.live.com/mail/policies.aspx) but even following theses recommendations carefully we cannot solve our problem. We tried to contact MS directly, without any success (postmaster, hostmaster, contact in routing database, peering contact...), but they seems pretty autistic (either no answer or pointing us the already known web site). Tests have been conducted using IP address that did not send any packet for several years (cannot be listed as spammer). Problem is only for our block in 128/8 (we have a lot of other). This block is not as European as other (ARIN administered), but RIPE allocated to us from it. Does someone have similar issues with 128/8 ? Does someone know the good contact ? Thank you, Regards, Bertrand

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Re: [members-discuss] Filtering issue in 128/8
by Francois.Claire＠ses.com 07 Feb '13

07 Feb '13

Hi Bertrand, I might have a solution for you. Just send me a PM for details. Francois. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bertrand MAUJEAN [bmaujean(a)rmi.fr] Sent: 02/06/2013 05:05 PM GMT To: "members-discuss(a)ripe.net" <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Filtering issue in 128/8 Hello, We received an allocation starting at 128.127.128.0 a few years ago. It's quite pleasant for mnemonic reasons, but we face serious outgoing SMTP problems toward live.com services, since the day we installed the first SMTP server with one of theses addresses. Microsoft publish some recommendations (http://mail.live.com/mail/policies.aspx) but even following theses recommendations carefully we cannot solve our problem. We tried to contact MS directly, without any success (postmaster, hostmaster, contact in routing database, peering contact...), but they seems pretty autistic (either no answer or pointing us the already known web site). Tests have been conducted using IP address that did not send any packet for several years (cannot be listed as spammer). Problem is only for our block in 128/8 (we have a lot of other). This block is not as European as other (ARIN administered), but RIPE allocated to us from it. Does someone have similar issues with 128/8 ? Does someone know the good contact ? Thank you, Regards, Bertrand ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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From Good to Great - Wishing You All the Best in 2013!
by Maxim Usatov 08 Jan '13

08 Jan '13

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[ncc-announce] SEE 2/RIPE NCC Regional Meeting: Call for Presentations
by Serge Radovcic 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

Dear colleagues, Please find the Call for Papers (CfP) for the South East Europe (SEE) meeting below. Kind regards, Serge Radovcic RIPE NCC <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/regional-meetings/see-2/cfp> -------------------------------------------------------- SEE 2/RIPE NCC Regional Meeting: Call for Presentations -------------------------------------------------------- Are you an experienced network operator willing to share your expertise with your peers in South East Europe? Following the tremendous success of the inaugural South Eastern Europe (SEE)/RIPE NC Regional Meeting in 2011 in Dubrovnik, we are now planning to hold a follow-up meeting in the region, this time in Skopje, Macedonia. These regional meetings offer network engineers and other technical staff an opportunity to share their knowledge and experience, and to identify areas for regional cooperation. The meetings are open to anyone and there is no cost to attend. The purpose of the meeting is to: * Encourage the cooperation of operators in the region, enabling them to exchange information and discuss the issues that affect them * Enable the RIPE NCC to further support Local Internet Registries (LIRs) in the region. * Present the latest developments in the Internet industry. SEE 2 runs from 22-23 April 2013 in Skopje, Macedonia. The meeting agenda will consist of plenary sessions, tutorials, hands-on workshops as well as long coffee breaks, lunches, and evening social events with plenty of time for attendees to meet each other face-to-face. The SEE Programme Committee (PC) is currently looking for network operators and researchers in South East Europe who would like to teach a technical tutorial or lead a workshop and/or give a technical presentation during the conference. Submission topics include (but are not limited to): * IPv6 (in general) * BGP and routing * Network management and monitoring (BSS/OSS/NMS) * Internet exchanges * DNS/DNSSEC/IDN * Policy and regulatory aspects Presentation proposals can be submitted here: <http://papers.apia.org/paper/user/index.php?event=15> Conference Milestones * Call for Papers opens: 19 November 2012 * Deadline for first proposal: 21 January 2013 * Deadline for second proposal: 11 February 2013 * Final programme published: 1 April 2013 * Final slides: 15 April 2013 Please note that marketing/commercial content will not be considered. The presenter should come from a technical background rather than sales or marketing. A draft version of the presentation (PPT or PDF) must be submitted with the talk proposal. This draft version should outline the content flow of the talk and any key messages. -------------------------- Guidelines for Submissions -------------------------- When considering a presentation, workshop or tutorial, remember that the audience will mainly be comprised of technical network operators and engineers with varying levels of experience. Workshops/tutorials are 90-minutes long and should focus on teaching core skills and basic knowledge. Conference presentations should address issues that ISPs and network operators could face over the next 12-18 months in their day-to-day operations. Conference presenters should plan for a 20-minute presentation followed by a 5-minute Q&A period. ---------------------------------- Notification of Accepted Presentations ---------------------------------- The SEE 2 PC will confirm acceptance of your presentation proposal by 25 March 2013. Late submissions that are exceptionally timely or of critical operational importance will be considered on a case-by-case basis. Funding and Support SEE 2 is a not-for-profit event that aims to keep the cost of attending as low as possible. For this reason, SEE is unable to subsidise the cost of travel for speakers. If you have any queries or suggestions about the SEE 2/RIPE NCC Regional Meeting, please email: <seeurope(a)ripe.net >

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[ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Webinars - new dates
by Training Mailbox 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

[Apologies for duplicate e-mails] Dear colleagues, We are pleased to announce the launch of new dates for our Webinars for LIRs. The RIPE NCC Webinars are live, one hour online training courses that allow participants to interact with our trainers without leaving their desks. We focus on the topics and issues most important for LIRs. Register now at https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/training/e-learning/webinars Participation is limited to 20 people, so don't hesitate if you want to take part! If you have questions, please email <e-learning(a)ripe.net>. We look forward to seeing you online. Kind regards, RIPE NCC Training Services

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