Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- *Tim Armstrong*Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 <+31617544472>
And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks, Tim.
--
*Tim Armstrong*Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 <+31617544472>
-- *Tim Armstrong*Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 <+31617544472>
If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte < catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> wrote:
If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop.
*Catalin Dominte* Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group *Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <+44%201628%20200219>*
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On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com) wrote:
There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations
Comment added by : Tim Armstrong
Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks, Tim.
--
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CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472>
Stop spaming! Now! Keep me out of this stuff!!! __________________ Diese Nachricht wurde auf einem mobilen Ger?t erstellt Am 05.09.2017 um 10:54 schrieb R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>: CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON'T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. Mathias Peter [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public...] Freiburger Stra?e 19 79258 Hartheim Tel.: Fax.: eMail: MPeter@mathpeter.com Website: www.mathpeter.com ________________________________ Ab sofort f?r alle Kunden: Rechnungszahlung per SEPA Lastschrift. Nie wieder vergessene Rechnungen. Fordern Sie Ihr SEPA Mandat noch heute an. [https://www.mathpeter.com/sites/default/files/styles/asset_image_full/public...] Sie haben Fragen zum Thema SEPA Lastschriften? Sprechen Sie uns an, wir helfen Ihnen gerne! ________________________________ Die in dieser eMail und den dazugeh?rigen Anh?ngen (zusammen die Nachricht) enthaltenen Informationen sind nur f?r den Adressaten bestimmt und k?nnen vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie die Nachricht irrt?mlich erhalten haben, l?schen Sie die Nachricht bitte und benachrichtigen Sie den Absender, ohne die Nachricht zu kopieren oder zu verteilen oder ihren Inhalt an andere Personen weiterzugeben. Ausser bei Vorsatz oder grober Fahrl?ssigkeit schliessen wir jegliche Haftung f?r Verluste oder Sch?den aus, die durch virenbefallene Software oder eMails verursacht werden.
GET ME OUT OF THIS GROUP!!!!! I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!! Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Kind regards Kevin Beierstettel Network Engineer Communication Services & Solutions Phone: +49 70 346 430639 IBM Deutschland Aviation Industry Services GmbH Email: Kevin.Beierstettel@de.ibm.com Am Weiher 24 65451 Kelsterbach IBM Deutschland Aviation Industry Services GmbH / Geschäftsführung: Thomas Rittirsch, Claus Rohde Sitz der Gesellschaft: Kelsterbach / Registergericht: Amtsgericht Darmstadt, HRB 94232 From: Mathias Peter <MPeter@mathpeter.com> To: "R. van Laake" <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu> Cc: "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Date: 05.09.2017 11:04 Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Sent by: "members-discuss" <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Stop spaming! Now! Keep me out of this stuff!!! __________________ Diese Nachricht wurde auf einem mobilen Gerät erstellt Am 05.09.2017 um 10:54 schrieb R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>: CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN?T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON?T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte < catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. Mathias Peter Freiburger Straße 19 79258 Hartheim Tel.: Fax.: eMail: MPeter@mathpeter.com Website: www.mathpeter.com Ab sofort für alle Kunden: Rechnungszahlung per SEPA Lastschrift. Nie wieder vergessene Rechnungen. Fordern Sie Ihr SEPA Mandat noch heute an. Sie haben Fragen zum Thema SEPA Lastschriften? Sprechen Sie uns an, wir helfen Ihnen gerne! Die in dieser eMail und den dazugehörigen Anhängen (zusammen die Nachricht) enthaltenen Informationen sind nur für den Adressaten bestimmt und können vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen enthalten. Sollten Sie die Nachricht irrtümlich erhalten haben, löschen Sie die Nachricht bitte und benachrichtigen Sie den Absender, ohne die Nachricht zu kopieren oder zu verteilen oder ihren Inhalt an andere Personen weiterzugeben. Ausser bei Vorsatz oder grober Fahrlässigkeit schliessen wir jegliche Haftung für Verluste oder Schäden aus, die durch virenbefallene Software oder eMails verursacht werden. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Im starting to wonder if in this list are the correct people... To all of you that dont want to recieve emails, go to your profile account in the ripe lir portal and disable the subscription to the list. El 05/09/2017 a las 10:55, Mathias Peter escribió:
Stop spaming! Now! Keep me out of this stuff!!!
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Am 05.09.2017 um 10:54 schrieb R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu <mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>:
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.
I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Tim Armstrong *Sent:* dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 *To:* Catalin Dominte *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
I agree entirely.
Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote:
If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop.
*Catalin Dominte*
Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group
/Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <tel:+44%201628%20200219>/
The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953
On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote:
There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations
Comment added by : Tim Armstrong
Comment Content:
And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.
The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this?
At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks,
Tim.
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Same here. Thanks. Regards, David GABAY Purchasing and Asset Manager – IT Department Tel: +33 (0)1 60 72 45 14 - Mobile : +33 (0)6 88 35 08 37 Fax: +33 (0)1 60 74 55 00 - 01 Europe Campus - Boulevard de Constance 77305 Fontainebleau - France INSEAD - The Business School for the World® www.insead.edu<http://www.insead.edu/> [cid:image001.png@01D07B91.31D59660]<https://www.facebook.com/INSEAD.Executive.Education> [cid:image002.png@01D07B91.31D59660]<http://www.linkedin.com/company/insead-executive-education> [cid:image003.png@01D07B91.31D59660]<https://twitter.com/insead> [cid:image004.png@01D07B91.31D59660]<https://www.youtube.com/insead> [cid:image005.png@01D07B91.31D59660]<https://plus.google.com/+insead> [cid:8D518AB5-D6A0-4306-B561-822570964F62]<http://mba.insead.edu/home?marketingSource=DP_email_DPsignature2016> This message and any attachments (the 'message') is intended solely for the addressee(s) and is confidential. If you receive this message by mistake, please delete it and notify the sender at once. Any use not in accordance with its purpose, and/or any dissemination or disclosure, either whole or partial, is strictly prohibited except with formal approval. The Internet cannot guarantee the integrity of this message. INSEAD or the author shall and will not be liable for the message if modified. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. INSEAD accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. De : members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] De la part de R. van Laake Envoyé : mardi 5 septembre 2017 10:54 À : Tim Armstrong; Catalin Dominte Cc : members-discuss@ripe.net Objet : Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Me too please!!!!!! *From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *GABAY David *Sent:* Tuesday, September 5, 2017 11:56 AM *To:* R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; Tim Armstrong < t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Same here. Thanks. Regards, *David GABAY* Purchasing and Asset Manager – IT Department Tel: +33 (0)1 60 72 45 14 - Mobile : +33 (0)6 88 35 08 37 Fax: +33 (0)1 60 74 55 00 - 01 Europe Campus - Boulevard de Constance 77305 Fontainebleau - France INSEAD - The Business School for the World® www.insead.edu [image: cid:image001.png@01D07B91.31D59660] <https://www.facebook.com/INSEAD.Executive.Education> [image: cid:image002.png@01D07B91.31D59660] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/insead-executive-education> [image: cid:image003.png@01D07B91.31D59660] <https://twitter.com/insead> [image: cid:image004.png@01D07B91.31D59660] <https://www.youtube.com/insead> [image: cid:image005.png@01D07B91.31D59660] <https://plus.google.com/+insead> [image: cid:8D518AB5-D6A0-4306-B561-822570964F62] <http://mba.insead.edu/home?marketingSource=DP_email_DPsignature2016> This message and any attachments (the 'message') is intended solely for the addressee(s) and is confidential. 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I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION *From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *Tim Armstrong *Sent:* dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 *To:* Catalin Dominte *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte < catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. *Catalin Dominte* Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group *Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <+44%201628%20200219>* The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [image: Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.] *Tim Armstrong* Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [image: Image supprimée par l'expéditeur.] *Tim Armstrong*Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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PLEASE ! NOT ! AGAIN ! On 05.09.2017 10:58, Gadi Rapaport wrote:
Me too please!!!!!!
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *GABAY David *Sent:* Tuesday, September 5, 2017 11:56 AM *To:* R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu <mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
Same here.
Thanks.
Regards,
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*De :*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *De la part de* R. van Laake *Envoyé :* mardi 5 septembre 2017 10:54 *À :* Tim Armstrong; Catalin Dominte *Cc :* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> *Objet :* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.
I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Tim Armstrong *Sent:* dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 *To:* Catalin Dominte *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
I agree entirely.
Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote:
If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop.
*Catalin Dominte*
Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group
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On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote:
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Comment added by : Tim Armstrong
Comment Content:
And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.
The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this?
At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks,
Tim.
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+1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> > wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com> ) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> > wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- <https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download> Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- <https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download> Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- <https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download> Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 <tel:+31617544472>
Same here. Thank you. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 11:56 AM To: 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse +1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> >; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> > CC: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> > wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com> ) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> > wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- <https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download> Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- <https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download> Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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It’s quite simple.. This is at the bottom of all the mails I recieve from the list: If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. * Chano Andersen Fra: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> på vegne af EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com> Dato: tirsdag den 5. september 2017 kl. 10.56 Til: "'R. van Laake'" <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>, 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>, 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Emne: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse +1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Why should I do anything? I never set the checkboxt that I want to get this mails… In Germany it’s NOT ALLOWED to preset such checkboxes. SO PUT ME OUT OF THIS LIST! Von: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Chano Klinck Andersen Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. September 2017 10:59 An: EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez; 'R. van Laake'; 'Tim Armstrong'; 'Catalin Dominte' Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse It’s quite simple.. This is at the bottom of all the mails I recieve from the list: If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. * Chano Andersen Fra: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> på vegne af EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com> Dato: tirsdag den 5. september 2017 kl. 10.56 Til: "'R. van Laake'" <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>, 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>, 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Emne: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse +1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [Das Bild wurde vom Absender entfernt.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Then, you will recieve all of them until you unsubscribe from the list, and if i dont remember bad, the checkbox is UNCHECKED by default (or at least, it was). Please, stop spamming about unsubscribe from the list. El 05/09/2017 a las 11:08, Lutz Kleemann escribió:
Why should I do anything? I never set the checkboxt that I want to get this mails…
In Germany it’s NOT ALLOWED to preset such checkboxes. SO PUT ME OUT OF THIS LIST!
*Von:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *Im Auftrag von *Chano Klinck Andersen *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 5. September 2017 10:59 *An:* EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez; 'R. van Laake'; 'Tim Armstrong'; 'Catalin Dominte' *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Betreff:* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
It’s quite simple.. This is at the bottom of all the mails I recieve from the list:
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*Fra: *members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> på vegne af EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com> *Dato: *tirsdag den 5. september 2017 kl. 10.56 *Til: *"'R. van Laake'" <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>, 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>, 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> *Cc: *"members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Emne: *Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
+1 , I didnt add to this thread…
*De:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *En nombre de *R. van Laake *Enviado el:* martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 *Para:* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> *CC:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Asunto:* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.
I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Tim Armstrong *Sent:* dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 *To:* Catalin Dominte *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
I agree entirely.
Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote:
If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop.
*Catalin Dominte*
Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group
/Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <tel:+44%201628%20200219>/
The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953
On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote:
There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations
Comment added by : Tim Armstrong
Comment Content:
And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.
The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this?
At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks,
Tim.
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Hi Lutz & Raymond (and all others that want to get out of this list). Do you really think the thousands of members that receive your whining are able to help you with this issue? If ypu’re not able to remove yourself from the list contact *PLEASE* contact RIPE support, and stop spamming this list. Thank you.
On 5 Sep 2017, at 11:08, Lutz Kleemann <lutz.kleemann@meconet.de <mailto:lutz.kleemann@meconet.de>> wrote:
Why should I do anything? I never set the checkboxt that I want to get this mails…
In Germany it’s NOT ALLOWED to preset such checkboxes. SO PUT ME OUT OF THIS LIST!
Please take me off!!! Da: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Per conto di EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 10:56 A: 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Oggetto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse +1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Me too please !!! De : members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] De la part de Fabrizio Saro Envoyé : mardi 5 septembre 2017 11:21 À : EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc : members-discuss@ripe.net Objet : [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Please take me off!!! Da: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Per conto di EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 10:56 A: 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Oggetto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse +1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Please remove me from this list Thanks [cid:image001.png@01D2C077.EA771680] Izdehar Safarini Iraq E-Gate for Financial Services Chief Technology Officer +964 7810108004 +962 799031001 Izdehar.safarini@switch.com.iq<mailto:Izdehar.safarini@switch.com.iq> www.switch.com.iq<http://www.switch.com.iq/> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Loïc LAFHEJ Sent: Tuesday, 5 September, 2017 12:27 PM To: Fabrizio Saro <fabrizio.s@fluentis.com>; EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Me too please !!! De : members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] De la part de Fabrizio Saro Envoyé : mardi 5 septembre 2017 11:21 À : EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc : members-discuss@ripe.net Objet : [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Please take me off!!! Da: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Per conto di EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 10:56 A: 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Oggetto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse +1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Please remove me too christopher@flexnetwork.fr Cordialement, Christopher LEAL Directeur STD +33 (0)1 78 90 91 92 / 06 42 25 04 51 christopher.leal@flexnetwork.fr flexnetwork Technopole de Montmagny 26 rue des sablons 95360 Montmagny (France) Std +33(0)1 78 90 91 92 – Fax +33(0)1 78 90 91 99 ________________________________ De : members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> de la part de Izdehar Safarini <izdehar.safarini@switch.com.iq> Envoyé : mardi 5 septembre 2017 11:29:52 À : Loïc LAFHEJ; Fabrizio Saro; EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez; 'R. van Laake'; 'Tim Armstrong'; 'Catalin Dominte' Cc : members-discuss@ripe.net Objet : Re: [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Please remove me from this list Thanks [cid:image001.png@01D2C077.EA771680] Izdehar Safarini Iraq E-Gate for Financial Services Chief Technology Officer +964 7810108004 +962 799031001 Izdehar.safarini@switch.com.iq<mailto:Izdehar.safarini@switch.com.iq> www.switch.com.iq<http://www.switch.com.iq/> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Loïc LAFHEJ Sent: Tuesday, 5 September, 2017 12:27 PM To: Fabrizio Saro <fabrizio.s@fluentis.com>; EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Me too please !!! De : members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] De la part de Fabrizio Saro Envoyé : mardi 5 septembre 2017 11:21 À : EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc : members-discuss@ripe.net Objet : [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Please take me off!!! Da: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Per conto di EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 10:56 A: 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Oggetto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse +1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472>
Please remove me too Da: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Per conto di Izdehar Safarini Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 11:30 A: Loïc LAFHEJ; Fabrizio Saro; EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez; 'R. van Laake'; 'Tim Armstrong'; 'Catalin Dominte' Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Oggetto: Re: [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Please remove me from this list Thanks [cid:image001.png@01D2C077.EA771680] Izdehar Safarini Iraq E-Gate for Financial Services Chief Technology Officer +964 7810108004 +962 799031001 Izdehar.safarini@switch.com.iq<mailto:Izdehar.safarini@switch.com.iq> www.switch.com.iq<http://www.switch.com.iq/> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Loïc LAFHEJ Sent: Tuesday, 5 September, 2017 12:27 PM To: Fabrizio Saro <fabrizio.s@fluentis.com<mailto:fabrizio.s@fluentis.com>>; EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com<mailto:mriosfer@easydatahost.com>>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Me too please !!! De : members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] De la part de Fabrizio Saro Envoyé : mardi 5 septembre 2017 11:21 À : EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com<mailto:mriosfer@easydatahost.com>>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> Cc : members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Objet : [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Please take me off!!! Da: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Per conto di EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 10:56 A: 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Oggetto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse +1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472>
Please remove me from this list From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Izdehar Safarini Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 12:30 PM To: Loïc LAFHEJ <llafhej@yooth-it.com>; Fabrizio Saro <fabrizio.s@fluentis.com>; EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Please remove me from this list Thanks [cid:image001.png@01D2C077.EA771680] Izdehar Safarini Iraq E-Gate for Financial Services Chief Technology Officer +964 7810108004 +962 799031001 Izdehar.safarini@switch.com.iq<mailto:Izdehar.safarini@switch.com.iq> www.switch.com.iq<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.switch.com.iq%2F&data=02%7C01%7Crehan%40kuwaitairways.com%7C224b1f5502984ad3a92808d4f440c9f7%7C2d391c9cd4b14bd1a98fdc2ad53604e5%7C0%7C0%7C636402006492544871&sdata=uxUopGajQ65vwHUm84jPARVN4caC%2BpvCrnkDapl0Zhk%3D&reserved=0> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Loïc LAFHEJ Sent: Tuesday, 5 September, 2017 12:27 PM To: Fabrizio Saro <fabrizio.s@fluentis.com<mailto:fabrizio.s@fluentis.com>>; EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com<mailto:mriosfer@easydatahost.com>>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Me too please !!! De : members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] De la part de Fabrizio Saro Envoyé : mardi 5 septembre 2017 11:21 À : EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez <mriosfer@easydatahost.com<mailto:mriosfer@easydatahost.com>>; 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> Cc : members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Objet : [members-discuss] R: New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Please take me off!!! Da: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Per conto di EDH - Manuel Rios Fernandez Inviato: martedì 5 settembre 2017 10:56 A: 'R. van Laake' <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu<mailto:r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>>; 'Tim Armstrong' <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; 'Catalin Dominte' <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Oggetto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse +1 , I didnt add to this thread… De: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] En nombre de R. van Laake Enviado el: martes, 5 de septiembre de 2017 10:54 Para: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [Image removed by sender.] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flirportal.ripe.net%2Fgeneral%2F&data=02%7C01%7Crehan%40kuwaitairways.com%7C224b1f5502984ad3a92808d4f440c9f7%7C2d391c9cd4b14bd1a98fdc2ad53604e5%7C0%7C0%7C636402006492544871&sdata=2un%2FSYPP5HJLYPbure0Vtrcy0hkfR%2BnVkG1kkruAugQ%3D&reserved=0> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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Same for me ! [wx-bleu][www-petit] Sébastien Audriaz Commercial Director Wifx Sàrl Rue des Petits Champs 15 1400 Yverdon-les-Bains Tél : +41 24 550 01 70 Dir : +41 24 550 01 74 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. De : members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] De la part de R. van Laake Envoyé : mardi 5 septembre 2017 10:54 À : Tim Armstrong; Catalin Dominte Cc : members-discuss@ripe.net Objet : Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72<tel:+31617544472>
Then may I suggest rather than adding to the ‘spam’, you send a direct email to RIPE to ask to be taken off? From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Info Witecom Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 9:56 AM To: R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Same for me ! [wx-bleu][www-petit] Sébastien Audriaz Commercial Director Wifx Sàrl Rue des Petits Champs 15 1400 Yverdon-les-Bains Tél : +41 24 550 01 70 Dir : +41 24 550 01 74 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. De : members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] De la part de R. van Laake Envoyé : mardi 5 septembre 2017 10:54 À : Tim Armstrong; Catalin Dominte Cc : members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Objet : Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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On 2017-09-05, at 11:54, R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu> wrote:
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.
I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION
From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
I agree entirely.
Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop.
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On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote:
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Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks, Tim.
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Same here! Thanks! Kind regards SVEN FORELL CTO ITM systems GmbH & Co. KG Hauptstraße 43 48712 Gescher Fon +49 (2542) 917 918 0 Fax +49 (2542) 917 918 99 https://www.itm-systems.com<https://www.itm-systems.com/> [E-Mail Signatur Business Day 0517 L04]<http://www.business-solution-day.de/> Wichtig: Wir sind in die Innenstadt gezogen. Besucher und Post empfangen wir ab sofort unter folgender Adresse: Hauptstraße 43, 48712 Gescher. Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft - Firmensitz Gescher, Handelsregister Amtsgericht Coesfeld HR A 6244, Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: ITM systems Verwaltungsgesellschaft mbH - Firmensitz Gescher, Handelsregister Amtsgericht Coesfeld HR B 11500, Geschäftsführer / Managing director: André Lensing, Markus Lammerding, USt-IdNr. / VAT-ID-number DE 262 889 524 Besuchen Sie uns bei Facebook http://www.facebook.com/itmsystems Von: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von R. van Laake Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. September 2017 10:54 An: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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If you have received this email in error or think you may have done so, you may not peruse, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message. Please notify the sender immediately and delete the original e-mail from your system. Consider the environment before printing this email From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Forell, Sven Sent: 05 September 2017 09:58 To: R. van Laake <r.vanlaake@codelogic.eu>; Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Same here! Thanks! Kind regards SVEN FORELL CTO ITM systems GmbH & Co. KG Hauptstraße 43 48712 Gescher Fon +49 (2542) 917 918 0 Fax +49 (2542) 917 918 99 <https://www.itm-systems.com/> https://www.itm-systems.com <http://www.business-solution-day.de/> Wichtig: Wir sind in die Innenstadt gezogen. Besucher und Post empfangen wir ab sofort unter folgender Adresse: Hauptstraße 43, 48712 Gescher. Rechtsform: Kommanditgesellschaft - Firmensitz Gescher, Handelsregister Amtsgericht Coesfeld HR A 6244, Persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: ITM systems Verwaltungsgesellschaft mbH - Firmensitz Gescher, Handelsregister Amtsgericht Coesfeld HR B 11500, Geschäftsführer / Managing director: André Lensing, Markus Lammerding, USt-IdNr. / VAT-ID-number DE 262 889 524 Besuchen Sie uns bei Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/itmsystems> http://www.facebook.com/itmsystems Von: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von R. van Laake Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. September 2017 10:54 An: Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> >; Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> > Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> > wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com> ) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> > wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- <https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download> Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- <https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download> Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 To: Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST. I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION El 05/09/2017 a las 10:54, R. van Laake escribió:
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS RECIPIENTS LIST.
I DIDN’T ASK FOR IT, I HAVE WORK TO DO AND DON’T NEED THIS DISTRACTION
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Tim Armstrong *Sent:* dinsdag 5 september 2017 10:52 *To:* Catalin Dominte *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
I agree entirely.
Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote:
If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop.
*Catalin Dominte*
Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group
/Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <tel:+44%201628%20200219>/
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On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote:
There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations
Comment added by : Tim Armstrong
Comment Content:
And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.
The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this?
At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks,
Tim.
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How does the RIPE DB and its current protections (or lack of them) work within the framework of GDPR? If individual employees contact details are being readily exposed then that could be a serious problem for both us as a LIR and for RIPE. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> Date: Tuesday 5 September 2017 at 09:52 To: Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> Cc: "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse I agree entirely. Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk<mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote: If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there. My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop. Catalin Dominte Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219<tel:+44%201628%20200219> The above information is confidential to the addressee and may be privileged. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and therefore this company does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Paragon Internet Group Ltd is registered in England and Wales, Company No.07573953 On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com<mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote: There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations Comment added by : Tim Armstrong Comment Content: And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies! On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote: Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 -- [https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download] Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 6372:154148 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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If individual employees contact details are being readily exposed
Only if you have entered them in the RIPE DB on objects. (fx. person, abuse, update etc.) On 9/5/2017 13:40, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
How does the RIPE DB and its current protections (or lack of them) work within the framework of GDPR?
If individual employees contact details are being readily exposed then that could be a serious problem for both us as a LIR and for RIPE.
Regards
Michele
--
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Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
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*From: *members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> *Date: *Tuesday 5 September 2017 at 09:52 *To: *Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> *Cc: *"members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject: *Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
I agree entirely.
Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote:
If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop.
*Catalin Dominte*
Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group
/Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <tel:+44%201628%20200219>/
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On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote:
There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations
Comment added by : Tim Armstrong
Comment Content:
And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.
The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this?
At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks,
Tim.
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Dear all, The RIPE NCC is currently in the process of evaluating our services and procedures in compliance with the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). This includes the personal data in the RIPE Database. Once our evaluation is concluded, we will communicate our findings and any potential amendments to our current procedures that are needed in line with the new legislation. Thank you, Athina Fragkouli Head of Legal RIPE NCC On 05/09/2017 13:40, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
How does the RIPE DB and its current protections (or lack of them) work within the framework of GDPR?
If individual employees contact details are being readily exposed then that could be a serious problem for both us as a LIR and for RIPE.
Regards
Michele
--
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Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
-------------------------------
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Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
*From: *members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> *Date: *Tuesday 5 September 2017 at 09:52 *To: *Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> *Cc: *"members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject: *Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
I agree entirely.
Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote:
If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop.
*Catalin Dominte*
Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group
/Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <tel:+44%201628%20200219>/
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On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote:
There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations
Comment added by : Tim Armstrong
Comment Content:
And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.
The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this?
At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks,
Tim.
--
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Thanks a lot for your update Regards, Eng.Ahmad Abdul Rahim S.A Department System Administrator Tel.1808888-380 Qualitynet general Trading Co. ________________________________________ From: members-discuss [members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] on behalf of Athina Fragkouli [athina.fragkouli@ripe.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 6:15 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Tim Armstrong; Catalin Dominte Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse Dear all, The RIPE NCC is currently in the process of evaluating our services and procedures in compliance with the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). This includes the personal data in the RIPE Database. Once our evaluation is concluded, we will communicate our findings and any potential amendments to our current procedures that are needed in line with the new legislation. Thank you, Athina Fragkouli Head of Legal RIPE NCC On 05/09/2017 13:40, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
How does the RIPE DB and its current protections (or lack of them) work within the framework of GDPR?
If individual employees contact details are being readily exposed then that could be a serious problem for both us as a LIR and for RIPE.
Regards
Michele
--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
-------------------------------
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Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
*From: *members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> *Date: *Tuesday 5 September 2017 at 09:52 *To: *Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk> *Cc: *"members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject: *Re: [members-discuss] New comment - [#6372] Database Abuse
I agree entirely.
Yes the list of sales contact ones are quite funny.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Catalin Dominte <catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk <mailto:catalin.dominte@paragon.net.uk>> wrote:
If RIPE decide to use forms (mainly for abuse reporting), that would be great. Actual email addresses for peering purposes can be gleaned from PeeringDB if one has an account there.
My recent favourite email I get on the ripe addresses is if I am interested in a list of brand new contacts for C level management from various industries. Reported them all as spam, but they never stop.
*Catalin Dominte*
Network Manager | Paragon Internet Group
/Office: +44 (0)1628 200 219 <tel:+44%201628%20200219>/
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On 5 September 2017 at 09:40:56, Telecoms (telco@intrinsec.com <mailto:telco@intrinsec.com>) wrote:
There is a new comment in the ticket submitted by Tim Armstrong to Cloud Temple - Cloud Operations
Comment added by : Tim Armstrong
Comment Content:
And while we are at it, perhaps we could do something about all the freaking Bots on this mailing list? I just got eight auto-replies!
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem.
Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott.
The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this?
At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks,
Tim.
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Hi I think the only thing one can do is increase technical difficulty for mass gathering DB personal emails. For personal contact...I mean we are at social network age, if someone really wants to contact you, they always can. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 17:36 Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks, Tim.
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Of course there are ways around every system, but at least finding my social media contacts requires effort. Perhaps this is something for one of the RIPE Hackathons. I recognise the need for automated crawling (automatic abuse notice from honeypots), but we need to do something. On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Lu Heng <h.lu@outsideheaven.com> wrote:
Hi
I think the only thing one can do is increase technical difficulty for mass gathering DB personal emails.
For personal contact...I mean we are at social network age, if someone really wants to contact you, they always can.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 17:36 Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks, Tim.
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Lu, I am surprised that you decided to comment on the list on this subject. Also surprised that David (your colleague - my ex-colleague) is mass mailing. If an ex-NCC employee uses the RIPE Database for mass mailing, even though he should know better, I believe there is no fix to this problem. Cogent spams every new holder of IPs, they have been doing it for years and nobody does anything about it... I wonder if the RIPE NCC has ever done anything to the cases reported so far, maybe it's time the RIPE NCC comes with some clear examples of how the RIPE DB abusers get punished. Otherwise, 20-50 spams daily + 2-5 offers from Cogent + e-mails from dozens of wannabe IP brokers is what every new member has to get used to. elvis Excuse the briefness of this mail, it was sent from a mobile device.
On Sep 5, 2017, at 01:40, Lu Heng <h.lu@outsideheaven.com> wrote:
Hi
I think the only thing one can do is increase technical difficulty for mass gathering DB personal emails.
For personal contact...I mean we are at social network age, if someone really wants to contact you, they always can.
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 17:36 Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> wrote: Hi all,
Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries.
We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming.
I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads".
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
Thanks, Tim.
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Hello, The “delete” key works well for me. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tim Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 10:36 AM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] Database Abuse Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- <https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download> Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 <tel:+31617544472>
* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations. And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well. Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes. -- -o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (www.monsternett.no) /\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN, NORWAY _\_v Phone: (+47) 69701802 | Fax: (+47) 69701801
Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything. Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access. On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no> wrote:
* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.
And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.
Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.
-- -o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (www.monsternett.no) /\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN, NORWAY _\_v Phone: (+47) 69701802 | Fax: (+47) 69701801
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On 07/09/17 09:17, Tim Armstrong wrote:
Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything. Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access.
Well, that's where you're not thinking globally though. Not every tech, that has need for the information in the RIPEdb, is automatically a RIPE member. They could be operating using other provider IPs or a member of ARIN/APNIC/AfriNIC for example. Kind regards, Martin List-Petersen Airwire Ltd.
On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no> wrote:
* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.
And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.
Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.
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I don't think it's too much to ask them to sign up, but perhaps there is some way to allow them to login and view the full DB with credentials from their own RIR? On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Martin List-Petersen <martin@airwire.ie> wrote:
On 07/09/17 09:17, Tim Armstrong wrote:
Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything. Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access.
Well, that's where you're not thinking globally though.
Not every tech, that has need for the information in the RIPEdb, is automatically a RIPE member. They could be operating using other provider IPs or a member of ARIN/APNIC/AfriNIC for example.
Kind regards, Martin List-Petersen Airwire Ltd.
On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no> wrote:
* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing
structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.
And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.
Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.
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On 07/09/17 10:26, Tim Armstrong wrote:
I don't think it's too much to ask them to sign up, but perhaps there is some way to allow them to login and view the full DB with credentials from their own RIR?
That would mean, that the other RIRs have to disclose credentials, give access or develop an API together. Even now, the DB systems and their output can differ quite a bit. I don't disagree, that information, like the email-address shouldn't just be easily available to scrape for mass mailing. In the case of a few country domain registries, it's been done by no displaying the email information via whois or in the complete DB download and the information only being available when querying the data via web after bot-check etc., which would be quite discouraging, as you'd have to sit and query each and every record manually. The problem you run into then, is that somebody that really wants to spam you just would hire some cheap labour (India etc.) to retrieve the data though. Kind regards, Martin List-Petersen Airwire Ltd.
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Martin List-Petersen <martin@airwire.ie> wrote:
On 07/09/17 09:17, Tim Armstrong wrote:
Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything. Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access.
Well, that's where you're not thinking globally though.
Not every tech, that has need for the information in the RIPEdb, is automatically a RIPE member. They could be operating using other provider IPs or a member of ARIN/APNIC/AfriNIC for example.
Kind regards, Martin List-Petersen Airwire Ltd.
On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no> wrote:
* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing
structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.
And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.
Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.
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At least then it would cost them something, currently it doesn't really cost them any effort, time, or money. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Martin List-Petersen <martin@airwire.ie> wrote:
On 07/09/17 10:26, Tim Armstrong wrote:
I don't think it's too much to ask them to sign up, but perhaps there is some way to allow them to login and view the full DB with credentials from their own RIR?
That would mean, that the other RIRs have to disclose credentials, give access or develop an API together.
Even now, the DB systems and their output can differ quite a bit.
I don't disagree, that information, like the email-address shouldn't just be easily available to scrape for mass mailing.
In the case of a few country domain registries, it's been done by no displaying the email information via whois or in the complete DB download and the information only being available when querying the data via web after bot-check etc., which would be quite discouraging, as you'd have to sit and query each and every record manually.
The problem you run into then, is that somebody that really wants to spam you just would hire some cheap labour (India etc.) to retrieve the data though.
Kind regards, Martin List-Petersen Airwire Ltd.
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Martin List-Petersen <martin@airwire.ie> wrote:
On 07/09/17 09:17, Tim Armstrong wrote:
Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact
attached to an LIR then you can see everything. Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access.
Well, that's where you're not thinking globally though.
Not every tech, that has need for the information in the RIPEdb, is automatically a RIPE member. They could be operating using other provider IPs or a member of ARIN/APNIC/AfriNIC for example.
Kind regards, Martin List-Petersen Airwire Ltd.
On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no> wrote:
* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing
structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.
And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.
Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.
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Good day, I’m all for administrative actions to LIR members (usually guys who are involved in ipv4 transfers) who are found guilty of using the DB with commercial goals. Closing the LIR might be the appropriate (yet quite aggressive one) action for them. Comments? -- Alex Lobachov Telenet, sia Network Systems Engineer LinkedIn: https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll E-mail: alxl@telenet.lv Skype: alxl__ Direct office: +371 67886224 Office: +371 67711111 From: Tim Armstrong Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM To: Vegard Svanberg Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything. Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access. On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no> wrote: * Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations. And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well. Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes. -- -o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (www.monsternett.no) /\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN, NORWAY _\_v Phone: (+47) 69701802 | Fax: (+47) 69701801 ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hello, Just my opinion, why can’t the LIR be closed listing just the name and RIPE implement a form to contact the relevant contact. be soon easy to see who is abusing it.? No data shared by third parties that way, unless they go through real pain! Regads Ben Wragg MBCS | Group Technical Coordinator Bright Orange Outsourcing Ltd T: 01482 900 909 M: Water’s Edge Country Park, Maltkin Road, Barton upon Humber, North Lincolnshire, DN18 5JR W: www.brightorange.co.uk<http://www.brightorange.co.uk/> [cid:image001.png@01D327D1.7A600E80] The contents and all attachments associated with this email are confidential and may be privileged. They are intended only for the named recipient and their dissemination, forwarding, publication or other use by any unauthorised person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. Bright Orange Outsourcing operates a strict virus checking system and makes every effort to ensure that email's and attachments are virus free. However, we do not accept any responsibility should a virus be spread through the opening of this message or any associated attachments. From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Alex Lobachov <alxl@telenet.lv> Organization: Telenet Date: Thursday, 7 September 2017 at 10:23 To: "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse Good day, I’m all for administrative actions to LIR members (usually guys who are involved in ipv4 transfers) who are found guilty of using the DB with commercial goals. Closing the LIR might be the appropriate (yet quite aggressive one) action for them. Comments? -- Alex Lobachov Telenet, sia Network Systems Engineer LinkedIn: https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll E-mail: alxl@telenet.lv Skype: alxl__ Direct office: +371 67886224 Office: +371 67711111 From: Tim Armstrong<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM To: Vegard Svanberg<mailto:vegard@monsternett.no> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything. Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access. On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no<mailto:vegard@monsternett.no>> wrote: * Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations. And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well. Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes. -- -o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (www.monsternett.no<http://www.monsternett.no>) /\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN, NORWAY _\_v Phone: (+47) 69701802<tel:%28%2B47%29%2069701802> | Fax: (+47) 69701801<tel:%28%2B47%29%2069701801> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hello Alex, As a broker, LIR, and contact for some address blocks in RIPE and ARIN, I receive these solicitations as well, and it is particularly bothersome getting solicited from other brokers who should know better. I would support administrative action against LIRs or registered brokers at RIPE who abuse the DB, but what if these people are buying a list of email addresses which they are not aware was scraped from the DB? Would that offer some defense? Regards, Mike Burns From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Lobachov Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 5:24 AM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse Good day, I’m all for administrative actions to LIR members (usually guys who are involved in ipv4 transfers) who are found guilty of using the DB with commercial goals. Closing the LIR might be the appropriate (yet quite aggressive one) action for them. Comments? -- Alex Lobachov Telenet, sia Network Systems Engineer LinkedIn: https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll E-mail: alxl@telenet.lv <mailto:alxl@telenet.lv> Skype: alxl__ Direct office: +371 67886224 Office: +371 67711111 From: Tim Armstrong <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM To: Vegard Svanberg <mailto:vegard@monsternett.no> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything. Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access. On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no <mailto:vegard@monsternett.no> > wrote: * Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> > [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations. And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well. Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes. -- -o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (www.monsternett.no <http://www.monsternett.no> ) /\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN, NORWAY _\_v Phone: (+47) 69701802 <tel:%28%2B47%29%2069701802> | Fax: (+47) 69701801 <tel:%28%2B47%29%2069701801> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. _____ ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hi Mike, I think asking if such a list comes from scraping the DB should be part of a brokers due diligence, should it not? If for nothing else than as a matter of civility towards those you are contacting. Regards, Tim. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com> wrote:
Hello Alex,
As a broker, LIR, and contact for some address blocks in RIPE and ARIN, I receive these solicitations as well, and it is particularly bothersome getting solicited from other brokers who should know better.
I would support administrative action against LIRs or registered brokers at RIPE who abuse the DB, but what if these people are buying a list of email addresses which they are not aware was scraped from the DB? Would that offer some defense?
Regards,
Mike Burns
*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Alex Lobachov *Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 5:24 AM *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net
*Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse
Good day,
I’m all for administrative actions to LIR members (usually guys who are involved in ipv4 transfers) who are found guilty of using the DB with commercial goals.
Closing the LIR might be the appropriate (yet quite aggressive one) action for them.
Comments?
-- Alex Lobachov Telenet, sia Network Systems Engineer LinkedIn: https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll E-mail: alxl@telenet.lv Skype: alxl__ Direct office: +371 67886224 <+371%2067%20886%20224> Office: +371 67711111 <+371%2067%20711%20111>
*From:* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM
*To:* Vegard Svanberg <vegard@monsternett.no>
*Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net
*Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse
Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything.
Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it.
Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access.
On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no> wrote:
* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.
And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.
Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.
-- -o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (www.monsternett.no) /\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN, NORWAY _\_v Phone: (+47) 69701802 | Fax: (+47) 69701801
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Hi Tim, I agree, although the answer to that question from purveyors of mailing lists might not be accurate. The broker bears responsibility and there should be some action. Regards, Mike From: Tim Armstrong [mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 10:17 AM To: Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com> Cc: Alex Lobachov <alxl@telenet.lv>; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse Hi Mike, I think asking if such a list comes from scraping the DB should be part of a brokers due diligence, should it not? If for nothing else than as a matter of civility towards those you are contacting. Regards, Tim. On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com <mailto:mike@iptrading.com> > wrote: Hello Alex, As a broker, LIR, and contact for some address blocks in RIPE and ARIN, I receive these solicitations as well, and it is particularly bothersome getting solicited from other brokers who should know better. I would support administrative action against LIRs or registered brokers at RIPE who abuse the DB, but what if these people are buying a list of email addresses which they are not aware was scraped from the DB? Would that offer some defense? Regards, Mike Burns From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> ] On Behalf Of Alex Lobachov Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 5:24 AM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse Good day, I’m all for administrative actions to LIR members (usually guys who are involved in ipv4 transfers) who are found guilty of using the DB with commercial goals. Closing the LIR might be the appropriate (yet quite aggressive one) action for them. Comments? -- Alex Lobachov Telenet, sia Network Systems Engineer LinkedIn: https://lv.linkedin.com/in/allxll E-mail: alxl@telenet.lv <mailto:alxl@telenet.lv> Skype: alxl__ Direct office: +371 67886224 <tel:+371%2067%20886%20224> Office: +371 67711111 <tel:+371%2067%20711%20111> From: Tim Armstrong <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM To: Vegard Svanberg <mailto:vegard@monsternett.no> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything. Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it. Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access. On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no <mailto:vegard@monsternett.no> > wrote: * Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com <mailto:t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> > [2017-09-05 10:36]:
I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations. And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well. Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the problem is big enough to warrant any major changes. -- -o) Vegard Svanberg, MD - Monsternett (www.monsternett.no <http://www.monsternett.no> ) /\\ Violgata 3A, N-1776 HALDEN, NORWAY _\_v Phone: (+47) 69701802 <tel:%28%2B47%29%2069701802> | Fax: (+47) 69701801 <tel:%28%2B47%29%2069701801> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. _____ ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- <https://drive.google.com/a/nerdalize.com/uc?id=0B0EM3I3SZxdsdnBncG41WkNSeWp2V3I5Q0NubGVOaUxFNWx3&export=download> Tim Armstrong Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 <tel:+31617544472>
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