On 07/09/17 10:26, Tim Armstrong wrote:

I don't think it's too much to ask them to sign up, but perhaps there is
some way to allow them to login and view the full DB with credentials from
their own RIR?

That would mean, that the other RIRs have to disclose credentials, give access or develop an API together.

Even now, the DB systems and their output can differ quite a bit.

I don't disagree, that information, like the email-address shouldn't just be easily available to scrape for mass mailing.

In the case of a few country domain registries, it's been done by no displaying the email information via whois or in the complete DB download and the information only being available when querying the data via web after bot-check etc., which would be quite discouraging, as you'd have to sit and query each and every record manually.

The problem you run into then, is that somebody that really wants to spam you just would hire some cheap labour (India etc.) to retrieve the data though.

Kind regards,
Martin List-Petersen
Airwire Ltd.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Martin List-Petersen <martin@airwire.ie>
wrote:

On 07/09/17 09:17, Tim Armstrong wrote:

Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact
attached to an LIR then you can see everything.
Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it.
Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for
access.

Well, that's where you're not thinking globally though.

Not every tech, that has need for the information in the RIPEdb, is
automatically a RIPE member. They could be operating using other provider
IPs or a member of ARIN/APNIC/AfriNIC for example.

Kind regards,
Martin List-Petersen
Airwire Ltd.

On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard@monsternett.no> wrote:

* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong@nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:

I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing

structural we can do about this?
At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB,
instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC
website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse /
complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.

I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I
have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this
through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the
idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback
loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational
consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and
maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.

And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with
phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.

Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response
anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be
a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database
dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate
against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the
problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.

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