Dear colleagues! Just a few thoughts. I have - 7 x IPv4 /22 PA - 1 x IPv4 /24 PA - 4 ASNs which is equivalent to 29 x IPv4 /24. Therefore I am not a very small LIR, but between small and medium sized. As very small LIR I would consider a LIR with less than a IPv4 /22 equivalent. With Option B, the Category Model, I will pay €2,567. With Option A, the One LIR Account-One Fee Model, I will pay €2,044. Before redistribution: In 2022 I paid €1,400. In 2023 I paid €1,550. In 2025 I paid €2,000. In three years, the fees raised by 43% (2022-2025). If option B is selected, the fees raised totally by 83% in five years (2022-2027). Even if option A is selected, we have a total change of 46% in five years (2022-2027). While it is my opinion, that a very small LIR should pay less than me, the main concern here is that the costs of the RIPE NCC are just too high: How much shall I pay after the 2027-2031 period? Will I pay €5,000 then in 2032? Will very small LIRs then also pay €1,700 or so, so that the change (which first looked good for them) was useless, especially since it is likely that they received resources in the meantime? The RIPE NCC may still forget that this may cause many LIRs to sell their resources to large companies. Thanks for your time. --Kayo
Am Donnerstag, 23. April 2026, 16:43:20 UTC+00:00:01 schrieb Akayo:
which is equivalent to 29 x IPv4 /24. ...aequivalent of around 29k USD per year if you would rent it out (or had to rent it on the current market).
The RIPE NCC may still forget that this may cause many LIRs to sell their resources to large companies. ...or making it cheaper and so more affordable for smaller ones waiting for own ressources.
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Hell Akayo, You’re spot on and I could’t agree more! It’s getting more and more insane while the whole industry and the business is melting. It’s all just about allocations for the big cloud providers. Maybe we also need to unite to become virtually big and reconsider the idea of sponsoring LRI in that case. — Cheers, Wolfgang ______________________________________________________________________________________________ Wolfgang Riedel | Distinguished Engineer | CCIE #13804 | VCP #42559 On 23. Apr 2026, at 16:43, Akayo <ripe@akayo.eu> wrote: Dear colleagues! Just a few thoughts. I have - 7 x IPv4 /22 PA - 1 x IPv4 /24 PA - 4 ASNs which is equivalent to 29 x IPv4 /24. Therefore I am not a very small LIR, but between small and medium sized. As very small LIR I would consider a LIR with less than a IPv4 /22 equivalent. With Option B, the Category Model, I will pay €2,567. With Option A, the One LIR Account-One Fee Model, I will pay €2,044. Before redistribution: In 2022 I paid €1,400. In 2023 I paid €1,550. In 2025 I paid €2,000. In three years, the fees raised by 43% (2022-2025). If option B is selected, the fees raised totally by 83% in five years (2022-2027). Even if option A is selected, we have a total change of 46% in five years (2022-2027). While it is my opinion, that a very small LIR should pay less than me, the main concern here is that the costs of the RIPE NCC are just too high: How much shall I pay after the 2027-2031 period? Will I pay €5,000 then in 2032? Will very small LIRs then also pay €1,700 or so, so that the change (which first looked good for them) was useless, especially since it is likely that they received resources in the meantime? The RIPE NCC may still forget that this may cause many LIRs to sell their resources to large companies. Thanks for your time. --Kayo To unsubscribe or manage your subscription, log in to the LIR Portal with your RIPE NCC Access account and go to the LIR Account page: https://my.ripe.net/#/account-details. Scroll down to Membership Mailing Lists to update your 'members-discuss' subscription. Having issues unsubscribing? More information about managing your subscription can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/s/members-discuss-subscription-options/
Yes, this discussion is missing one absolutely key point: why the hell are the total fees so high? Why does RIPE need so much money? RIPE’s role today is much more limited than it used to be. IPv4 has already been handed out — often based on made-up addressing plans — so why does RIPE today need the same, or even more, money than it did 10 years ago? IPv6 is “infinite”. What are so many people and so much money needed for — just to click through IPv4 transfers? Let’s have a serious discussion: why are RIPE fees several times higher than, for example, ARIN’s, and why does RIPE need more than one fifth of its current headcount at all? ------ Původní zpráva ------ Od "Emanuele Roserba (Tinext) via members-discuss" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Komu "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Datum 23.04.2026 17:43:01 Předmět [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced
Completely agree. the discussion is focusing on the charging scheme, but to me the real culprit is that RIPE budget has exploded over the years, and only a small percentage of it comes back in the form of the core services that are supposed to represent the organization's mission.
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-----Original Message----- From: Akayo <ripe@akayo.eu> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2026 4:43 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced
Dear colleagues!
Just a few thoughts. I have
- 7 x IPv4 /22 PA - 1 x IPv4 /24 PA - 4 ASNs
which is equivalent to 29 x IPv4 /24. Therefore I am not a very small LIR, but between small and medium sized. As very small LIR I would consider a LIR with less than a IPv4 /22 equivalent.
With Option B, the Category Model, I will pay €2,567. With Option A, the One LIR Account-One Fee Model, I will pay €2,044.
Before redistribution: In 2022 I paid €1,400. In 2023 I paid €1,550. In 2025 I paid €2,000.
In three years, the fees raised by 43% (2022-2025). If option B is selected, the fees raised totally by 83% in five years (2022-2027).
Even if option A is selected, we have a total change of 46% in five years (2022-2027).
While it is my opinion, that a very small LIR should pay less than me, the main concern here is that the costs of the RIPE NCC are just too high:
How much shall I pay after the 2027-2031 period? Will I pay €5,000 then in 2032? Will very small LIRs then also pay €1,700 or so, so that the change (which first looked good for them) was useless, especially since it is likely that they received resources in the meantime?
The RIPE NCC may still forget that this may cause many LIRs to sell their resources to large companies.
Thanks for your time.
--Kayo
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On 25 Apr 2026, at 13:34, Michal Krajčírovič via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> wrote: [..] Let’s have a serious discussion: why are RIPE fees several times higher than, for example, ARIN’s, and why does RIPE need more than one fifth of its current headcount at all?
Please do check the actual ARIN budget[1], how many people work there and how it is spent. Then check the RIPE budget[2], check the same. Then check how much members pay in ARIN and how much they would pay in RIPE for the 30k/year categories and which entities it are. Do you see those entities complain? Nope, as eh, it is more a waste of their time to discuss this than that number. Now you have done that, can you retract the above message? :) Also note that many of the larger resource holders where involved in the committee that came up with the proposal. Also, see the budget: we are getting soooooooooo much more from RIPE NCC for about the same amount of money that ARIN has (and charges to their members). Kudos to the awesome people at the RIPE NCC. Regards, Jeroen For your convience: [1] https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/planning/ [2] https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-850/ => https://www.ripe.net/documents/4184/ripe-850.pdf
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Akayo -
Emanuele Roserba (Tinext) -
Jeroen Massar -
Michal Krajčírovič -
Niels Dettenbach -
Wolfgang Riedel