Hi Alexandre,

That was not meant as any kind of disrespect, but was simply the result of autocorrection. I’m very sorry that I missed that. I think you are well aware that it was not meant to be rude or disrespectful. It certainly has nothing to do with my company.

I think the message from these people was very clear, and it became even clearer during the meeting.

I think you missed the point that a special group worked out these charging scheme options, and that maybe both are equally attractive, which is why the vote was so close. Votes are sometimes close with no overwhelming majority, and that is how democratic processes work. Look at most countries in Europe. And yes, sometimes compromise will not make everyone happy. Still, the decision has been made.

OK, so what are you complaining about? 

-- 
Kind regards

Sebastian Becker



Von: alexandre-ripe-ncc@lotharedon.org <alexandre-ripe-ncc@lotharedon.org>
Datum: Mittwoch, 27. Mai 2026 um 20:22
An: Becker, Sebastian <Sebastian-Becker@telekom.de>; members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net>
Betreff: Re: AW: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals - result announced.

Hi Sebastian,

 > Hi Alexandra,

Please, stay respecful to others by getting their name right and not
bending their gender. I'm pretty sure that's not how you would like to
represent your company.

> What is your message? Do you have any idea how the ‘large IPv4 owners’
> voted? I doubt it.

"large IPv4 pool owners, stating as obvious to keep a flat charging
scheme". Please, don't forget half of the sentence, a colon isn't a dot.
And to answer you, yes, I'm getting an idea from the messages they sent
on this mailing list. The large IPv4 owners which don't participate
here, or have different opinions, I can't say. But once again, I wasn't
talking about them.

> It's a democratic decision — that's how voting works. In fact, this
> means that both models work, and there was a slight majority for one of
> them. Those who did not vote have to automatically accept that.

Different words, same idea. Both obviously "work" for the RIPE NCC
budget else they wouldn't have been voting options. And both "work" for
different LIR profile, but none was attractive enough to make a large
member approbation.

> Adoption of IPv6 is even more prevalent on the service side nowadays.
> None of the ISPs can get rid of any IPv4 space unless they are also
> offering their services in IPv6. Nevertheless, projects are still
> starting out as IPv4-only. Do IPv6 first. Stop complaining about the
> IPv4 shortage.

As for this, thanks again for rewording my message. But I don't get
where you saw I was complaining about IPv4 shortage.

Regards,
Alexandre

>
> --
> Kind regards
>
> Sebastian Becker
>
>
>
> *Von: *Alexandre <alexandre-ripe-ncc@lotharedon.org>
> *Datum: *Mittwoch, 27. Mai 2026 um 09:17
> *An: *members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net>
> *Betreff: *[members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals -
> result announced.
>
> I'm really enjoying all of this messages from large IPv4 pool owners,
> stating as obvious to keep a flat charging scheme. But this vote tells
> an other story : having a 51/49% split means none of the proposed model
> was attractive enough to make a large member approbation. Stating
> otherwise would be very disrespectful toward the voting members.
>
> But please, don't fail to notice that all of this discussions about
> charging schemes are because many large service providers and ISP don't
> put enough work into their IPv6 adoption. As displayed during a previous
> RIPE meeting, small IPv4 operators have an higher IPv6 adoption rate
> than bigger ones. So if one doesn't want to fell disrespected again with
> new discussions about charging schemes, they know what they should do.
>
> Regards,
> Alexandre
>
> Le 26/05/2026 à 13:21, Brian Storey via members-discuss a écrit :
>  > Precisely.
>  >
>  > What is important now is for the result to be accepted and move on.
>  > Arriving at either of the options in the 2027 Charging Scheme Proposal
>  > was the culmination of a great deal of effort and refinement of recent
>  > previous attempts. It became THE Vote. The big one! Could this be the
>  > one where the category model finally wins? No.
>  >
>  > To be asked to vote again on this within the next few years should be
>  > considered disrespectful to the membership and the vote they hold. I
>  > strongly suspect that irrespective on which side of the coin you are,
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>  > *From:*Andy Davidson <Andy.Davidson@ask4.com>
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>  > *To:* Stephen Carter (Fujitsu) <stephen.carter2@fujitsu.com>; members-
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>  > *Subject:* [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals -
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>  > On 22 May 2026, at 13:20, Stephen Carter (Fujitsu) via members-discuss
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>  >> So, a member pays half of the flat fee and half of the category fee
>  >
>  >> – as I could see some members having a large increase in their
>  >
>  >> fees if 75% are better off – and that ‘jump’ may not be budgeted for.
>  >
>  > No.  The option B was the voting scheme with large jumps and it did not
>  > pass.
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>  > membership of equals, we should contribute equally and be treated
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