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Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
by Hank Nussbacher 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

At 16:05 13/07/2009 +0200, Axel Pawlik wrote: Can someone point me to the docs in regards to what happens to resources a LIR marks as "not my customer"? According to http://www.ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html on Dec 31, 2009 RIPE will consider those resources as orphans and contact the end users. What happens then? How long does the end user have to sign on with RIPE? At what point will RIPE revoke the allocations? Is there a doc on that entire procedure and timeline we can give customers? Regards, Hank >Dear Colleagues, > >The RIPE NCC has formulated a Draft Charging Scheme 2010 that will take >into account the requirements of policy proposal 2007-01, "Direct Internet >Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC", and the discussions >that took place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2009 regarding the >2010 Charging Scheme. > >The proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is now available to view at: >http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/draft-charging-scheme-2010.html > >Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can take >place at <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>. > >The RIPE NCC Executive Board will monitor discussion and input from the >RIPE NCC membership before publishing a final version of the Draft >Charging Scheme 2010 by 9 September 2009. The RIPE NCC membership will >vote on this version at the RIPE NCC General Meeting on 7 October 2009. > >The RIPE NCC notes that this proposal for the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 >is subject to change based on advice from the RIPE NCC's lawyers on tax >and legal issues. > >For more information, please see the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 FAQs: >http://www.ripe.net/info/faq/membership/charging-scheme.html > >Best regards, > >Axel Pawlik >Managing Director >RIPE NCC

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Abdullah Al-Batati is out of the office.
by Abdullah Al-Batati 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

I will be out of the office starting 07/17/2009 and will not return until 08/21/2009. I will respond to your message when I return. for urgent issue please contact Ahmad Issa. mobile No. 0504671056 email : ahissa(a)sbm.com.sa

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Charging scheme draft again
by Dmitry Kiselev 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Hello! Could anybody point me to discussion archive or any sorce, except charging-scheme-2010.pdf, where discussed my question: "Why PA allocation size and year of allocation takes into account while LIR's score calculation and, in the same time, PI assignment size and year of assignment does not?" Thanks for Your advices! -- Dmitry Kiselev

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Wouter De Clercq is afwezig.
by Wouter De Clercq 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Ik ben afwezig vanaf 17/07/2009 en ik ben niet eerder terug dan 10/08/2009. Voor dringende zaken kan u steeds terecht bij mijn collega's. Met vriendelijke groet, Wouter

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Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010
by Bernard Dugas 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

Hello, Thank you for this announcement, but i would need more informations to analyse and build my ideas : Axel Pawlik wrote: > discussions that took place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2009 > regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme. Please could anyone tell me where i can find a description of these discussions ? I have only found the presentation made at : http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2009/presentations/charging-scheme-… but no description of discussions around this presentation. > The proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is now available to view at: > http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/draft-charging-scheme-2010.html This Draft is showing us the "Percentage of Total Members per Billing Category" table, but to understand the ressource management and "the workload involved in providing the services", i would need to see a table showing us the number of ressources (AS, /19V4,...,/32V6) and TotalScoring per Billing categories. Would anybody from RIPE able to summarize and show such a table on the list ? > Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can > take place at <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>. My first try on this list, please apologize if any mistake. Thanks a lot, Best regards, -- __Bernard DUGAS ______________________________________________________ | IS Production s.a. Innovative Solutions | | Technoparc Pays de Gex bernard.dugas.2009(a)is-production.com | | 01633 ST GENIS POUILLY CEDEX - FRANCE - Mob.: +33 615 333 770 | | PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ! ATTENTION NOUVEL EMAIL ! | |______________________________________________________________________|

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RE: [members-discuss] Please remove my address
by Martin Bartz 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

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Re: [members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010
by Milyh Maxim Vadimovich 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

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Discuss Charging Scheme 2010
by Administrative contact Nurusheva_a 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

Dear Members-discuss. Please also remove my address on urgent basis -- Best Regards, Assel Nurusheva NIT JSC Cell +7 701 997 53 73 mailto:domain@nitec.kz

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Re: [members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010
by Sven Olaf Kamphuis 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

> Not every LIR is an ISP, a lot of them are. If you assign PI to somebody > else, you have a provider/enduser relationship. That makes you a service > provider of some sort. Be it internet, content or hosting. no, you dont. the customer usually asks to just register ip space and an AS number which he then announces himself to transits of -his- choice. if the customer happens to be in lets say russia it doesnt make much sense to have their network announced in amsterdam or germany now does it.. thats the whole point of PI space in the first place, its PROVIDER INDEPENDANT, from day 1. -- Sven Olaf Kamphuis CB3ROB DataServices Phone: +31/87-8747479 Skype: CB3ROB MSN: sven(a)cb3rob.net C.V.: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cb3rob Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Martin List-Petersen wrote: > Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: > >> The product that the customer buys of the LIR should be giving more than > >> 50 EUR/year revenue, if not, you might not be in business for long. > > > > LIRS are NOT isps! > > > Not every LIR is an ISP, a lot of them are. If you assign PI to somebody > else, you have a provider/enduser relationship. That makes you a service > provider of some sort. Be it internet, content or hosting. > > > > the "product" bought from a LIR is the registration of IP space, usually > > at at one-time single payment that covered the increase in the billing > > score for 2 years if applicable and the administrative work. > > > > there are no "services" or "products" a LIR normally sells. > > > You have to have a contractual relationship with the enduser that has PI > now. You know that, right ? > > > > and there also is no question of "circumventing ripe membership fees" > > as those only apply to LIRs (that is, people willing to register IP space > > for others). > > Or entities, that don't want to deal with a LIR. > > > > the fact that -most- LIRs are part of an ISP or even some ASPs that fell > > for ripes jedi-mind-trick and became a LIR themselves, doesnt mean they > > HAVE to be part of an ISP. > > There are very few LIRs, that aren't providing some commercial product. > And even then 50 EUR/year is compared to the money they probably pay for > connectivity: > near to nothing. > > Anyhow, this whole matter was also already raised at the GM. > > Kind regards, > Martin List-Petersen > -- > Airwire - Ag Nascadh Pobail an Iarthair > http://www.airwire.ie > Phone: 091-865 968 > > > > X-CONTACT-FILTER-MATCH: "ripe.net" >

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Re: [members-discuss] Discuss Charging Scheme 2010
by Sven Olaf Kamphuis 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

yes! voting through the lir portal, great idea. (first on the agenda, the correction of 2007-01).. -- Sven Olaf Kamphuis CB3ROB DataServices Phone: +31/87-8747479 Skype: CB3ROB MSN: sven(a)cb3rob.net C.V.: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cb3rob Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, David Crane wrote: > > On 19 Jun 2009, at 11:01, Jon Morby wrote: > > > I'd be happier voting based on the minutes of the meeting through > > the LIR portal however ... and even happier if I can watch a stream > > of the whole proceedings on the basis it is difficult for me to get > > to any of these events > > > This would be perfect. Much more democratic way of getting opinions > off people without impacting upon our working days. > > -Dave. > > > > > X-CONTACT-FILTER-MATCH: "ripe.net" >

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