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Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced
by Akayo 30 Apr '26

30 Apr '26

Dear colleagues! Just a few thoughts. I have - 7 x IPv4 /22 PA - 1 x IPv4 /24 PA - 4 ASNs which is equivalent to 29 x IPv4 /24. Therefore I am not a very small LIR, but between small and medium sized. As very small LIR I would consider a LIR with less than a IPv4 /22 equivalent. With Option B, the Category Model, I will pay €2,567. With Option A, the One LIR Account-One Fee Model, I will pay €2,044. Before redistribution: In 2022 I paid €1,400. In 2023 I paid €1,550. In 2025 I paid €2,000. In three years, the fees raised by 43% (2022-2025). If option B is selected, the fees raised totally by 83% in five years (2022-2027). Even if option A is selected, we have a total change of 46% in five years (2022-2027). While it is my opinion, that a very small LIR should pay less than me, the main concern here is that the costs of the RIPE NCC are just too high: How much shall I pay after the 2027-2031 period? Will I pay €5,000 then in 2032? Will very small LIRs then also pay €1,700 or so, so that the change (which first looked good for them) was useless, especially since it is likely that they received resources in the meantime? The RIPE NCC may still forget that this may cause many LIRs to sell their resources to large companies. Thanks for your time. --Kayo

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RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced
by Fergal Cunningham 30 Apr '26

30 Apr '26

Dear all, This morning our Executive Board Chair announced the charging scheme voting options for members to vote on at the upcoming General Meeting: https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/ncc-announce@ripe.net/thread/IZFVMQN… All the information, and a calculator you can use to predict your potential fees for 2027, is available from: https://www.ripe.net/s/gm/may-2026-documents/ We are of course interested to hear what members think about the proposal. And, very importantly, registration for the GM and to vote on your preferred option can be done quickly and easily through the LIR Portal: https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active Kind regards, Fergal Cunningham Head of Membership Engagement RIPE NCC

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Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced
by Andrew Velder 22 Apr '26

22 Apr '26

Think most voted will be option #0: “Leave CURRENT scheme” Board SHOULD add it poll From: Kari Mattsson (Trivore) <kari.mattsson(a)trivore.fi> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2026 5:33 PM To: Andrew Velder <aev(a)zond.ru> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced Agree, very very easy to choose.. br, Kari On 21. Apr 2026, at 17.22, Andrew Velder <aev(a)zond.ru <mailto:aev@zond.ru> > wrote: Choosing between double and triple (x3,5) annual increase is a very good and wide alternative From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight via members-discuss <members-discuss(a)ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2026 2:46 PM To: Fergal Cunningham <fergalc(a)ripe.net <mailto:fergalc@ripe.net> >; members-discuss(a)ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced Fergal thanks for sharing this. The fee calculator in particular is very useful and makes my vote on this very easy. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains <https://www.blacknight.com/> https://www.blacknight.com/ <https://blacknight.blog/> https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. <tel:+353599183072> +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: <tel:+353599183090> +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: <https://michele.blog/> https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: <https://ceo.hosting/> https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. From: Fergal Cunningham <fergalc(a)ripe.net <mailto:fergalc@ripe.net> > Date: Tuesday, 21 April 2026 at 10:14 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > Subject: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Dear all, This morning our Executive Board Chair announced the charging scheme voting options for members to vote on at the upcoming General Meeting: <https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/ncc-announce@ripe.net/thread/IZFVMQN…> https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/ncc-announce@ripe.net/thread/IZFVMQN… All the information, and a calculator you can use to predict your potential fees for 2027, is available from: <https://www.ripe.net/s/gm/may-2026-documents/> https://www.ripe.net/s/gm/may-2026-documents/ We are of course interested to hear what members think about the proposal. And, very importantly, registration for the GM and to vote on your preferred option can be done quickly and easily through the LIR Portal: <https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active> https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active Kind regards, Fergal Cunningham Head of Membership Engagement RIPE NCC To unsubscribe or manage your subscription, log in to the LIR Portal with your RIPE NCC Access account and go to the LIR Account page: https://my.ripe.net/#/account-details. Scroll down to Membership Mailing Lists to update your 'members-discuss' subscription. Having issues unsubscribing? More information about managing your subscription can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/s/members-discuss-subscription-options/

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RIPE NCC Quarterly Planning Q2 2026
by Boris Duval 27 Mar '26

27 Mar '26

Dear colleagues, We have now published the upcoming quarterly plans for our development teams: https://www.ripe.net/quarterly-planning <https://www.ripe.net/support/documentation/quarterly-planning> We publish these plans each quarter to showcase the work items we will be carrying out over the next months. We welcome your feedback and encourage you to suggest items that the RIPE NCC should be working on going forward. The plans cover the following areas: - RIPE Database - Business Applications, including the LIR Portal, Registry Services and other applications. - DNS and K-root - RIPE Atlas - RIPEstat - Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) - Routing Information Service (RIS) - Information Security, Risk, and Compliance - Training and Certification If you have any questions or input on these plans, please share your suggestions on this list or the RIPE NCC Forum: https://forum.ripe.net/ Kind regards, Boris Duval Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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FW: [ripe-list] Discussion about Charging Scheme to RIPE NCC Members List
by Tiberiu Gîndu 17 Mar '26

17 Mar '26

Dear members, Please see attached a positioning document issued by us (ANISP / RoNIX) related to the charging scheme and other conversations that were exchanged on the RIPE community list (example attached). Best regards, Tiberiu Gîndu ANISP / RoNIX -----Original Message----- From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir(a)zu-hause.nl> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2026 2:27 PM To: RIPE List <ripe-list(a)ripe.net> Subject: [ripe-list] Discussion about Charging Scheme to RIPE NCC Members List Dear colleagues, Please note that conversations related to the RIPE NCC budget and charging scheme should take place on the RIPE NCC members list and not on the RIPE community list: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/ripe-ncc-mailing-lists/members-discuss/ Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne (RIPE Chair and List Moderator) ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-list.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/

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NCC Charging scheme
by Akayo 17 Mar '26

17 Mar '26

In my opinion it would not be wise to aggressively audit members. We have 2026 and not 2009. It would cost much money and would lead to cost-intensive lawsuits: Millions of USD for a questionable cause. We should keep things simple: If a LIR with 128-times more IPv4 space only pays 2.7-times (= Model A) or 2.3 times (= Model B) so much we already have found the problem. --Kayo ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kaj Niemi <kajtzu(a)basen.net> Sent: Wednesday, 11. Mar 2026 – 17:27 CET +0100 To: Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke(a)iks-service.de> 'members-discuss(a)ripe.net' <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Michal Krajčírovič <michal(a)krajcirovic.cz> CC: Subject: [members-discuss] Re: NCC Charging scheme You can't turn back time. Realistically, I mean. All this silly talk, no offense, of looting and industrial scale falsifying, etc - please. You don't need to be on a waiting list. I get 10+ emails weekly from various brokers offering, unsolicited, blocks of addresses. I can forward some of them to you if you want. The same offer is available to anyone else, too. Kaj ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michal Krajčírovič via members-discuss <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2026 17:23 To: Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke(a)iks-service.de>; 'members-discuss(a)ripe.net' <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: NCC Charging scheme Hello, I apologize to everyone; what we are discussing here seems absurd to me. Undoubtedly it is the fault of us, the small LIRs, that we do not participate in the voting where the question of how much we should pay is decided. However, the main issue is not being addressed — that IP addresses were historically allocated inefficiently, often based on fabricated addressing plans, and those who obtained them in this way now pay the same as small LIRs, who must purchase IP addresses at high prices. And what does RIPE propose? That they should also pay for a place on the waiting list. I have a different proposal: immediately stop all inter-RIR transfers initiate a complete audit of IP usage in accordance with addressing plans after the audit, return all IPs used in violation of addressing plans (which includes at least all those being sold at various auctions) to the free pool Where are the days when Arne Kiessling was almost shutting down LIRs? When every minor issue and every suspicion of non-compliance was examined? I personally experienced such an audit at one of my former employers. Today nobody cares, and some “CEO of I-don’t-know-what” writes here that he trusts the members. Sure. We have allowed our own registry to be looted. And now small LIRs are supposed to pay the same as large ones. I call on all small LIRs: let us take RIPE back into our own hands, push for votes not only on payment issues but also on a complete audit, and make it the first registry that will have IP addresses again — because it will reclaim them from those who falsified addressing plans in the past on an industrial scale and are now making millions from it. Michal ------ Původní zpráva ------ Od "Lutz Donnerhacke" <L.Donnerhacke(a)iks-service.de> Komu "'members-discuss(a)ripe.net'" <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Datum 11.03.2026 14:10:47 Předmět [members-discuss] Re: NCC Charging scheme +1 for Sebastian Wiesinger and Gert Döring from my side. We are a small ISP and will be hurt by a price increase for PI and AS resources, because we are doing business with them. 75€ are an irrelevant level of pricing. Even 1000€ per year is not that much compared to the other costs we have (personal, energy, licences, taxes, hardware, …). OTOH those independent resources are a burden to all of us, because they require resources at each of our routers: They increase the routing table and we have no option to filter them out (like we could do on traffic engineering at PA space). So I’ve to compare the increasing hardware costs against a „prohibitive” fee. Not an easy decision. Lutz Donnerhacke Von: Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian.wiesinger(a)noris.de> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. März 2026 11:12 An: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Betreff: [members-discuss] Re: NCC Charging scheme > On 11. Mar 2026, at 00:36, sdy(a)a-n-t.ru wrote: > > I completely disagree with you. > > I've personally proposed several linear models. I've proposed various risk > scenarios for the NCC and burden on participants. All proposals are being > ignored. Linear models are simply being removed from discussions by the > administration. Why? The MAJORITY of those participating in this > discussion here have spoken about linear models! This gives me reason to > suspect a certain vested interest on the part of the group and those who > set its goals. The majority of those participating in this discussion is not the majority of those reading or voting. There are not a lot of members that are outspoken about linear models. I’m having trouble to understand which group you mean. The RIPE NCC? The charging scheme taskforce? The members? Could you define what you have identified as the group having a vested interest in keeping linear models out of the charging scheme? > You claim IPv4 is closed. Then explain to us why the market price of one > IP address is already reaching $50? Why don't we see free resources, only > rising prices? The prices for IPv4 are falling for a while now. Still there will be no free resources until IPv6 adoption reaches 100%. (Taken from https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales) > The schemes proposed by the working group not only create inequality among > NCC participants; they cement a system in which the majority will pay for > the very profitable business of a small number of NCC participants. This > group of participants has historically acquired vast amounts of address > space, in part by establishing an inadequate distribution model. Although > warnings about the risks of such a "helicopter distribution" of resources > have been voiced repeatedly, it seems as if the group is strictly > advocating for their interests. This is unacceptable! No-one is paying for the profitable business of anyone. Your membership fees are not handed out to other RIPE members. You’re paying for your RIPE NCC Services. This myth of an “inadequate distribution model” comes up again and again, can you define what you mean by that? The policy before the runout was based on the demonstrated need for addresses. Everyone that could proof a need for addresses got them. That doesn’t seem inadequate to me. There are no more IPv4 addresses to distribute so I’m not sure what you mean by “helicopter distribution”. There is no cake left to hand out. > The refusal to discuss linear models has led to the failure of votes on > new models time after time. This, as I understand it, also benefits this > group of NCC members. We voted almost 15 years ago for a flat model. This model was again and again chosen. The RIPE NCC is a membership organization, not a commercial undertaking. A strict “price per IP” model would move it towards a commercial offering which has a whole lot of implications. This was discussed again and again. I would assume that if a majority of members thinks that a more resource based approach to the fees would be good they would vote for the charging scheme model that moves towards that goal? That wasn’t the case in the past. The last time there was a category based model to vote on was for the Charging Scheme 2024 and that option didn’t win. > I believe the working group should be disbanded. Its work is pointless; > we've already voted against such payment options twice. We voted to keep the current model. If that is what the members want that is fine. > Ultimately, it's not the administration that decides what the payment > model should be. It should be the decision of NCC members, and it should > be a fair choice with all options, including linear models. > > Otherwise, all these "elections" will once again degenerate into a farce! What elections are you talking about? If you’re unhappy, there is an Executive Board Election coming up. I don’t see you on the candidate list right now but there is still time. If you want change there is your chance to influence the future of the organization. In general I don’t like these more or less subtle hints that there is supposed to be some sort of secret group or cabal or whatever you want to name it. The truth is that there are a lot of people and most of them have different goals and motivations. Getting 100% what you want is basically impossible. It will always be a compromise. Best Regards Sebastian -- Sebastian Wiesinger Senior Principal Network Architect Service Integration noris network AG 90471 Nürnberg • Deutschland Tel +49 911 9352 1459 E-Mail sebastian.wiesinger(a)noris.de Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel, Florian Sippel Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel • AG Nürnberg HRB 17689

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Re: NCC Charging scheme
by Evgeniy Brodskiy 12 Mar '26

12 Mar '26

Загальнодоступна інформація/Public information. Hi Michal, You mentioned that 'IP addresses were historically allocated inefficiently, often based on fabricated addressing plans.' This is an interesting point of view, though I won't even start on how much speculation is in those words. Accusing people without evidence simply because you can doesn't seem like a solid foundation. But if we follow your logic, why stop halfway? If these resources were truly 'misallocated,' why should they return to RIPE at all? Why not return them directly to IANA for global redistribution? After all, why shouldn't a small LIR from the AFRINIC region have the same right to this 'inefficiently allocated' space as a small LIR from RIPE? The reality we must acknowledge is that RIPE NCC only obtained and managed such a vast amount of IPv4 space because LIRs proactively requested it in the past. It was the demand from these members that built the registry's current scale and justified its existence. And you should be very careful with calls to 'seize and divide.' We have already seen the legal and operational chaos that occurs when a RIR (like AFRINIC) attempts to pivot from a service organization to a punitive body. It doesn't result in more addresses; it results in instability for everyone (AFRINIC vs. Cloud Innovation case). Best regards. P.S. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/afrinic-vs-cloud-innovation-why-legal-battle… From: Michal Krajčírovič via members-discuss <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2026 5:23 PM To: Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke(a)iks-service.de<mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>>; 'members-discuss(a)ripe.net' <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: NCC Charging scheme Hello, I apologize to everyone; what we are discussing here seems absurd to me. Undoubtedly it is the fault of us, the small LIRs, that we do not participate in the voting where the question of how much we should pay is decided. However, the main issue is not being addressed — that IP addresses were historically allocated inefficiently, often based on fabricated addressing plans, and those who obtained them in this way now pay the same as small LIRs, who must purchase IP addresses at high prices. And what does RIPE propose? That they should also pay for a place on the waiting list. I have a different proposal: * immediately stop all inter-RIR transfers * initiate a complete audit of IP usage in accordance with addressing plans * after the audit, return all IPs used in violation of addressing plans (which includes at least all those being sold at various auctions) to the free pool Where are the days when Arne Kiessling was almost shutting down LIRs? When every minor issue and every suspicion of non-compliance was examined? I personally experienced such an audit at one of my former employers. Today nobody cares, and some “CEO of I-don’t-know-what” writes here that he trusts the members. Sure. We have allowed our own registry to be looted. And now small LIRs are supposed to pay the same as large ones. I call on all small LIRs: let us take RIPE back into our own hands, push for votes not only on payment issues but also on a complete audit, and make it the first registry that will have IP addresses again — because it will reclaim them from those who falsified addressing plans in the past on an industrial scale and are now making millions from it. Michal ------ Původní zpráva ------ Od "Lutz Donnerhacke" <L.Donnerhacke(a)iks-service.de<mailto:L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de>> Komu "'members-discuss(a)ripe.net'" <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Datum 11.03.2026 14:10:47 Předmět [members-discuss] Re: NCC Charging scheme +1 for Sebastian Wiesinger and Gert Döring from my side. We are a small ISP and will be hurt by a price increase for PI and AS resources, because we are doing business with them. 75€ are an irrelevant level of pricing. Even 1000€ per year is not that much compared to the other costs we have (personal, energy, licences, taxes, hardware, …). OTOH those independent resources are a burden to all of us, because they require resources at each of our routers: They increase the routing table and we have no option to filter them out (like we could do on traffic engineering at PA space). So I’ve to compare the increasing hardware costs against a „prohibitive” fee. Not an easy decision. Lutz Donnerhacke Von: Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian.wiesinger(a)noris.de<mailto:sebastian.wiesinger@noris.de>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. März 2026 11:12 An: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: [members-discuss] Re: NCC Charging scheme > On 11. Mar 2026, at 00:36, sdy(a)a-n-t.ru<mailto:sdy@a-n-t.ru> wrote: > > I completely disagree with you. > > I've personally proposed several linear models. I've proposed various risk > scenarios for the NCC and burden on participants. All proposals are being > ignored. Linear models are simply being removed from discussions by the > administration. Why? The MAJORITY of those participating in this > discussion here have spoken about linear models! This gives me reason to > suspect a certain vested interest on the part of the group and those who > set its goals. The majority of those participating in this discussion is not the majority of those reading or voting. There are not a lot of members that are outspoken about linear models. I’m having trouble to understand which group you mean. The RIPE NCC? The charging scheme taskforce? The members? Could you define what you have identified as the group having a vested interest in keeping linear models out of the charging scheme? > You claim IPv4 is closed. Then explain to us why the market price of one > IP address is already reaching $50? Why don't we see free resources, only > rising prices? The prices for IPv4 are falling for a while now. Still there will be no free resources until IPv6 adoption reaches 100%. [cid:image001.png@01DCB258.D14505A0] (Taken from https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales) > The schemes proposed by the working group not only create inequality among > NCC participants; they cement a system in which the majority will pay for > the very profitable business of a small number of NCC participants. This > group of participants has historically acquired vast amounts of address > space, in part by establishing an inadequate distribution model. Although > warnings about the risks of such a "helicopter distribution" of resources > have been voiced repeatedly, it seems as if the group is strictly > advocating for their interests. This is unacceptable! No-one is paying for the profitable business of anyone. Your membership fees are not handed out to other RIPE members. You’re paying for your RIPE NCC Services. This myth of an “inadequate distribution model” comes up again and again, can you define what you mean by that? The policy before the runout was based on the demonstrated need for addresses. Everyone that could proof a need for addresses got them. That doesn’t seem inadequate to me. There are no more IPv4 addresses to distribute so I’m not sure what you mean by “helicopter distribution”. There is no cake left to hand out. > The refusal to discuss linear models has led to the failure of votes on > new models time after time. This, as I understand it, also benefits this > group of NCC members. We voted almost 15 years ago for a flat model. This model was again and again chosen. The RIPE NCC is a membership organization, not a commercial undertaking. A strict “price per IP” model would move it towards a commercial offering which has a whole lot of implications. This was discussed again and again. I would assume that if a majority of members thinks that a more resource based approach to the fees would be good they would vote for the charging scheme model that moves towards that goal? That wasn’t the case in the past. The last time there was a category based model to vote on was for the Charging Scheme 2024 and that option didn’t win. > I believe the working group should be disbanded. Its work is pointless; > we've already voted against such payment options twice. We voted to keep the current model. If that is what the members want that is fine. > Ultimately, it's not the administration that decides what the payment > model should be. It should be the decision of NCC members, and it should > be a fair choice with all options, including linear models. > > Otherwise, all these "elections" will once again degenerate into a farce! What elections are you talking about? If you’re unhappy, there is an Executive Board Election coming up. I don’t see you on the candidate list right now but there is still time. If you want change there is your chance to influence the future of the organization. In general I don’t like these more or less subtle hints that there is supposed to be some sort of secret group or cabal or whatever you want to name it. The truth is that there are a lot of people and most of them have different goals and motivations. Getting 100% what you want is basically impossible. It will always be a compromise. Best Regards Sebastian -- [PDF Creator] Sebastian Wiesinger Senior Principal Network Architect Service Integration noris network AG 90471 Nürnberg • Deutschland Tel +49 911 9352 1459 E-Mail sebastian.wiesinger(a)noris.de<mailto:sebastian.wiesinger@noris.de> Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel, Florian Sippel Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel • AG Nürnberg HRB 17689

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Concerns Regarding Proposed Increase of Fees for IPv4 PI Resources
by Oleksandr Tsaran 12 Mar '26

12 Mar '26

Dear colleagues, I would like to express my concern regarding the proposal to increase the annual fees for Provider Independent (PI) resources, particularly IPv4 PI assignments, from the current EUR75 per block to EUR1,000 per block. PI address space serves a critical operational role, enabling routing independence, multi-homing, and rapid reconfiguration of upstream connectivity without renumbering infrastructure. For many operators, PI resources are essential for maintaining stable and resilient networks. For operators in Ukraine, this is especially important. Networks continue to operate under extraordinary circumstances, including infrastructure damage, power outages, and ongoing disruptions. PI resources allow these networks to maintain connectivity and quickly restore service during such events. Given that the administrative costs of maintaining all LIR resources are largely covered by the annual LIR membership fee, the proposed increase in the PI block fee represents a very steep and disproportionate rise compared to the current PI fee. It could place a significant financial burden on smaller operators, whose primary focus is on infrastructure stability rather than commercial expansion. I believe many operators in the RIPE region share similar concerns, particularly smaller networks and those operating in challenging economic or operational environments. I would also like to highlight that many Internet Exchange Points rely on PI address space and operate on a non-commercial basis. A sharp increase in PI fees could make some IXPs financially unviable, potentially leading to their closure and negatively impacting overall network stability. For these reasons, I respectfully encourage the RIPE community not to support proposals that increase fees for IPv4 PI resources. -- Kind regards, Oleksandr Tsaran NET-CITY 2020 LLC RIPE NCC Member

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NCC Charging scheme
by thiele＠holomua.de 12 Mar '26

12 Mar '26

Hello everyone, unfortunately, the discussion here in Phase 2 reflects the experiences and contributions from Phase 1 and shows that we are all engaged in a sham discussion here. RIPE NCC set conditions for the working group in advance that were intended to prevent any discussion of a pricing model based linearly on the amount of RIPE resources (IPs, etc.) used. As a result, only the price limits of models and various ancillary costs can now be discussed. As many members clearly pointed out in Phase 1, this inevitably leads to unfair pricing and thus unfair cost distribution. According to the class-based Charging scheme models presented, users with small IP resources would have to pay up to 100 times more per IP address per year than users with large IP resources. I personally consider the argument that the latter users would otherwise pay too much and might switch RIRs to be highly questionable, as the associated effort/costs and also the question of whether other RIRs could even provide replacements for these resources suggest that these users would not switch. The models currently presented disadvantage all small and medium-sized users and favor the large early adopters. It is regrettable that the entire discussion on the pricing model could not/was not allowed to be conducted in an open-ended manner, taking into account another possible model with a linear resource-dependent cost approach. In my opinion, at least, a fair pricing model can never be achieved with the models currently being presented. Kind regards Peter Thiele -- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast-Antivirussoftware auf Viren geprüft. www.avast.com

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The new proposal regarding the payment scheme is disgraceful and shows signs of collusion among big businesses.
by FAP_IMC 12 Mar '26

12 Mar '26

My sincere congratulations, Members-discuss. Protection of Small Telecom Businesses in Ukraine Today, the Ukrainian internet services market operates under the conditions of resisting Russian aggression, missile attacks, and constant cyber threats. In these circumstances, thousands of local operators continue to ensure stable connectivity for citizens, businesses, and the state. Proposals to change the payment model for numbering resources (including PI addresses) have raised serious concerns among market operators. Ukraine has around 4,000 registered internet providers, and this decentralized structure is one of the key reasons for the resilience of the Ukrainian internet. Local operators often provide connectivity in small towns and communities where large companies do not operate. Most providers are small and medium-sized businesses that have invested for many years in their own infrastructure and network development. For them, Provider Independent (PI) addresses are the foundation of technical independence. Sudden changes in financial conditions may threaten the stability of their operations. In the context of a full-scale war, a decentralized internet structure is an important element of national resilience. A large number of independent operators allows for faster restoration of connectivity after attacks and supports the operation of critical infrastructure. Any financial or regulatory changes that weaken small providers create a risk of market concentration in the hands of a few large companies and may reduce the overall resilience of the telecommunications infrastructure. Under the current wartime conditions, any changes to the payment model for numbering resources are premature and unacceptable. We call for maintaining stability in the existing rules and for open dialogue with the industry in order to find solutions that will support Ukrainian providers and preserve the resilience of the national internet infrastructure. Respectfully Oleksandr Fedienko

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