Transfer agreement
Hi all. I think it would be great if the scan copy of the Transfer Agreement would be abolished and published as a checkbox when you create the request for transfer. What do you think? --- Regards, Alex.
Are you seriously talking about replacing a signed document that someone should use as authorization with simply a checkbox? I don't see a point in it personally but most importantly, I don't think there is a chance it would work legally. I think it is a terrible idea personally. - Cynthia On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:51 AM Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
I think it would be great if the scan copy of the Transfer Agreement would be abolished and published as a checkbox when you create the request for transfer.
What do you think?
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On Wed, 22 May 2019, Cynthia Revström wrote:
Are you seriously talking about replacing a signed document that someone should use as authorization with simply a checkbox?
I don't see a point in it personally but most importantly, I don't think there is a chance it would work legally.
I think it is a terrible idea personally.
Hi, +1. And also unfeasible, as i see it. Regards, Carlos
- Cynthia
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:51 AM Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all. I think it would be great if the scan copy of the Transfer Agreement would be abolished and published as a checkbox when you create the request for transfer.
What do you think?
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There is additional confirmation form the RIPE NCC to email. But sometimes the authorized person, who can sign the TA, is out of the office, ill and nobody can sign the TA. If the offering party creates the request for transfer and the receiving party confirms it they agree with conditions of transfer that can be published on the NCC's website. Have you ever heard about public offer (offerta in Russia) when you buy something in internet? We leave in the 21st Century but there are many old technologies, e.g. fax. --- Regards, Alex ср, 22 мая 2019 г. в 10:11, Carlos Friaças via members-discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net>:
On Wed, 22 May 2019, Cynthia Revström wrote:
Are you seriously talking about replacing a signed document that someone should use as authorization with simply a checkbox?
I don't see a point in it personally but most importantly, I don't think there is a chance it would work legally.
I think it is a terrible idea personally.
Hi,
+1.
And also unfeasible, as i see it.
Regards, Carlos
- Cynthia
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:51 AM Aleksey Bulgakov < aleksbulgakov@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all. I think it would be great if the scan copy of the Transfer Agreement would be abolished and published as a checkbox when you create the request for transfer.
What do you think?
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On Wed, 22 May 2019 10:27:29 +0300 Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov@gmail.com> wrote:
There is additional confirmation form the RIPE NCC to email. But sometimes the authorized person, who can sign the TA, is out of the office, ill and nobody can sign the TA.
So you have no contingency plan? Things worse that not being able to sign a TA could happen. /Martin
Let's look at one case: 1. The company changed it's Director. 2. The new Director signed the TA. 3. The NCC checked the data base of the trading chamber (If ever check and didn't use the old registered documents received in the request). 4. The NCC didn't check ID, passport or any like document that confirms director's identity. 5. We have "Things worse...." that you are so afraid. --- Kind regards, Alex ср, 22 мая 2019 г. в 12:04, Martin Hein <hein@gobler.net>:
On Wed, 22 May 2019 10:27:29 +0300 Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov@gmail.com> wrote:
There is additional confirmation form the RIPE NCC to email. But sometimes the authorized person, who can sign the TA, is out of the office, ill and nobody can sign the TA.
So you have no contingency plan?
Things worse that not being able to sign a TA could happen.
/Martin
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On Wed May 22, 2019 at 11:02:20AM +0200, Martin Hein wrote:
Things worse that not being able to sign a TA could happen.
Not if the primary purpose of your business is the transfer of IP resources between RIRs. Simon
Hi,
There is additional confirmation form the RIPE NCC to email. But sometimes the authorized person, who can sign the TA, is out of the office, ill and nobody can sign the TA.
So the solution to not having legal authorization you suggest to just skip the authorization and let anybody fake it? -∞ Cheers, Sander
Off course I don't suggest to let anybody fake it. Authorized users only have access to the wizard on LIR portal to make the request to the NCC. So, what additional protection has the digital copy of TA? -- Best regards, Alex ср, 22 мая 2019 г. в 12:14, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>:
Hi,
There is additional confirmation form the RIPE NCC to email. But sometimes the authorized person, who can sign the TA, is out of the office, ill and nobody can sign the TA.
So the solution to not having legal authorization you suggest to just skip the authorization and let anybody fake it?
-∞
Cheers, Sander
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Definitely. Only signed contracts. 23.05.2019 18:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight пишет:
Legally binding documents need to be “signed”. A checkbox will not suffice and it shouldn’t.
Regards
Michele
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Hello guys, it would be nice if the application generates the ready to use transfer agreement from the entered details, that I just need to download it, send it to the transfer partner for signature and then lets go. Because right now, when I do transfers every 6 month, the RIPE complains, that I did not use the actual transfer agreement. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Edler Geschäftsinhaber Optimate-Server EM Koddes 1 52531 Übach-Palenberg Germany Tel.: 06104 / 9722141 Fax: 06104 / 9722142 Mobil: 0177 / 83 55 499 eMail: medler@optimate-server.de Internet: http://www.optimate-server.de Am 23.05.2019 um 17:38 schrieb Oleg Zinkov:
Definitely. Only signed contracts.
23.05.2019 18:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight пишет:
Legally binding documents need to be “signed”. A checkbox will not suffice and it shouldn’t.
Regards
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Maybe digitally signed contracts? I'd personally prefer RIPE to act as a market and escrow intermediary between buyers and sellers. It would be much healthier to have all the blocks listed for sale and being able to buy risk-free directly on the RIPE platform. On 5/23/2019 6:38 PM, Oleg Zinkov wrote:
Definitely. Only signed contracts.
23.05.2019 18:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight пишет:
Legally binding documents need to be “signed”. A checkbox will not suffice and it shouldn’t.
Regards
Michele
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This is interesting. I support the sale/purchase of IP blocks on the RIPE platform. 23.05.2019 18:48, RedCluster пишет:
Maybe digitally signed contracts?
I'd personally prefer RIPE to act as a market and escrow intermediary between buyers and sellers.
It would be much healthier to have all the blocks listed for sale and being able to buy risk-free directly on the RIPE platform.
On 5/23/2019 6:38 PM, Oleg Zinkov wrote:
Definitely. Only signed contracts.
23.05.2019 18:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight пишет:
Legally binding documents need to be “signed”. A checkbox will not suffice and it shouldn’t.
Regards
Michele
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RIPE is a non-profit organisation. The purpose of selling/trading or acting has an escrow is not possible and not doable.Enviado a partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy. -------- Mensagem original --------De : Oleg Zinkov <o.zinkov@kyivlink.com> Data: 23/05/19 18:02 (GMT+01:00) Para: members-discuss@ripe.net Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] Transfer agreement This is interesting. I support the sale/purchase of IP blocks on the RIPE platform. 23.05.2019 18:48, RedCluster пишет: Maybe digitally signed contracts? I'd personally prefer RIPE to act as a market and escrow intermediary between buyers and sellers. It would be much healthier to have all the blocks listed for sale and being able to buy risk-free directly on the RIPE platform. On 5/23/2019 6:38 PM, Oleg Zinkov wrote: Definitely. Only signed contracts. 23.05.2019 18:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight пишет: <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:-webkit-standard; panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:#0563C1; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:#954F72; text-decoration:underline;} p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0 {mso-style-name:msonormal; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --> Legally binding documents need to be “signed”. A checkbox will not suffice and it shouldn’t. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/o.zinkov%40kyivlink.c... -- ---------------------- www.kyivlink.com (044)332-96-55 Zinkov Oleg _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/admin%40redcluster.or... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40kyivlink.com -- ---------------------- www.kyivlink.com (044)332-96-55 Zinkov Oleg
It’s not up to RIPE to facilitate this Are you going to give them a cut of the deals? Say 10%? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Oleg Zinkov <o.zinkov@kyivlink.com> Organisation: LLC "K-LINK" Date: Thursday 23 May 2019 at 17:05 To: "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Transfer agreement This is interesting. I support the sale/purchase of IP blocks on the RIPE platform. 23.05.2019 18:48, RedCluster пишет: Maybe digitally signed contracts? I'd personally prefer RIPE to act as a market and escrow intermediary between buyers and sellers. It would be much healthier to have all the blocks listed for sale and being able to buy risk-free directly on the RIPE platform. On 5/23/2019 6:38 PM, Oleg Zinkov wrote: Definitely. Only signed contracts. 23.05.2019 18:19, Michele Neylon - Blacknight пишет: Legally binding documents need to be “signed”. A checkbox will not suffice and it shouldn’t. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/o.zinkov%40kyivlink.c... -- ---------------------- www.kyivlink.com<http://www.kyivlink.com> (044)332-96-55 Zinkov Oleg _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/admin%40redcluster.or... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40kyivlink.com -- ---------------------- www.kyivlink.com<http://www.kyivlink.com> (044)332-96-55 Zinkov Oleg
participants (11)
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Aleksey Bulgakov -
bruno.carvalho -
Carlos Friaças -
Cynthia Revström -
Marcel Edler (Optimate-Server.de) -
Martin Hein -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Oleg Zinkov -
RedCluster -
Sander Steffann -
Simon Lockhart