A request to terminate ENOG
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely. Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities. In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time. Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG. Stay safe. -- Töma
Dear colleagues, I agree that the united community with horizontal links does not exist anymore. Thus, let me step down from the position of the ENOG PC Vice-Chair. Thank you. On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:44 AM Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
-- Alex Semenyaka
Dear Töma, I believe I have read your message in one of the telegram channels today. Still could not find the logic of it. I would like to stipulate, that I deeply regret, that people are under attack at the moment, no matter if they are ENOG/RIPE or any other entity members. This should have never happened in 21 century, as we all thought we have learned harsh lessons of the WW II. Niether the less, it really necessary to escalate the conflict that far? If you are convinced that you don't want to run ENOG, with all the respect, maybe it is more expedient to hand over the management to someone else? I seriously doubt that ENOG members support missile attacks. In my humble opinion, it would not do any good, and apparently it would not stop attacks either.
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Peace, On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:04 AM alex <alex@mac3.ru> wrote:
I believe I have read your message in one of the telegram channels today.
I'm pretty sure you haven't, because for quite some time I don't really have much time to reside in channels or social media. -- Töma
Kharkiv is being shelled by MRLS from Russia's territory. Chernihiv is being shelled by MRLS and aircraft from Belarus' territory. Kyiv is being shelled by Iskanders from Belarus' territory. I've seen explosions of your P-500 rockets by my own eyes from my window. Mariupol is being ruined with shellings from all sides. Your crazy president ordered to open fire on Zaporizhya nuclear plant. It is the biggest NPP in Europe. But for you ENOG termination is to "escalate conflict that far" ?! Are there _normal_ people still left in your rotten country? You may push your "deep regrets" in your ass. ENOG is dead from 2014, let's finally bury it. P.S. While I was writing this, a next air alert siren started ringing. Thank you, russian "brothers". On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 02:03:27 +0300, alex wrote:
Dear Töma, I believe I have read your message in one of the telegram channels today. Still could not find the logic of it. I would like to stipulate, that I deeply regret, that people are under attack at the moment, no matter if they are ENOG/RIPE or any other entity members. This should have never happened in 21 century, as we all thought we have learned harsh lessons of the WW II.
Niether the less, it really necessary to escalate the conflict that far?
If you are convinced that you don't want to run ENOG, with all the respect, maybe it is more expedient to hand over the management to someone else? I seriously doubt that ENOG members support missile attacks. In my humble opinion, it would not do any good, and apparently it would not stop attacks either.
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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To be understood, my uncle who is over 80 lives in Kiev. Any questions left? Still I do see any connection between the war and ENOG. And I think, that Russia and Ukraine are not the only ENOG members. Sure, let's destroy everything good left.
Kharkiv is being shelled by MRLS from Russia's territory. Chernihiv is being shelled by MRLS and aircraft from Belarus' territory. Kyiv is being shelled by Iskanders from Belarus' territory. I've seen explosions of your P-500 rockets by my own eyes from my window. Mariupol is being ruined with shellings from all sides. Your crazy president ordered to open fire on Zaporizhya nuclear plant. It is the biggest NPP in Europe.
But for you ENOG termination is to "escalate conflict that far" ?!
Are there _normal_ people still left in your rotten country?
You may push your "deep regrets" in your ass. ENOG is dead from 2014, let's finally bury it.
P.S. While I was writing this, a next air alert siren started ringing. Thank you, russian "brothers".
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 02:03:27 +0300, alex wrote:
Dear Töma, I believe I have read your message in one of the telegram channels today. Still could not find the logic of it. I would like to stipulate, that I deeply regret, that people are under attack at the moment, no matter if they are ENOG/RIPE or any other entity members. This should have never happened in 21 century, as we all thought we have learned harsh lessons of the WW II.
Niether the less, it really necessary to escalate the conflict that far?
If you are convinced that you don't want to run ENOG, with all the respect, maybe it is more expedient to hand over the management to someone else? I seriously doubt that ENOG members support missile attacks. In my humble opinion, it would not do any good, and apparently it would not stop attacks either.
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Hi, I do support the closure of ENOG. 04.03.22 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov пише:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. I hope by this time the events will have settled down. Peace for all, NO TO WAR. On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Добрый вечер! А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 www.medsi.ru -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. I hope by this time the events will have settled down. Peace for all, NO TO WAR. On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли? -- www.voks.ua On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
Добрый вечер! А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы!
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 www.medsi.ru
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Спасибо, что поправили. ? С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58 www.medsi.ru -----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли? -- www.voks.ua On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
Добрый вечер! А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы!
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 www.medsi.ru
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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How do you see _community_ event with terro russia? Sharing experience of reparing internet under military attacks on civic objects? WIFI performance in undeground shelters? Broken mobile network due to occupation? A lot of the technical and non-political topics, but sorry, no. And never ever again. On 04.03.2022 21:33, NOC wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
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Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
-- www.voks.ua
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
Добрый вечер! А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы!
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 www.medsi.ru
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation. Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
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Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
-- www.voks.ua
Добрый вечер! А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы!
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 www.medsi.ru
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall.
I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia. George Porter [ins 100x120] Integrated Network Services Ltd 01928 238390 07956592260 george.porter@in-services.co.uk<mailto:george.porter@in-services.co.uk> SUPPLY - INSTALL - SUPPORT www.in-services.co.uk<http://www.in-services.co.uk> This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. Integrated Network Services Limited, The Heath Business Park, Runcorn, Cheshire WA7 4QX. Tel 01928 238390. Registered in England 7360277. From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of C A Sent: 04 March 2022 20:42 To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>; exec-board@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation. Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru<mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru>> wrote: Спасибо, что поправили. ? С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58 www.medsi.ru<http://www.medsi.ru> -----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua<mailto:ripe@voks.ua> [mailto:ripe@voks.ua<mailto:ripe@voks.ua>] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru<mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru>> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com<mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>>; exec-board@ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>; ENOG <enog@ripe.net<mailto:enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org<mailto:discuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net<mailto:pc@ripe.net>>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org<mailto:pc@enog.org>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли? -- www.voks.ua<http://www.voks.ua> On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
Добрый вечер! А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы!
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 www.medsi.ru<http://www.medsi.ru>
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM To: exec-board@ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>; ENOG <enog@ripe.net<mailto:enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org<mailto:discuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net<mailto:pc@ripe.net>>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org<mailto:pc@enog.org>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes. The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children. And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality. If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work! -- Stary Bezpiek Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй! W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
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Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58
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-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
-- www.voks.ua <http://www.voks.ua>
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > nu > > clearcat.com <http://clearcat.com> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigrou > p.ru <http://p.ru> _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail.com
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I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
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Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
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-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
-- www.voks.ua <http://www.voks.ua>
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > nu > > clearcat.com <http://clearcat.com> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigrou > p.ru <http://p.ru> _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail.com
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I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
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Integrated Network Services Ltd
01928 238390
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*From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> *Cc:* ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>; exec-board@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58
www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru>
-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
-- www.voks.ua <http://www.voks.ua>
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > nu > > clearcat.com <http://clearcat.com> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro u > p.ru <http://p.ru> _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail .com
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Is Ripe now a political body, do you see the stupidity in doing the shut down of Russia ? Who pays the price of isolation, I am not in an insisting position but I would rather say let ripe stay out of politics and sentiments and let’s follow our mission goal which is world or global connectivity. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, March 5, 2022, 10:44 am, Mikael mk. Krantz <mikael@noackgroup.se> wrote: I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
ins 100x120
Integrated Network Services Ltd
01928 238390
07956592260
george.porter@in-services.co.uk
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*From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> *Cc:* ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>; exec-board@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58
www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru>
-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
-- www.voks.ua <http://www.voks.ua>
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > nu > > clearcat.com <http://clearcat.com> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro u > p.ru <http://p.ru> _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail .com
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I've kept away of all this discussion. Despite I condemn all sort of violence, attacks, war, etc... I don't think or agree that Russia should be excluded from RIPE. Don't condemn the people for their government actions. Note: RIPE is not and should not take part of political issues or decisions. RIPE should always be kept independent and neutral. That is my opinion. It's not our job to play God. Had this said, stop harassing members and ask to take actions on unrelated political problems. My taughts are with Ukrainian people and Russian people that fight their government. Peace for all. Em 5/03/2022, 10:43, em 10:43, "Mikael mk. Krantz" <mikael@noackgroup.se> escreveu:
I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
Just shut them down.
Regards mikael krantz
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I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses,
cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
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The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
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Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
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Спасибо, что поправили. ?
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Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the
RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way
it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however,
we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further
due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > nu > > clearcat.com <http://clearcat.com> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: >
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Hi there, Nobody here is talking of excluding Russia from RIPE, you get it all wrong. We are discussing the regional ENOG community which united Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian etc operators on the horizontal level. Russia is still the part of the RIPE community. Operators continue working. Interaction through the RIPE mechanisms remains. The only thing which disappeared - the friendship. Something you cannot force to exist. Thus, probably it is time to divide ENOG to, say, UANOG and RUNOG or something like.
On 5 Mar 2022, at 11:52, NOC.xervers <noc@xervers.pt> wrote:
I've kept away of all this discussion. Despite I condemn all sort of violence, attacks, war, etc... I don't think or agree that Russia should be excluded from RIPE. Don't condemn the people for their government actions.
Note: RIPE is not and should not take part of political issues or decisions. RIPE should always be kept independent and neutral.
That is my opinion. It's not our job to play God.
Had this said, stop harassing members and ask to take actions on unrelated political problems.
My taughts are with Ukrainian people and Russian people that fight their government.
Peace for all. Em 5/03/2022, em 10:43, "Mikael mk. Krantz" <mikael@noackgroup.se <mailto:mikael@noackgroup.se>> escreveu: I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
Just shut them down.
Regards mikael krantz
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I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
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07956592260
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Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
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-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru/> <http://www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru/>> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > >
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With the greatest respect to all, Please keep this thread to network topics only. All the readers work hard and are aware of unfolding events. We dont need this avalance of emails on a weekend, With thanks and respect to all Sent from MailDroid -----Original Message----- From: "Mikael mk. Krantz" <mikael@noackgroup.se> To: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Sent: Sat, 05 Mar 2022 9:44 Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
ins 100x120
Integrated Network Services Ltd
01928 238390
07956592260
george.porter@in-services.co.uk
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Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58
www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru>
-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > >
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oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <mikael@noackgroup.se>: I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
Just shut them down.
Regards mikael krantz
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I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
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W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
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*From:*members-discuss < members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net > *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC < noc@medsigroup.ru > *Cc:* ENOG < enog@ripe.net >; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net >; RIPE Programme Committee < pc@ripe.net >; support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee < pc@enog.org >; exec-board@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, < noc@medsigroup.ru > wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
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www.medsi.ru < http://www.medsi.ru >
-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC < noc@medsigroup.ru > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko < nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com >; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG < enog@ripe.net >; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net >; RIPE Programme Committee < pc@ripe.net >; ENOG Programme Committee < pc@enog.org > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru < http://www.medsi.ru > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG < enog@ripe.net >; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net >; RIPE Programme Committee > < pc@ripe.net >; ENOG Programme Committee < pc@enog.org > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > nu > > clearcat.com < http://clearcat.com > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro u > p.ru < http://p.ru > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail .com
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It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh?
oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <mikael@noackgroup.se>: I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
Just shut them down.
Regards mikael krantz
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG
I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
ins 100x120
Integrated Network Services Ltd
01928 238390
07956592260
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*From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> *Cc:* ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>; exec-board@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58
www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru>
-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > nu > > clearcat.com <http://clearcat.com> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro u > p.ru <http://p.ru> _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail .com
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I understand everything, but why should Russian and European citizens lose out, who have done nothing?
Il giorno 5 mar 2022, alle ore 13:06, alex <alex@mac3.ru> ha scritto:
It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS 79032697800 alex@mac3.ru
oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <mikael@noackgroup.se>:
I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
Just shut them down.
Regards mikael krantz
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG
I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
ins 100x120
Integrated Network Services Ltd
01928 238390
07956592260
george.porter@in-services.co.uk
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Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
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-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
-- www.voks.ua <http://www.voks.ua>
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > >
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Alex, it was a kind of sarcasm to all this schizophrenia
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 15:02 +03:00 от alex <alex@mac3.ru>: It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS 79032697800 alex@mac3.ru
oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz < mikael@noackgroup.se >: I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
Just shut them down.
Regards mikael krantz
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I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
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*From:*members-discuss < members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net > *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC < noc@medsigroup.ru > *Cc:* ENOG < enog@ripe.net >; discuss@enog.org ; Members Discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net >; RIPE Programme Committee < pc@ripe.net >; support@voks.ua ; ENOG Programme Committee < pc@enog.org >; exec-board@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, < noc@medsigroup.ru > wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб. +7 (915) 119-89-58
www.medsi.ru < http://www.medsi.ru >
-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto: ripe@voks.ua ] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC < noc@medsigroup.ru > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko < nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com >; exec-board@ripe.net ; ENOG < enog@ripe.net >; discuss@enog.org ; Members Discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net >; RIPE Programme Committee < pc@ripe.net >; ENOG Programme Committee < pc@enog.org > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
-- www.voks.ua < http://www.voks.ua >
On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru < http://www.medsi.ru > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net ] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net ; ENOG < enog@ripe.net >; discuss@enog.org ; > Members Discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net >; RIPE Programme Committee > < pc@ripe.net >; ENOG Programme Committee < pc@enog.org > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > nu > > clearcat.com < http://clearcat.com > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro u > p.ru < http://p.ru > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail .com
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"The hottest corners of hell are reserved for those who, in times of greatest moral upheaval, remained neutral." - Dante Alighieri сб, 5 бер. 2022 р. о 14:16 Артем via members-discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net> пише:
Alex,
it was a kind of sarcasm to all this schizophrenia
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 15:02 +03:00 от alex <alex@mac3.ru>:
It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS 79032697800 alex@mac3.ru <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aalex@mac3.ru>
oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz < mikael@noackgroup.se <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3amikael@noackgroup.se>>:
I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
Just shut them down.
Regards mikael krantz
-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG
I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
ins 100x120
Integrated Network Services Ltd
01928 238390 <01928238390>
07956592260
george.porter@in-services.co.uk
SUPPLY - INSTALL - SUPPORT
www.in-services.co.uk <http://www.in-services.co.uk>
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*From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> *Cc:* ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org
<//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adiscuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss
<members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; support@voks.ua <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3asupport@voks.ua>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>; exec-board@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 <+7(495)737-07-93> доб. 11011 моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58 <+7(915)119-89-58>
www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru>
-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aripe@voks.ua>] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aexec%2dboard@ripe.net>; ENOG < enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adiscuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 <+7(495)737-07-93> доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3amembers%2ddiscuss%2dbounces@ripe.net>] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aexec%2dboard@ripe.net>; ENOG < enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3adiscuss@enog.org>; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > >
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Hi, In what way is Russia doing a good thing ? Even if they are totally brainwashed they cannot be that stupid they believe whats sent on tv 100% and why support them in the situation going on now? Sounds just stupid. Sorry to say it Putin should have his head shot off. Regards, Mikael Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För Amministrazione Viama srl Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 19:45 Till: alex <alex@mac3.ru> Kopia: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: Re: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, no one understand really what happening. I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion. Thanks Russia. Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <alex@mac3.ru<mailto:alex@mac3.ru>> ha scritto: It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS 79032697800<tel:79032697800> alex@mac3.ru<mailto:alex@mac3.ru> oh those sweet dreams……. Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <mikael@noackgroup.se<mailto:mikael@noackgroup.se>>: I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</compose?To=members%2ddiscuss%2dbounces@ripe.net>> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net</compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net>> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
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W dniu 05.03.2022<tel:05.03.2022> o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
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*From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net</compose?To=members%2ddiscuss%2dbounces@ripe.net>> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru</compose?To=noc@medsigroup.ru>> *Cc:* ENOG <enog@ripe.net</compose?To=enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org<mailto:discuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net</compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net</compose?To=pc@ripe.net>>; support@voks.ua<mailto:support@voks.ua>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org</compose?To=pc@enog.org>>; exec-board@ripe.net</compose?To=exec%2dboard@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru</compose?To=noc@medsigroup.ru>> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
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-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua</compose?To=ripe@voks.ua> [mailto:ripe@voks.ua<mailto:ripe@voks.ua>] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru</compose?To=noc@medsigroup.ru>> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com</compose?To=nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>>; exec-board@ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>; ENOG <enog@ripe.net</compose?To=enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org<mailto:discuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net</compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net</compose?To=pc@ripe.net>>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org</compose?To=pc@enog.org>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93<tel:+7%28495%29737-07-93> доб. 11011<tel:11011> > www.medsi.ru<http://www.medsi.ru> <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>; ENOG <enog@ripe.net</compose?To=enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org<mailto:discuss@enog.org>; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net</compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net</compose?To=pc@ripe.net>>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org</compose?To=pc@enog.org>> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net</compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net> > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > >
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Mikael, The main problem is we don't know WHO is brainwashed. Do you? Saturday, 05 March 2022, 09:57PM +03:00 from Mikael mk. Krantz mikael@noackgroup.se :
Hi, In what way is Russia doing a good thing ? Even if they are totally brainwashed they cannot be that stupid they believe whats sent on tv 100% and why support them in the situation going on now? Sounds just stupid. Sorry to say it Putin should have his head shot off. Regards, Mikael Från: members-discuss < members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För Amministrazione Viama srl Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 19:45 Till: alex < alex@mac3.ru> Kopia: members-discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: Re: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, no one understand really what happening. I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion. Thanks Russia. Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex < alex@mac3.ru> ha scritto:
It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS 79032697800 alex@mac3.ru oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz < mikael@noackgroup.se> : I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
Just shut them down.
Regards mikael krantz
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I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
George Porter
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*From:*members-discuss < members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC < noc@medsigroup.ru> *Cc:* ENOG < enog@ripe.net> ; discuss@enog.org ; Members Discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net> ; RIPE Programme Committee < pc@ripe.net> ; support@voks.ua ; ENOG Programme Committee < pc@enog.org> ; exec-board@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, < noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
Руководитель проектов Департамента развития инфраструктуры Блока по информационным технологиям АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 моб. +7 (915) 119-89-58
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-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto: ripe@voks.ua ] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC < noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko < nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> ; exec-board@ripe.net ; ENOG < enog@ripe.net> ; discuss@enog.org ; Members Discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net> ; RIPE Programme Committee < pc@ripe.net> ; ENOG Programme Committee < pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
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Alex, 100% Russia Från: Артем <galimov_artem@mail.ru> Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 20:16 Till: Mikael mk. Krantz <mikael@noackgroup.se> Kopia: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; Amministrazione Viama srl <amministrazione@viama.it>; alex <alex@mac3.ru> Ämne: Re[4]: [members-discuss] Reply: Reply: A request to terminate ENOG Mikael, The main problem is we don't know WHO is brainwashed. Do you? Saturday, 05 March 2022, 09:57PM +03:00 from Mikael mk. Krantz mikael@noackgroup.se<mailto:mikael@noackgroup.se>: Hi, In what way is Russia doing a good thing ? Even if they are totally brainwashed they cannot be that stupid they believe whats sent on tv 100% and why support them in the situation going on now? Sounds just stupid. Sorry to say it Putin should have his head shot off. Regards, Mikael Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> För Amministrazione Viama srl Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 19:45 Till: alex <alex@mac3.ru<mailto:alex@mac3.ru>> Kopia: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Ämne: Re: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, no one understand really what happening. I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion. Thanks Russia. Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <alex@mac3.ru<mailto:alex@mac3.ru>> ha scritto: It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS 79032697800<tel:79032697800> alex@mac3.ru<mailto:alex@mac3.ru> oh those sweet dreams……. Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <mikael@noackgroup.se<mailto:mikael@noackgroup.se>>: I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
-- Stary Bezpiek
Слава Україні! русский корабль иди нахуй!
W dniu 05.03.2022<tel:05.03.2022> o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
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*From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru<mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru>> *Cc:* ENOG <enog@ripe.net<mailto:enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org<mailto:discuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net<mailto:pc@ripe.net>>; support@voks.ua<mailto:support@voks.ua>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org<mailto:pc@enog.org>>; exec-board@ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru<mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru>> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
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-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua<mailto:ripe@voks.ua> [mailto:ripe@voks.ua<mailto:ripe@voks.ua>] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru<mailto:noc@medsigroup.ru>> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com<mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>>; exec-board@ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>; ENOG <enog@ripe.net<mailto:enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org<mailto:discuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net<mailto:pc@ripe.net>>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org<mailto:pc@enog.org>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93<tel:+7%28495%29737-07-93> доб. 11011<tel:11011> > www.medsi.ru<http://www.medsi.ru> <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>; ENOG <enog@ripe.net<mailto:enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org<mailto:discuss@enog.org>; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net<mailto:pc@ripe.net>>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org<mailto:pc@enog.org>> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > >
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First of all, I kindly ask not to consider me as a war supporter, nor Putin's supporter. That's funny Second, as I have mentioned earlier my uncle who is 80 lives in Kiev, and not able to move into the shelter during attacks. So this is my personal problem as well. Third. As I have mentioned before, and this is my main thesis: There is no reason to dissolve horizontal links between network specialists from CIS or ex-USSR (you name it). NB I am not going to ignore allegations made on my behalf, and stupid attempts from known IPs to unsubscribe me from mailing lists, which is some looney is trying to perform on me, and some other people. Take your pills to ease the symptoms of exacerbation. On 05.03.2022 21:54, Mikael mk. Krantz wrote:
Hi,
In what way is Russia doing a good thing ? Even if they are totally brainwashed they cannot be that stupid they believe whats sent on tv 100% and why support them in the situation going on now? Sounds just stupid.
Sorry to say it Putin should have his head shot off.
Regards,
Mikael
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Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, no one understand really what happening.
I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion.
Thanks Russia.
Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <alex@mac3.ru> ha scritto:
It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh?
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oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <mikael@noackgroup.se>:
I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
Just shut them down.
Regards mikael krantz
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I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. > When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I > cant't believe my eyes. > > The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely > different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. > Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, > cluster bombs kill children. > > And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality. > > If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm > them. Go to work! > > -- > Stary Bezpiek > > Слава Україні! > русский корабль иди нахуй! > > W dniu 05.03.2022 <tel:05.03.2022> o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze: > > > > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The > > Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE > > standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel > > isolated. Close all ties with Russia. > > > > George Porter > > > > ins 100x120 > > > > Integrated Network Services Ltd > > > > 01928 238390 <tel:01928238390> > > > > 07956592260 <tel:07956592260> > > > > george.porter@in-services.co.uk </compose?To=george.porter@in%2dservices.co.uk> > > > > SUPPLY - INSTALL - SUPPORT > > > > www.in-services.co.uk <http://www.in-services.co.uk> <http://www.in-services.co.uk> > > > > This message contains confidential information and is intended only > > for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you > > should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please > > notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this > > e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail > > transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as > > information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive > > late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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Registered in England 7360277 <tel:7360277>. > > > > *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss%2dbounces@ripe.net>> *On Behalf > > Of *C A > > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 > > *To:* NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru </compose?To=noc@medsigroup.ru>> > > *Cc:* ENOG <enog@ripe.net </compose?To=enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss > > <members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net </compose?To=pc@ripe.net>>; > > support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org </compose?To=pc@enog.org>>; > > exec-board@ripe.net </compose?To=exec%2dboard@ripe.net> > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? > > > > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. > > > > If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack > > of participation. > > > > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru </compose?To=noc@medsigroup.ru>> wrote: > > > > Спасибо, что поправили. > > ? > > > > > > С уважением, > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > Руководитель проектов > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 <tel:+7%28495%29737-07-93> доб. 11011 <tel:11011> > > моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58 <tel:+7%28915%29119-89-58> > > > > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> <http://www.medsi.ru> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ripe@voks.ua </compose?To=ripe@voks.ua> [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM > > To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru </compose?To=noc@medsigroup.ru>> > > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com </compose?To=nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>>; > > exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net </compose?To=enog@ripe.net>>; discuss@enog.org; > > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme > > Committee <pc@ripe.net </compose?To=pc@ripe.net>>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org </compose?To=pc@enog.org>> > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не > > так ли? > > > > -- > > www.voks.ua <http://www.voks.ua> <http://www.voks.ua> > > > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > > > Добрый вечер! > > > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > > > > > > > С уважением, > > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > > > Руководитель проектов > > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 <tel:+7%28495%29737-07-93> доб. 11011 <tel:11011> > > > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> <http://www.medsi.ru> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: members-discuss > >[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > > > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > > > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net </compose?To=enog@ripe.net>>; > >discuss@enog.org; > > > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme > > Committee > > > <pc@ripe.net </compose?To=pc@ripe.net>>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org </compose?To=pc@enog.org>> > > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of > > ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > > > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, > > reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official > > position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > > > > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult > >emotional > > state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their > > ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this > >matter > > in the fall. > > > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > > > > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > > > Peace, > > > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will > >ever > > be, — > > > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network > > Operators > > > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that > > the RIPE > > > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the > > potential > > > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the > >RIPE > > > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating > > Ukrainian, > > > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), > >the > > > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way > >it > > could > > > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a > >programme > > for > > > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually > > recognized as > > > > ENOG at the time. > > > > > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, > >we > > > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile > > attacks_, > > > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote > > in the PC. > > > > > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I > >don't > > > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire > >RIPE > > > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further > >due > > > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the > >RIPE > > > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board > >to > > decide > > > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board > >to > > act. > > > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to > >consider any > > > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > > > > > Stay safe. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Töma > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > > members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net> > > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > >https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > > > nu > > > > clearcat.com <http://clearcat.com> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net> > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > >https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro > >u > > > p.ru <http://p.ru> > >_______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net> > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > >https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net> > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > > >https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail > >.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net> > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stary.bezpiec > > znik%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alex%40mac3.ru _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/artem%40chudotelecom....
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Did your grandpa support Hitler? On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 19:44:34 +0100, Amministrazione Viama srl wrote:
Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, no one understand really what happening. I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion. Thanks Russia.
Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <alex@mac3.ru> ha scritto:
It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS [1]79032697800 [2]alex@mac3.ru
oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <[3]mikael@noackgroup.se>:
I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <[4]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <[5]members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
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W dniu [6]05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
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*From:*members-discuss <[14]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC <[15]noc@medsigroup.ru> *Cc:* ENOG <[16]enog@ripe.net>; [17]discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <[18]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <[19]pc@ripe.net>; [20]support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <[21]pc@enog.org>; [22]exec-board@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <[23]noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
С уважением, Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
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-----Original Message----- From: [29]ripe@voks.ua [mailto:[30]ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <[31]noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <[32]nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; [33]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <[34]enog@ripe.net>; [35]discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <[36]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <[37]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <[38]pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. [41]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [42]11011 > [43]www.medsi.ru <[44]http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:[45]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: [46]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <[47]enog@ripe.net>; [48]discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <[49]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <[50]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <[51]pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > [52]members-discuss@ripe.net > > [53]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > >
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I don't give a shit what you or other russia-supportes will think about me. The only thing I care about right now, is when your smelly army leaves my country. Since 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea and created so-called DPR and LPR with the hands of its puppets and regular army, we were too polite. We took care of community, we respected RIPE neutrality, and so on. Someone should remember a case from 2014, when RIPE NCC allocated resources to non-existent entity from so-called DPR. But you see, the problem of russians is that they admit only their position. They don't care about other position or rights. They do not adhere to any international treaties. They just disrespect all other world. They were shitting in the heads of EU citizens too long via their propaganda channels like Sputnik, Russia Today, etc. And as a result we have this war. ENOG is dead from 2014. I don't know how we're going to meet russians on other events in future, I cannot think about that right now. I clearly understand that this discussion is not a right place for my texts, but someone had to say that. To those who's still supporting Russian politics, please have a look - streets of Kharkiv after massive shelling from russian MRLS: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905590268439916544-VRFA - unarmed ukrainians in Melitopol are forcing russian militaries to get out of city: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905804699363332096-yHd3 - Bila Tserkva after strike of cruise missile: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrii_prayforukraine-activity-69058313279127... - destroyed russian military vehicles in center of Bucha, town near Kyiv: https://cdn3.suspilne.media/images/resize/1040x2.5/6230fcffacf26b80.jpg - ukrainian soldies are evacuating civilians from Irpen, destroyed by russian shellings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_QG8YBgGI&t=114s ... and so on, so on, infinite photos and videos of how Russia "protects" people. And after all these crimes someone are trying to keep "ENOG community"? We're really going to vote?! Moreover, someone keeps supporting Russia? Hey, Italian person, cowardly hiding your real name behind a role, do you support killing of peaceful civilians? Don't you think that Ukraine will forget about that? Now I'm off. P.S. I kindly thank to those who support us in this war. Ukraine will win. On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 22:18:09 +0300, Зимницкий Алексей wrote:
Do not make fool of yourself
05.03.2022, 22:13, "Alexander Shikov" <a.shikov@itcons.net.ua>:
Did your grandpa support Hitler? On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 19:44:34 +0100, Amministrazione Viama srl wrote:
Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, no one understand really what happening. I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion. Thanks Russia.
Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <[1]alex@mac3.ru> ha scritto:
It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS [1]79032697800 [2][2]alex@mac3.ru
oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <[3][3]mikael@noackgroup.se>:
I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <[4][4]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <[5][5]members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. > When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I > cant't believe my eyes. > > The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely > different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. > Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, > cluster bombs kill children. > > And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality. > > If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm > them. Go to work! > > -- > Stary Bezpiek > > Слава Україні! > русский корабль иди нахуй! > > W dniu [6]05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze: > > > > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The > > Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE > > standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel > > isolated. Close all ties with Russia. > > > > George Porter > > > > ins 100x120 > > > > Integrated Network Services Ltd > > > > [7]01928 238390 > > > > [8]07956592260 > > > > [9][6]george.porter@in-services.co.uk > > > > SUPPLY - INSTALL - SUPPORT > > > > [10][7]www.in-services.co.uk <[11][8]http://www.in-services.co.uk> > > > > This message contains confidential information and is intended only > > for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you > > should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please > > notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this > > e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail > > transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as > > information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive > > late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does > > not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of > > this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. > > Integrated Network Services Limited, The Heath Business Park, > > Runcorn, Cheshire WA7 4QX. Tel [12]01928 238390. Registered in England [13]7360277. > > > > *From:*members-discuss <[14][9]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf > > Of *C A > > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 > > *To:* NOC <[15][10]noc@medsigroup.ru> > > *Cc:* ENOG <[16][11]enog@ripe.net>; [17][12]discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss > > <[18][13]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <[19][14]pc@ripe.net>; > > [20][15]support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <[21][16]pc@enog.org>; > > [22][17]exec-board@ripe.net > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? > > > > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. > > > > If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack > > of participation. > > > > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <[23][18]noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote: > > > > Спасибо, что поправили. > > ? > > > > > > С уважением, > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > Руководитель проектов > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > тел. [24]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [25]11011 > > моб.[26]+7 (915) 119-89-58 > > > > [27][19]www.medsi.ru <[28][20]http://www.medsi.ru> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [29][21]ripe@voks.ua [mailto:[30][22]ripe@voks.ua] > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM > > To: NOC <[31][23]noc@medsigroup.ru> > > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <[32][24]nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; > > [33][25]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <[34][26]enog@ripe.net>; [35][27]discuss@enog.org; > > Members Discuss <[36][28]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme > > Committee <[37][29]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <[38][30]pc@enog.org> > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не > > так ли? > > > > -- > > [39][31]www.voks.ua <[40][32]http://www.voks.ua> > > > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > > > Добрый вечер! > > > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > > > > > > > С уважением, > > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > > > Руководитель проектов > > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > > тел. 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[42]11011 > > > [43][33]www.medsi.ru <[44][34]http://www.medsi.ru> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: members-discuss > >[mailto:[45][35]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > > > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > > > To: [46][36]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <[47][37]enog@ripe.net>; > >[48][38]discuss@enog.org; > > > Members Discuss <[49][39]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme > > Committee > > > <[50][40]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <[51][41]pc@enog.org> > > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of > > ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > > > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, > > reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official > > position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > > > > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult > >emotional > > state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their > > ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this > >matter > > in the fall. > > > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > > > > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > > > Peace, > > > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will > >ever > > be, — > > > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network > > Operators > > > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that > > the RIPE > > > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the > > potential > > > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the > >RIPE > > > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating > > Ukrainian, > > > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), > >the > > > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way > >it > > could > > > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a > >programme > > for > > > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually > > recognized as > > > > ENOG at the time. > > > > > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, > >we > > > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile > > attacks_, > > > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote > > in the PC. > > > > > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I > >don't > > > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire > >RIPE > > > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further > >due > > > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the > >RIPE > > > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board > >to > > decide > > > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board > >to > > act. > > > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to > >consider any > > > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > > > > > Stay safe. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Töma > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > > [52][42]members-discuss@ripe.net > > > > [53][43]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > >[54][44]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > > > nu > > > > clearcat.com <[55][45]http://clearcat.com> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > [56][46]members-discuss@ripe.net > > > [57][47]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > >[58][48]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro > >u > > > p.ru <[59][49]http://p.ru> > >_______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > [60][50]members-discuss@ripe.net > > > [61][51]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > >[62][52]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > [63][53]members-discuss@ripe.net > > [64][54]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > > >[65][55]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail > >.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > [66][56]members-discuss@ripe.net > > [67][57]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > [68][58]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stary.bezpiec > > znik%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > [69][59]members-discuss@ripe.net > [70][60]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > [71][61]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alex%40mac3.ru _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list [72][62]members-discuss@ripe.net [73][63]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: [74][64]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/artem%40chudotelecom. ru
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Not to mention, that it will loose, unfortunately. A long lasting guerrilla warfare tops. Still, I do not get the point of taking the political mess into inter-OP cooperation, network coordination. Our duty is to provide connectivity, and keep registries. On 06.03.2022 0:30, Зимницкий Алексей wrote:
Your ostensible hysteria is so disgusting. You are a very poor performer. 06.03.2022, 00:25, "Alexander Shikov" <a.shikov@itcons.net.ua>:
I don't give a shit what you or other russia-supportes will think about me. The only thing I care about right now, is when your smelly army leaves my country. Since 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea and created so-called DPR and LPR with the hands of its puppets and regular army, we were too polite. We took care of community, we respected RIPE neutrality, and so on. Someone should remember a case from 2014, when RIPE NCC allocated resources to non-existent entity from so-called DPR.
But you see, the problem of russians is that they admit only their position. They don't care about other position or rights. They do not adhere to any international treaties. They just disrespect all other world. They were shitting in the heads of EU citizens too long via their propaganda channels like Sputnik, Russia Today, etc. And as a result we have this war.
ENOG is dead from 2014. I don't know how we're going to meet russians on other events in future, I cannot think about that right now.
I clearly understand that this discussion is not a right place for my texts, but someone had to say that.
To those who's still supporting Russian politics, please have a look - streets of Kharkiv after massive shelling from russian MRLS: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905590268439916544-VRFA - unarmed ukrainians in Melitopol are forcing russian militaries to get out of city: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905804699363332096-yHd3 - Bila Tserkva after strike of cruise missile: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrii_prayforukraine-activity-69058313279127... - destroyed russian military vehicles in center of Bucha, town near Kyiv: https://cdn3.suspilne.media/images/resize/1040x2.5/6230fcffacf26b80.jpg - ukrainian soldies are evacuating civilians from Irpen, destroyed by russian shellings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_QG8YBgGI&t=114s <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_QG8YBgGI&t=114s> ... and so on, so on, infinite photos and videos of how Russia "protects" people.
And after all these crimes someone are trying to keep "ENOG community"? We're really going to vote?! Moreover, someone keeps supporting Russia? Hey, Italian person, cowardly hiding your real name behind a role, do you support killing of peaceful civilians? Don't you think that Ukraine will forget about that?
Now I'm off.
P.S. I kindly thank to those who support us in this war. Ukraine will win.
On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 22:18:09 +0300, Зимницкий Алексей wrote:
Do not make fool of yourself
05.03.2022, 22:13, "Alexander Shikov" <a.shikov@itcons.net.ua>:
Did your grandpa support Hitler? On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 19:44:34 +0100, Amministrazione Viama srl wrote:
Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, no one understand really what happening. I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion. Thanks Russia.
Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <[1]alex@mac3.ru> ha scritto:
It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS [1]79032697800 [2][2]alex@mac3.ru
oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <[3][3]mikael@noackgroup.se>:
I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <[4][4]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <[5][5]members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. > When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I > cant't believe my eyes. > > The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely > different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. > Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, > cluster bombs kill children. > > And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality. > > If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm > them. Go to work! > > -- > Stary Bezpiek > > Слава Україні! > русский корабль иди нахуй! > > W dniu [6]05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze: > > > > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The > > Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE > > standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel > > isolated. Close all ties with Russia. > > > > George Porter > > > > ins 100x120 > > > > Integrated Network Services Ltd > > > > [7]01928 238390 > > > > [8]07956592260 > > > > [9][6]george.porter@in-services.co.uk > > > > SUPPLY - INSTALL - SUPPORT > > > > [10][7]www.in-services.co.uk <https://www.in-services.co.uk/> <[11][8]http://www.in-services.co.uk> > > > > This message contains confidential information and is intended only > > for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you > > should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please > > notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this > > e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail > > transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as > > information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive > > late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does > > not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of > > this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. > > Integrated Network Services Limited, The Heath Business Park, > > Runcorn, Cheshire WA7 4QX. Tel [12]01928 238390. Registered in England [13]7360277. > > > > *From:*members-discuss <[14][9]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf > > Of *C A > > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 > > *To:* NOC <[15][10]noc@medsigroup.ru> > > *Cc:* ENOG <[16][11]enog@ripe.net>; [17][12]discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss > > <[18][13]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <[19][14]pc@ripe.net>; > > [20][15]support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <[21][16]pc@enog.org>; > > [22][17]exec-board@ripe.net > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? > > > > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. > > > > If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack > > of participation. > > > > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <[23][18]noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote: > > > > Спасибо, что поправили. > > ? > > > > > > С уважением, > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > Руководитель проектов > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > тел. [24]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [25]11011 > > моб.[26]+7 (915) 119-89-58 > > > > [27][19]www.medsi.ru <https://www.medsi.ru/> <[28][20]http://www.medsi.ru> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [29][21]ripe@voks.ua [mailto:[30][22]ripe@voks.ua] > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM > > To: NOC <[31][23]noc@medsigroup.ru> > > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <[32][24]nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; > > [33][25]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <[34][26]enog@ripe.net>; [35][27]discuss@enog.org; > > Members Discuss <[36][28]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme > > Committee <[37][29]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <[38][30]pc@enog.org> > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не > > так ли? > > > > -- > > [39][31]www.voks.ua <https://www.voks.ua/> <[40][32]http://www.voks.ua> > > > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > > > Добрый вечер! > > > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > > > > > > > С уважением, > > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > > > Руководитель проектов > > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > > тел. [41]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [42]11011 > > > [43][33]www.medsi.ru <https://www.medsi.ru/> <[44][34]http://www.medsi.ru> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: members-discuss > >[mailto:[45][35]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > > > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > > > To: [46][36]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <[47][37]enog@ripe.net>; > >[48][38]discuss@enog.org; > > > Members Discuss <[49][39]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme > > Committee > > > <[50][40]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <[51][41]pc@enog.org> > > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of > > ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > > > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, > > reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official > > position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > > > > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult > >emotional > > state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their > > ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this > >matter > > in the fall. > > > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > > > > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > > > Peace, > > > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will > >ever > > be, — > > > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network > > Operators > > > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that > > the RIPE > > > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the > > potential > > > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the > >RIPE > > > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating > > Ukrainian, > > > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), > >the > > > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way > >it > > could > > > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a > >programme > > for > > > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually > > recognized as > > > > ENOG at the time. > > > > > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, > >we > > > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile > > attacks_, > > > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote > > in the PC. > > > > > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I > >don't > > > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire > >RIPE > > > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further > >due > > > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the > >RIPE > > > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board > >to > > decide > > > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board > >to > > act. > > > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to > >consider any > > > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > > > > > Stay safe. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Töma > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > > [52][42]members-discuss@ripe.net > > > > [53][43]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > >[54][44]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > > > nu > > > > clearcat.com <[55][45]http://clearcat.com> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > [56][46]members-discuss@ripe.net > > > [57][47]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > >[58][48]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro > >u > > > p.ru <[59][49]http://p.ru> > >_______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > [60][50]members-discuss@ripe.net > > > [61][51]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > >[62][52]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > [63][53]members-discuss@ripe.net > > [64][54]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > > >[65][55]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail > >.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > [66][56]members-discuss@ripe.net > > [67][57]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > [68][58]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stary.bezpiec > > znik%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > [69][59]members-discuss@ripe.net > [70][60]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > [71][61]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alex%40mac3.ru _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list [72][62]members-discuss@ripe.net [73][63]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: [74][64]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/artem%40chudotelecom. ru
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+1 On 05.03.2022 22:18, Зимницкий Алексей wrote:
Do not make fool of yourself 05.03.2022, 22:13, "Alexander Shikov" <a.shikov@itcons.net.ua>:
Did your grandpa support Hitler?
On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 19:44:34 +0100, Amministrazione Viama srl wrote:
Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, no one understand really what happening. I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion. Thanks Russia.
Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <alex@mac3.ru> ha scritto:
It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh? Alexey Berezhnev CEO MACTREE SYSTEMS [1]79032697800 [2]alex@mac3.ru
oh those sweet dreams…….
Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz <[3]mikael@noackgroup.se>:
I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world. Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country. Just shut them down. Regards mikael krantz -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: members-discuss <[4]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> För alex Skickat: Saturday, 5 March 2022 10:30 Till: members-discuss <[5]members-discuss@ripe.net> Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. > When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I > cant't believe my eyes. > > The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely > different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. > Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, > cluster bombs kill children. > > And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality. > > If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm > them. Go to work! > > -- > Stary Bezpiek > > Слава Україні! > русский корабль иди нахуй! > > W dniu [6]05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze: > > > > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The > > Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE > > standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel > > isolated. Close all ties with Russia. > > > > George Porter > > > > ins 100x120 > > > > Integrated Network Services Ltd > > > > [7]01928 238390 > > > > [8]07956592260 > > > > [9]george.porter@in-services.co.uk > > > > SUPPLY - INSTALL - SUPPORT > > > > [10]www.in-services.co.uk <https://www.in-services.co.uk/> <[11]http://www.in-services.co.uk> > > > > This message contains confidential information and is intended only > > for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you > > should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please > > notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this > > e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail > > transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as > > information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive > > late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does > > not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of > > this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. > > Integrated Network Services Limited, The Heath Business Park, > > Runcorn, Cheshire WA7 4QX. Tel [12]01928 238390. Registered in England [13]7360277. > > > > *From:*members-discuss <[14]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf > > Of *C A > > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 > > *To:* NOC <[15]noc@medsigroup.ru> > > *Cc:* ENOG <[16]enog@ripe.net>; [17]discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss > > <[18]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <[19]pc@ripe.net>; > > [20]support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <[21]pc@enog.org>; > > [22]exec-board@ripe.net > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? > > > > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. > > > > If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack > > of participation. > > > > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <[23]noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote: > > > > Спасибо, что поправили. > > ? > > > > > > С уважением, > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > Руководитель проектов > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > тел. [24]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [25]11011 > > моб.[26]+7 (915) 119-89-58 > > > > [27]www.medsi.ru <https://www.medsi.ru/> <[28]http://www.medsi.ru> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [29]ripe@voks.ua [mailto:[30]ripe@voks.ua] > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM > > To: NOC <[31]noc@medsigroup.ru> > > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <[32]nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; > > [33]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <[34]enog@ripe.net>; [35]discuss@enog.org; > > Members Discuss <[36]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme > > Committee <[37]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <[38]pc@enog.org> > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не > > так ли? > > > > -- > > [39]www.voks.ua <https://www.voks.ua/> <[40]http://www.voks.ua> > > > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > > > Добрый вечер! > > > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > > > > > > > С уважением, > > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > > > > > Руководитель проектов > > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > > > Блока по информационным технологиям > > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > > > тел. [41]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [42]11011 > > > [43]www.medsi.ru <https://www.medsi.ru/> <[44]http://www.medsi.ru> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: members-discuss > >[mailto:[45]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > > > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > > > To: [46]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <[47]enog@ripe.net>; > >[48]discuss@enog.org; > > > Members Discuss <[49]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme > > Committee > > > <[50]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <[51]pc@enog.org> > > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > > > > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of > > ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > > > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, > > reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official > > position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > > > > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult > >emotional > > state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their > > ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this > >matter > > in the fall. > > > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > > > > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > > > Peace, > > > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will > >ever > > be, — > > > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network > > Operators > > > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that > > the RIPE > > > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the > > potential > > > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the > >RIPE > > > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating > > Ukrainian, > > > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), > >the > > > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way > >it > > could > > > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a > >programme > > for > > > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually > > recognized as > > > > ENOG at the time. > > > > > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, > >we > > > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile > > attacks_, > > > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote > > in the PC. > > > > > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I > >don't > > > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire > >RIPE > > > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further > >due > > > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the > >RIPE > > > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board > >to > > decide > > > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board > >to > > act. > > > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to > >consider any > > > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > > > > > Stay safe. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Töma > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > > [52]members-discuss@ripe.net > > > > [53]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > >[54]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > > > nu > > > > clearcat.com <[55]http://clearcat.com> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > [56]members-discuss@ripe.net > > > [57]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > >[58]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigro > >u > > > p.ru <[59]http://p.ru> > >_______________________________________________ > > > members-discuss mailing list > > > [60]members-discuss@ripe.net > > > [61]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > >[62]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > [63]members-discuss@ripe.net > > [64]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > > >[65]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail > >.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > [66]members-discuss@ripe.net > > [67]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > [68]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/stary.bezpiec > > znik%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > [69]members-discuss@ripe.net > [70]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > [71]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alex%40mac3.ru _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list [72]members-discuss@ripe.net [73]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: [74]https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/artem%40chudotelecom....
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05.03.2022 11:29, alex пишет:
I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
For Putin's flatterer... And armed aggression, respectively, is allowed? Your requirements are one-sided. Ukrainian want to work and develop the IT industry. Instead, we have to sit in basements and shelters, hiding from rocket fire. Do not argue, focus on ending the war.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I cant't believe my eyes.
The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster bombs kill children.
And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm them. Go to work!
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W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
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*From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *C A *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42 *To:* NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> *Cc:* ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>; exec-board@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation.
Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
Спасибо, что поправили. ?
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-----Original Message----- From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>; exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли?
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On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote > Добрый вечер! > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! > > > С уважением, > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич > > Руководитель проектов > Департамента развития инфраструктуры > Блока по информационным технологиям > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG > > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. > > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > > Peace, > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential > > future meetings indefinitely. > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared > > Internet space among the communities. > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as > > ENOG at the time. > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any > > future alignments to replace ENOG. > > > > Stay safe. > > > > -- > > Töma > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss@ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 > > nu > > clearcat.com <http://clearcat.com> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigrou > p.ru <http://p.ru> _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss@ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail.com
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Hi there, I see here an evident issue. You see, first of all, ENOG is a community, not an event or a trademark. And you cannot force somebody to be a part of the community. Like, operators from Russia voted that operators from Ukraine have to be friends with them, or what? What we are discussing here is the question, does the joint regional community of the network operators still exist? Not each operator itself, or the industry in general, but exactly the community. And I have strong doubts that it does.
On 4 Mar 2022, at 21:06, Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> wrote:
If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely. Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities. In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time. Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG. Stay safe. -- Töma _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40nuclearc... <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40nuclearcat.com>
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On 2022-03-04 22:28, Alex Semenyaka wrote:
Hi there,
I see here an evident issue. You see, first of all, ENOG is a community, not an event or a trademark. And you cannot force somebody to be a part of the community. Like, operators from Russia voted that operators from Ukraine have to be friends with them, or what? As far as I remember, membership in ENOG is voluntary, and no one is forced to stay. If someone have a difficult psychological situation, and he think that it is hard to be in such group, it is his right to leave such group/society, this is called personal freedom.
I want to remind that attempts of individuals to decide for a large number of people - violates the right of these people for personal choice and called a dictatorship.
On 4 Mar 2022, at 21:06, Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> wrote: If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely. Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities. In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time. Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG. Stay safe. -- Töma _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe:
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Peace, On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 9:07 PM Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> wrote:
If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures.
To be fair, we're in the middle of a democratic procedure *right now*. It's been a while (24 hours to be precise) for the community members to stand against the proposal I've made. We typically assumed 300-500 participants during a face to face ENOG event each time, once or twice a year. I have announced that these hundreds if not thousands of people won't ever be visiting ENOG meetings in the foreseeable future. With a message extreme as that, we've got, estimating roughly, much less than 20 complaints in 24 hours. ...Got nothing else to add. Please stay safe no matter what. -- Töma
Peace to all I did not contribute to ENOG activities, but I have followed all the discussions and learned a lot from them. Now I see great indignation that comes from the words of Ukrainian colleagues. They have a right! I am ashamed of the actions of my country. I must apologize for this. I understand that now we have no opportunity to be a Community. Maybe in a few years... I hope At the same time: "You have to make the good out of the bad because that is all you have got to make it out of" Aleksandr От: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> От имени пользователя Töma Gavrichenkov Отправлено: 5 марта 2022 г. 5:35 Кому: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> Копия: ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss <discuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>; exec-board <exec-board@ripe.net> Тема: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Peace, On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 9:07 PM Denys Fedoryshchenko < <mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> wrote: If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. To be fair, we're in the middle of a democratic procedure *right now*. It's been a while (24 hours to be precise) for the community members to stand against the proposal I've made. We typically assumed 300-500 participants during a face to face ENOG event each time, once or twice a year. I have announced that these hundreds if not thousands of people won't ever be visiting ENOG meetings in the foreseeable future. With a message extreme as that, we've got, estimating roughly, much less than 20 complaints in 24 hours. ...Got nothing else to add. Please stay safe no matter what. -- Töma
+ 05.03.2022 10:27, sav пишет:
Peace to all
I did not contribute to ENOG activities, but I have followed all the discussions and learned a lot from them. Now I see great indignation that comes from the words of Ukrainian colleagues. They have a right! I am ashamed of the actions of my country. I must apologize for this. I understand that now we have no opportunity to be a Community. Maybe in a few years... I hope
At the same time:
"You have to make the good out of the bad because that is all you have got to make it out of"
Aleksandr
*От**:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *От****имени****пользователя***Töma Gavrichenkov *Отправлено**:*5 марта2022 г. 5:35 *Кому**:*Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> *Копия**:*ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss <discuss@enog.org>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>; exec-board <exec-board@ripe.net> *Тема**:*Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Peace,
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 9:07 PM Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com <mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>> wrote:
If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures.
To be fair, we're in the middle of a democratic procedure *right now*.
It's been a while (24 hours to be precise) for the community members to stand against the proposal I've made.
We typically assumed 300-500 participants during a face to face ENOG event each time, once or twice a year. I have announced that these hundreds if not thousands of people won't ever be visiting ENOG meetings in the foreseeable future.
With a message extreme as that, we've got, estimating roughly, much less than 20 complaints in 24 hours.
...Got nothing else to add.
Please stay safe no matter what.
--
Töma
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I do support the dissolving of ENOG in it's todays form. PS: I'm from Mykolaiyv, Ukraine. While I'm writing this the russian tanks are fireing to Kulbakino (part of Mykolayiv) airport. On 04-03-2022 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Projecting aggression and emotions onto uninvolved organizations and citizens is not the best way to resist the conflict, but only a way to ignite a new conflict. Do not succumb to the most powerful propaganda and information warfare from both sides of the conflict. Ripe has always been politically neutral, let's stick with that. 05.03.2022 10:56, Oleg Chernov пишет:
I do support the dissolving of ENOG in it's todays form.
PS: I'm from Mykolaiyv, Ukraine. While I'm writing this the russian tanks are fireing to Kulbakino (part of Mykolayiv) airport.
On 04-03-2022 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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OK, let's do it in politically correct and democratic way, voting ? On 05-03-2022 08:31, Info via members-discuss wrote:
Projecting aggression and emotions onto uninvolved organizations and citizens is not the best way to resist the conflict, but only a way to ignite a new conflict. Do not succumb to the most powerful propaganda and information warfare from both sides of the conflict. Ripe has always been politically neutral, let's stick with that.
05.03.2022 10:56, Oleg Chernov пишет:
I do support the dissolving of ENOG in it's todays form.
PS: I'm from Mykolaiyv, Ukraine. While I'm writing this the russian tanks are fireing to Kulbakino (part of Mykolayiv) airport.
On 04-03-2022 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Obviously, if a chairman resides, a new chairman to be elected
OK, let's do it in politically correct and democratic way, voting ?
On 05-03-2022 08:31, Info via members-discuss wrote:
Projecting aggression and emotions onto uninvolved organizations and citizens is not the best way to resist the conflict, but only a way to ignite a new conflict. Do not succumb to the most powerful propaganda and information warfare from both sides of the conflict. Ripe has always been politically neutral, let's stick with that.
05.03.2022 10:56, Oleg Chernov пишет:
I do support the dissolving of ENOG in it's todays form.
PS: I'm from Mykolaiyv, Ukraine. While I'm writing this the russian tanks are fireing to Kulbakino (part of Mykolayiv) airport.
On 04-03-2022 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Am 05.03.2022 um 07:31 schrieb Info via members-discuss:
Projecting aggression and emotions onto uninvolved organizations and citizens is not the best way to resist the conflict, but only a way to ignite a new conflict. Do not succumb to the most powerful propaganda and information warfare from both sides of the conflict. Ripe has always been politically neutral, let's stick with that.
+1
05.03.2022 10:56, Oleg Chernov пишет:
I do support the dissolving of ENOG in it's todays form.
PS: I'm from Mykolaiyv, Ukraine. While I'm writing this the russian tanks are fireing to Kulbakino (part of Mykolayiv) airport.
On 04-03-2022 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Dear all, I have replied to this thread on the ENOG mailing list as I believe that this matter should be discussed on that list rather across multiple lists. https://lists.enog.org/pipermail/discuss/2022-March/000936.html <https://lists.enog.org/pipermail/discuss/2022-March/000936.html> Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC
On 4 Mar 2022, at 02:43, Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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