I've kept away of all this discussion.
Despite I condemn all sort of violence, attacks, war, etc... I don't think or agree that Russia should be excluded from RIPE.
Don't condemn the people for their government actions.

Note: RIPE is not and should not take part of political issues or decisions. RIPE should always be kept independent and neutral.

That is my opinion. It's not our job to play God.

Had this said, stop harassing members and ask to take actions on unrelated political problems.

My taughts are with Ukrainian people and Russian people that fight their government.

Peace for all.
Em 5/03/2022, em 10:43, "Mikael mk. Krantz" <mikael@noackgroup.se> escreveu:
I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia  and I would like all the ip-resources taken back from Russia. 
There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any access to resources from the rest of the world.
Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.

Just shut them down.

Regards
mikael krantz

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I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances.
When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I
cant't believe my eyes.

The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely
different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass.
Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses,
cluster bombs kill children.

And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.

If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm
them. Go to work!

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W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:

The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The
Russian army is  killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE
standup and be counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel
isolated. Close all ties with Russia.

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*From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf
Of *C A
*Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42
*To:* NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru>
*Cc:* ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss
<members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc@ripe.net>;
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exec-board@ripe.net
*Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG

Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?

The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.

If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack
of participation.

Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.

On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:

     Спасибо, что поправили.
     ?


     С уважением,
     Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич

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     -----Original Message-----
     From: ripe@voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua]
     Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM
     To: NOC <noc@medsigroup.ru>
     Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>;
     exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>; discuss@enog.org;
     Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
     Committee <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>
     Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG

     Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не
     так ли?

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     On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
     > Добрый вечер!
     > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы!
     >
     >
     > С уважением,
     > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
     >
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     > Департамента развития инфраструктуры
     > Блока по информационным технологиям
     > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ»
     > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011
     > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru>
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: members-discuss
[mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On
     > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko
     > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM
     > To: exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG <enog@ripe.net>;
discuss@enog.org;
     > Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
     Committee
     > <pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc@enog.org>
     > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
     >
     > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of
     ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures.
     > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community,
     reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official
     position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
     >
     > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult
emotional
     state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their
     ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this
matter
     in the fall.
     > I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
     >
     > Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
     >
     >
     > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
     > > Peace,
     > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will
ever
     be, —
     > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
     > >
     > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network
     Operators
     > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that
     the RIPE
     > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the
     potential
     > > future meetings indefinitely.
     > >
     > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the
RIPE
     > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating
     Ukrainian,
     > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other
     > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared
     > > Internet space among the communities.
     > >
     > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events),
the
     > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way
it
     could
     > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a
programme
     for
     > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually
     recognized as
     > > ENOG at the time.
     > >
     > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this
     > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however,
we
     > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile
     attacks_,
     > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote
     in the PC.
     > >
     > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I
don't
     > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire
RIPE
     > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further
due
     > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the
RIPE
     > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
     > >
     > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board
to
     decide
     > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board
to
     act.
     > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to
consider any
     > > future alignments to replace ENOG.
     > >
     > > Stay safe.
     > >
     > > --
     > > Töma
     > >
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