Model A is extremely costly and disruptive for everyone involved. I'm very much against this and very much for "let the market decide" as it currently already does. Arguably, there is a valid and liquid market and several buyers/sellers. The issue at hand seems to be that people do not seem to accept that IPv4 addresses have been spent and would like to obtain addresses by weird clawback schemes. Kaj ________________________________ From: Michal Prokes via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2026 13:52 To: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced Dear all, Unfortunately, the models presented here are somewhat focused on address leasing. The payment scheme we are discussing at length here should be supplemented by a commitment from RIPE regarding address space management. Then we wouldn’t have to blame each other over whether large or small entities should save money. Model A. Everyone will pay the same. At the same time, RIPE will commit to distributing address space fairly. It will find a methodology to determine the needs of individual LIRs and will regularly redistribute address space so that all LIRs have, as far as possible, the same percentage shortage of the limited number of addresses. Or it will at least regularly reduce the largest allocations to meet at least the basic needs of new LIRs. This means a lot of work for RIPE and for the LIRs themselves (frequent reallocations). However, all members will face similar problems (with address shortages and reallocations), yet they will all be able to function effectively. The nonsensical market for reselling IPv4 addresses will come to an end. Model B. LIRs with insufficient allocations will accept that RIPE cannot guarantee them a fair allocation, but at least they will save on fees. Those with large allocations will pay a higher fee. If they have such a surplus of addresses that they cannot profit from them despite the higher fee, nothing prevents them from returning a portion. M. Prokes Translated with DeepL.com (free version) Dne 23.04.2026 v 10:24 Simon Lockhart napsal(a):
When will you get into your head that this isn't about rental of IPv4 address space (the model you seem to be pushing), but rather about modelling how the costs for a database (and community resource) provider should be apportioned amongst its members.
One /8 takes up as much space in a database (1 row) as a /24 (1 row).
Simon
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