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Re: [members-discuss] IP transfer (in)security
by Mike Burns 09 May '18

09 May '18

Hi Dana, We are RIPE brokers and the use of escrow is an appropriate way to ensure safety for both parties. We haven't dealt with you so I am free to comment. The key is to establish the release of funds to the seller is connected to the definition of a successful transfer performed by RIPE. Usually we ensure the relevant Whois entries have been changed, and can be confirmed by the escrow agent via RIPE's public Whois server. The assumption is that the change in Whois is the definition of transfer completion. If Whois does not change within a specified time period, or parties are notified by RIPE of a failed transfer, then the escrow agent returns funds to the buyer. This structure is important because in every transfer there is an uncontrollable third-party (RIPE) with veto power. We have completed over 500 transfers, and in only one case was there a Whois change that was later challenged by RIPE, and that was a legacy transfer which has certain different characteristics from a non-legacy transfer. So your broker is steering you in the right direction to ensure protection for both buyer and seller. You just need a trustworthy third-party to act as escrow agent, somebody unrelated to buyer or seller whom both trust to hold the funds while RIPE processes the transfer, and releases to seller upon completion or back to buyer if the transfer fails. Most escrow agents will release funds to the seller with the buyer acceptance of the completion of the transfer. Buyer acknowledges receipt, and funds are then released. We prefer escrow agents who do not require buyer release, but who can depend on monitoring and verifying Whois changes themselves, since RIPE makes the data publicly accessible. Then when Whois changes, there is no way for the buyer to prevent release of funds to the seller for any reason. We find IPv4 transfer to be largely risk-free with the use of appropriate escrow agents. You should get reference from the escrow agent of course. Regards and good luck, Mike Burns ------- Original Message ------- >From : Dana Konkin (Onwave)[mailto:Dana.Konkin@onwave.com] Sent : 5/9/2018 7:54:37 AM To : members-discuss(a)ripe.net Cc : Subject : RE: [members-discuss] IP transfer (in)security Greetings all. We have gone to a RIPE broker to obtain IPs that we badly need for upcoming customers. Never having been through this process before I am slightly timid because of the cost of IPs these days, and so the plan is to use escrow. So, my question relates to how to avoid getting my employer to hand out a wad of cash without a clear means to be totally secure that they will be able to use the IPs. Is it possible to obtain from RIPE a guaranteed way for the Escrow agent to check with 100% accuracy that the IP transfer has been accepted by RIPE, that we can begin announcing and using the prefix, and that my company is safe to release money to the seller of the IP addresses? Thanks very much Dana PS -My apology for not being able to find any previous answer to this in the archives.

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Multiple LIR account mergers
by Aleksey Bulgakov 04 May '18

04 May '18

Hello, all. What do you think if the NCC allow to merge accounts of the same company without 24 months restriction? I thing this question should be discussed on the RIPE meeting in Marseille. ----- Kind regards, Alexey

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Destek Talebi Oluşturulamadı
by Fiber Server İnternet Teknolojileri 03 May '18

03 May '18

Sayın; members-discuss(a)ripe.net, Destek sistemimize göndermiş olduğunuz mesaj, kayıtlı bir müşterimizin adresinden gönderildiği için kabul edilmemiştir. Desteğe ihtiyacınız varsa lütfen kayıtlı posta adresinizle sisteme giriş yaparak yeni talep oluşturunuz. https://www.fiberserver.net.tr/clientarea.php https://www.fiberserver.net.tr/submitticket.php https://www.fiberserver.net.tr/announcements.php https://www.fiberserver.net.tr/knowledgebase.php

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Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers
by info＠hipernet.com.tr 03 May '18

03 May '18

Sayın Abonemiz arızanız alınmıştır. Ekiplerimiz en kısa sürede sizinle iletişime geçecektir.

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Russian government blocked 18mln IPs at 20/04/2018
by Juri 30 Apr '18

30 Apr '18

Hello everybody, Short update. Russian authorities block about 18.858 mln IPv4 right now trying to get Telegram messenger down with no success. Life statistics and graphs https://usher2.club/en/ A lot of services where affected. RKN added to block list big IPs block of Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Digital Ocean, Aruba, OVH, Hezner. They started to block popular Europe datacenters. Such things should never happen, Internet should be protected from such issues. Just examples (information from https://t.me/rknshowtime) Blocked subnets: 35.176.0.0/15 - Amazon Data Services UK 51.15.0.0/16 - ONLINE_NET_DEDICATED_SERVERS_NL 18.204.0.0/14 - Amazon Technologies Inc. 91.121.0.0/16 - OVH SAS 46.101.128.0/17 - Digital Ocean, Inc. 185.166.212.0/23 - Clouding.io Virtual Machine Hosting 178.63.0.0/16 - Hetzner Online GmbH 51.136.0.0/15 - Microsoft Limited UK 18.218.0.0/16 - Amazon Technologies Inc. 18.236.0.0/15 - Amazon.com, Inc. 54.64.0.0/13 - Amazon Technologies Inc. 23.251.128.0/19 - Google LLC 174.138.0.0/17 - DigitalOcean, LLC 188.166.0.0/17 - Digital Ocean, Inc. 159.203.0.0/16 - DigitalOcean, LLC 128.199.0.0/16 - DigitalOcean Cloud 159.65.0.0/16 - DigitalOcean, LLC Any blacklisting buy networks is a bad idea. -- Juri +7 (499) 346-76-29

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Russian government blocked 2mln IPs at 16/04/2018
by Juri 24 Apr '18

24 Apr '18

Good time of day! I want to bring up discussion about situation in Internet inside Russian Federation. I find current situation not good for Internet, not good for RIPE community, for ISPs and for progress itself. Short background. Russian government asked Telegram messenger service (like Viber, Watsup, etc, they can be the next) to give them keys of end-to-end encryption between users. Telegram refused to give it because it stands for freedom, constitution rights of people and telegram says it's not possible to give that keys because they don't have it. At least at Friday 13 of April 2018 they blocked websites of Telegram and at Monday 16 they blocked all technical networks of Telegram inside Russian Federation. This Monday was really nice and fun day when users of the Telegram, the most popular messenger application in Russia, started to add VPN/Socks settings to unblock telegram. Telegram users are good in IT and a lot of people keep telegram online and use it. What did Russian government (who keeps using Telegram messenger as well) started to do? Yes, They started to block VPN services that gives free socks5 proxies and VPNs for telegram users. A lot of such services were based on Amazon Cloud. So, at the evening RKN (aka Roskonadzor, advisory of telecom) started to add IPv4 networks in Russian blocklist (= blackhole). Example of networks that were added to Russian blocklist/blackhole Amazone <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T17:35:00+03:00">52.58.0.0/15</ipSubnet> <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T17:47:00+03:00">18.196.0.0/15</ipSubnet> <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T17:47:00+03:00">18.194.0.0/15</ipSubnet> <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T19:57:00+03:00">18.184.0.0/15</ipSubnet> <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T17:47:00+03:00">35.156.0.0/14</ipSubnet> GOOGLE CLOUD <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T20:21:00+03:00">35.192.0.0/12</ipSubnet> A lot of businesses were affected even some bank companies, processing and others who where using Amazon services. Amount of small companies affected is very large. Big companies? Apple services were affected too as I found. A lot of application use Amazon cloud. Just for info. Some time ago Russian gov wanted to integrate blackhole based on BGP (and that's bring up the question about whole internet stability). Because they break local internet time to time. You can track amount of IPs in blocklist monitoring at https://2018.schors.spb.ru/ A lot of news web sites write about this situation. Сonclusion. I don't find this situation suitable for any country. I know and fully understand that it's not easy to find consensus in discussions of such things. But I wish and I want community think about such issues. They should not happen in any country. We are as RIPE community are responsible for Internet stability and safety and making this Internet better. I want RIPE community offer how we should protect normal internet users of all countries from unintelligent, irrational and very bad behavior of local authorities. I think it's not good idea to assign any IPs for such authorities. Consensus should be found. -- Juri NTX Hosting

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
by Sergey Myasoedov 17 Apr '18

17 Apr '18

Dear Axel, Thank you for publishing the reports. It's very nice to put 7.5 MEur of opex as 'Internal' as mentioned on the page 7 of the Annual Report, but this amount is 1/3 of total opex. Can this amount be explained? -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov You wrote Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 4:08:43 PM: > Dear RIPE NCC members, > The following important documents are now online: > - RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 > - RIPE NCC Financial Report 2017 > - RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019 > All three are supporting documents for the RIPE NCC General Meeting > (GM), which takes place from 16-18 May 2018. Members will vote to > approve the Financial Report and the Charging Scheme at the GM. > The full list of supporting documents is available at: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/supporting-d… > If you have any feedback, please email <agm(a)ripe.net>. > We ask all RIPE NCC members to register for the GM so they can vote on > these documents, as well as in the Executive Board elections that will > take place at the GM. Full remote participation is possible for those > who cannot attend the meeting in Marseille. > We previously announced that publication of these documents would take > place on 4 April. We apologise for the delay. > All information on the GM, including the draft agenda and how to > register to participate remotely, is included on the GM homepage: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/ > Best regards, > Axel Pawlik > Managing Director > RIPE NCC -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
by "R. Engür Pişirici" 13 Apr '18

13 Apr '18

and... please stop acting like a child... it can be easily related person/ip addr. so, stop pretending someone else and stop trying to unsubscribe mailing list with fake information. as we all know that, this behaviour violates ripeNcc rules and it is against laws. Best Regards, -engur > On 13 Apr 2018, at 17:09, Ercan Ermis <ercan(a)vargonen.com> wrote: > > Hello All, > > These emails are started to annoying but it is okay. Here is the tip for this endless conversation; if you like to read all things create a rule for your Inbox health and move the email automatically. If you do not give a fuck just create a rule for auto deletion. > > And please stop the talking political science because you are not a politician. Who want to war on thıs lovely planet? We have to work for a better internet and services, that’s it. > > Greetings from Turkey. > Ercan Ermiş > [root@vargonen ~]# > Linux System Administrator > Vargonen Teknoloji ve Bilişim Sanayi Ticaret A.Ş. > Ankara Caddesi No:81 | Bayraklı Tower Kat :19 |Bayraklı | Izmir > ercan(a)vargonen.com | +90 850 660 00 99 > > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Bunea TELECOM > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:02 PM > To: Engür Rıza Pişirici <engur(a)bilkent.edu.tr> > Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019 > > Oh, I’m sorry, but this discussion is really out of hand. Are you talking about moving RIPE offices because of lower costs in certain parts of the world ? I think this is insane to even bring to subject such matters. > Ripe is based in Netherlands, one of the best and most respected countries on Earth, and it should remain there. Proposing to move RIPE or even propose for RIPE to open offices in parts of the world that are politically, military and economically unstable (like Turkey or Russia) is simply BS. > Even in my country, with a socialist Government we have political and economical uncertainties just about every other week. > > To be honest, the only place I would RIPE to open offices any time soon is in London, which is one of the financial and IT capitals of the EU (so far). The entire world really needs to be focused on the West in every aspect possible, rather than heading East. > > Sincerely, > — > > > <image001.jpg> > > > > > Petru Bunea / CEO > suport(a)bunea.eu / +40752481282 > Bunea TELECOM / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT > http://www.bunea.eu / +40745495495 > > > On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:23, Engür Rıza Pişirici <engur(a)bilkent.edu.tr> wrote: > > Hello All, > > Istanbul might be good idea if RIPE NCC really want to move some parts of their office to Eastern Europe. > > Best Regards, > > -engur > tr.bilkent > > > On 12 Apr 2018, at 22:35, Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > So what do you think about moving a part of the office of the RIPE to Eastern Europe (registration services, customer services, technicians), and leaving the management in the Netherlands? This will reduce spending for electricity, wages, taxes, and, consequently, membership fees. > > чт, 12 Апр 2018 г., 21:41 Gert Doering <gert(a)space.net>: > Hi, > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 01:09:47PM +0300, Juri wrote: > > Gerg, please don't move away point of main question. > > All those things should be discussed separately. > > As people join the NCC *only* because it's cheaper to get an IPv4 /22 > that way, and not for any other reason (like, IPv6, or voting rights, > or "because they want to be part of the Internet community") - as long > as this is (quite visibly) happening, you cannot separate resource > consumption from fee structure. > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmai… > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/engur%40bilkent.edu.… > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu >

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Re: [members-discuss] List of countries and corresponding RIRs
by Sergey S. 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

William, I'd like to see the same information given here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/internet-governance/internet-technical-com…, but in a format one can parse. On 03/05/2018 02:03 PM, w(a)william.co.il wrote: > Ho do you define "corresponding"? > Eg. A LOT of LIRs are incorporated in UK but do not use any space > there, or even have any business there. > I am not even incorporated in Europe, yet use all my space there. > > > -- > William > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 10:29, Sergey S. <gforgx(a)fotontel.ru> wrote: > > Hi! > > RIPE NCC publishes the list of countries and corresponding RIRs here: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/internet-governance/internet-technical-com…. > > Unfortunately, it's an HTML page and not a plain text/CSV/JSON/XML > (or > any other format one can parse automatically). Does IANA (or any > other > body) publish it this way? Actually, what would be the proper way > to map > a country (or country code) to the respective RIR? > > Thank you! > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/william%40william.si >

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List of countries and corresponding RIRs
by Sergey S. 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

Hi! RIPE NCC publishes the list of countries and corresponding RIRs here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/internet-governance/internet-technical-com…. Unfortunately, it's an HTML page and not a plain text/CSV/JSON/XML (or any other format one can parse automatically). Does IANA (or any other body) publish it this way? Actually, what would be the proper way to map a country (or country code) to the respective RIR? Thank you!

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