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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Bastiaan, I did send an image to RIPE AGM but unfortunately they didn't display it. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Bastiaan Visser <bastiaan(a)msbv.nl> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:05 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad, you want more openness, at the same time you were the ONLY candidate that's not showing his face. Why is that? You want everything ripe related to open up while you are hiding behind your keyboard. - Bastiaan Op ma 20 jul. 2020 om 20:20 schreef Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>>: Denys, Lets see if by the end of the task group: - Board members will not be able to be re-elected and will be able to serve only one term. - Candidates will write to which RIPE NCC suppliers they are connected, if to any. - Candidates will write their plans for RIPE NCC. - Candidates will answer questions from members publicly, for example in a mailing list. - Seats will be based on regions, so all areas of RIPE will have presence in RIPE Executive Board. - Changing the type of elections so each member will only have one vote, in this way the elected in seat #1 will not be able to choose who will be elected in the seats after. Or everything will be as it is now only with obstacles for me to be nominated next year, based on it we'll know who is the populist and who is playing on the emotions of RIPE members Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat(a)nuclearcat.com<mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:05 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Cc: Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members I don't think this Task Group will be efficient with volunteer, who directly started personal attacks against group members. Unfortunately, I missed the moment of recruiting volunteers, otherwise I would have submitted my candidacy (from Lebanon). Good luck to the working group, and i hope they will manage to make rules such way, so next elections will be more peaceful and make populism and playing on the emotions of RIPE members impossible. On 2020-07-20 16:21, Elad Cohen wrote: > At least 5 members of this list (the majority of this list) are > members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project", > here goes taking care to the interests of the whole RIPE community. > > Kind Regards, > Elad > > ------------------------- > > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of > Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 3:42 PM > To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> > Subject: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task > Force Members > > Dear members, > > Following our earlier call for volunteers to join the RIPE NCC > Executive > Board Election Task Force, we are now able to confirm that the > following > members have been selected to take part: > > Erik Bais (Netherlands) > Randy Bush (Estonia) > Elad Cohen (Israel) > Carlos Friaças (Portugal) > Toma Gavrichenkov (Russia) > Sergey Myasoedov (Czech Republic) - Task Force Chair > Arnold Nipper (Germany) > Cynthia Revström (Sweden) > Jan Žorž (Slovenia) > > This group represents a good variety of regions and sectors from > across > the RIPE NCC membership and we have every confidence that they will > carry out a full and fair evaluation of the current election process. > The changes they recommend to this process will be submitted to the > membership for its consideration at the upcoming October General > Meeting. > > Further details of the rationale behind the formation of this task > force, its charter and a timeline for its actions are available at: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/ripe-ncc-executive-board-elect… > > Kind regards, > > Christian Kaufmann > Executive Board Chairman > RIPE NCC > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io > [1] > > > Links: > ------ > [1] > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40nuclear… _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/b.visser%40flexyz.com

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Fw: important
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

The beauty of RIPE. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: monox(a)matmen.tv <monox(a)matmen.tv> on behalf of Monox <monox(a)matmen.tv> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:13 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Subject: RE: important ill respect everyone when you stop pulling retarded shit like ipv4+ out of your ass, jew

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

You are 0.3% , no more than 100 people, when the RIPE community is assembled from 30,000 members, and you the 0.3% are trying to censor me. If you have any complaint then please send it directly to RIPE NCC and stop flooding the list with the same opinion which is a personal attack on me. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Vincentz Petzholtz Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 7:29 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Stuart Willet (primary); Maxi; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Many of us 0,03%ers quite do agree that you are the one who should stop. Go out and create a bad looking pre web 1.0 website like every proper conspiracy spokesman. Then we can read everything we need to know about the bad „Spamhaus Project“ without getting this list spammed. Thanks, Vincentz PS: sorry to feed the troll but I couldn’t resist standing by/behind my colleagues who already wrote Am 20.07.2020 um 18:06 schrieb Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>>: Stuart you are very eager to have this list being moderated again, please stop. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Stuart Willet (primary) <stu(a)safehosts.co.uk<mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 7:04 PM To: Maxi <maxi(a)zeug.co<mailto:maxi@zeug.co>>; Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members You also represent 0.03% what is your point, other than emphasizing your idiocy further? This is a rhetorical question and does not require an answer. Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone ---- Elad Cohen wrote ---- Thank you Stuart again like your other colleagues that are showing to us the opinion of the 0.3% Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Stuart Willet (primary) <stu(a)safehosts.co.uk<mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 6:29 PM To: Maxi <maxi(a)zeug.co<mailto:maxi@zeug.co>>; Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad, you are your own worst enemy. You make sweeping statements then call others out for spamming. You make one post which generates 20 individual replies, which you then call spam. Some of us have learned that there is no talking to you. You have decided everyone who does not agree wihh you are either spamhaus or RIPE trying to discredit you. Please, for the sake of sanity, STOP postong in members discuss. Thank you. Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone ---- Elad Cohen wrote ---- I never attacked anyone personally. And are we going to see now 100 comments on each comment of mine ? (100 comments from the close circles of executive board members that want to keep RIPE executive board exactly as it is now), 100 comments is an overstatement, approximately 20~ of people that are not representing that whole RIPE community of almost 30,000 members. If anyone (of the 0.3% members) have any complaint then please send it directly to RIPE NCC instead of spamming/flooding the list. Thank you. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Maxi <maxi(a)zeug.co<mailto:maxi@zeug.co>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:55 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: Wesley Berendsen | GxW Internet Services <wesley(a)gxw.nl<mailto:wesley@gxw.nl>>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members I fully support the proposal of removing mister Cohen too. He attacks members personally and is giving a f**k about the CoC. Maxi On 20. Jul 2020, at 16:47, Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: Wesley, I didn't "start a topic" nor a thread, I commented to an announcement that was made by RIPE Executive Board Chairman. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Wesley Berendsen | GxW Internet Services <wesley(a)gxw.nl<mailto:wesley@gxw.nl>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:29 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: Rudolf E. Steiner <r.steiner(a)nemox.net<mailto:r.steiner@nemox.net>>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad, I think you are the one here "spamming and flooding" the lists because you are starting these topics all the time. --- [GxW Internet Services]<https://www.gxw.nl/> Wesley Berendsen / GxW.nl<http://GxW.nl> wesley(a)gxw.nl<mailto:wesley@gxw.nl> GxW Internet Services www.gxw.nl<https://www.gxw.nl/> [Facebook]<https://www.facebook.com/Its0nlyM3> [Twitter] <https://twitter.com/itsonlymeNL> [Google Plus] <https://plus.google.com/u/0/113922948626646016030> [Linkedin] <https://nl.linkedin.com/pub/wesley-berendsen/25/876/89b/> [Skype] [beforeprinting] This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be corrupted, arrive late or incomplete. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. Elad Cohen schreef op 2020-07-20 16:26: Rudolf, If you or anyone else have any complaint then complain directly to RIPE NCC, please don't flood or spam the list. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Rudolf E. Steiner <r.steiner(a)nemox.net<mailto:r.steiner@nemox.net>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:22 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad Cohen wrote: [...] > I only wrote the truth. [...] *PLONK!* -- nemox.net<http://nemox.net> Rudolf E. Steiner r.steiner(a)nemox.net http://nemox.net/pdat/res/ _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/wesley%40gxw.nl _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/maxi%40zeug.co _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/v.petzholtz%40sysele…

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Sander, You sent your answers directly to me in the correspondence below and unfortunately you lied. Here are two links to private presentations about Ops-Trust: https://www.docdroid.net/xfaKhhY/f41lf3st2015-trident-toothed-and-pronged-p… https://www.docdroid.net/xqTWVQW/first-2014-vixie-paul-op-sec-trust-pdf For anyone that wrote about conspiracies I suggest to read these two presentations. They shed a light about what is happening behind the scenes,who is really controlling the internet organizations such as RIPE NCC behind the scenes, Ops-Trust community secret website is: https://portal.ops-trust.net/ Returning again to your answers below Sander, you wrote that no data is shared - but not only that data is shared according to the first presentation link above - but Ops-Trust also have a classification for the data which is shared as can be seen in page 6 of the first presentation, let me read to you what is code red from this page: "RED when information cannot be effectively acted upon by additional parties, and could lead to impacts on a party's privacy, reputation or operations if misused" All that data is being shared with Law Enforcement Agencies without any warrants. Ops-Trust is the biggest privacy violation scandal since the beginning of the internet, according to the two above presentations Ops-Trust community is being used as a system to bypass the privacy laws in the European Union and in North America. Creating a very big group of a mob-like members that vouch for each others like criminals and transferring users data between each others, without any supervision and without any regulation, secretly. Sander, according to the presentations above you are a liar and according to your admission that you are part of the Ops-Trust community you are also a criminal. Because what being done in Ops-Trust (a systematic method to overcome the privacy laws on a massive scale and without warrants) is illegal. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sander Steffann Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:57 PM To: Elad Cohen Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members > Can you share how many more people in the RIPE community are members > of the Ops-Trust community ? No > Don't you find it problematic that private data from internet > organizations and internet companies is being shared there ? (without > the approval of the internet companies and internet organizations, > and with violation of the privacy policies of the internet companies > and internet organizations towards the end-users) It isn't > And don't you find it problematic that all that data which was > obtained illegaly, is being shared without any warrant (meaning > without any supervision of law) with law enforcement agencies members > which are also members of the Ops-Trust community ? As it isn't illegally obtained data, there is no problem with sharing it with law enforcement. > Don't you see Ops-Trust community as a systematic method to bypass > the privacy laws in the European Union and in North America ? No, there is nothing even remotely like that happening in Ops-Trust;

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 20 Jul '20

20 Jul '20

Sander, --- but I am a member of the Ops-Trust community. --- Can you share how many more people in the RIPE community are members of the Ops-Trust community ? Don't you find it problematic that private data from internet organizations and internet companies is being shared there ? (without the approval of the internet companies and internet organizations, and with violation of the privacy policies of the internet companies and internet organizations towards the end-users) And don't you find it problematic that all that data which was obtained illegaly, is being shared without any warrant (meaning without any supervision of law) with law enforcement agencies members which are also members of the Ops-Trust community ? Don't you see Ops-Trust community as a systematic method to bypass the privacy laws in the European Union and in North America ? Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sander Steffann Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:40 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Hi Elad, > First of all, it is good to know that you see a membership in the > illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" as an > insultment and as not respectful. I'm not a fan of Spamhaus, but I am a member of the Ops-Trust community. > I didn't insult anyone and I didn't disrespect anyone, I only wrote > the truth. You are claiming that certain people have relations with illegal/criminal organisations. If you would write that about me I would consider that an insult/libel/etc. Just checking: are you speaking as an individual or as a member of the task force? That makes a huge difference to me. Cheers, Sander

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 20 Jul '20

20 Jul '20

Sacha, I didn't write anything about IPv4+ and I'm not going to promote it, even that I received 15% of the total votes the community made a decision regarding who was elected. My intentions are that the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" will not control RIPE NCC or any other entity. And I would like to ask the whole RIPE community to see the RIPE object screenshots in the following links, the company PlusServer of Sacha Growe created objects in RIPE for "Thomas Morrison" - a fake identity of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". https://imgur.com/a/8dW46qF https://imgur.com/a/F0XfSKn https://imgur.com/a/VZd2qW6 I hope that one day the people of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" will not give the tone here and that the tone will be give by the almost 30,000 members of the RIPE community. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sascha Growe Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 4:28 PM To: Elad Cohen; members-discuss(a)ripe.net; Christian Kaufmann Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Better “The SpamHaus Project”, than ipv4+ Regards -- Sascha Growe Head of Core Network E-Mail: sascha.growe(a)plusserver.com PlusServer GmbH Verlerstr. 6 33332 Gütersloh HRB 84977 / Amtsgericht Köln Geschäftsführer: Dr. Oliver Mauss, Jürgen Metko, Holger Müller, Dr. Frank Nellissen Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> im Auftrag von Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Datum: Montag, 20. Juli 2020 um 15:22 An: "members-discuss(a)ripe.net" <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>, Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members At least 5 members of this list (the majority of this list) are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project", here goes taking care to the interests of the whole RIPE community. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> on behalf of Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 3:42 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Dear members, Following our earlier call for volunteers to join the RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force, we are now able to confirm that the following members have been selected to take part: Erik Bais (Netherlands) Randy Bush (Estonia) Elad Cohen (Israel) Carlos Friaças (Portugal) Toma Gavrichenkov (Russia) Sergey Myasoedov (Czech Republic) - Task Force Chair Arnold Nipper (Germany) Cynthia Revström (Sweden) Jan Žorž (Slovenia) This group represents a good variety of regions and sectors from across the RIPE NCC membership and we have every confidence that they will carry out a full and fair evaluation of the current election process. The changes they recommend to this process will be submitted to the membership for its consideration at the upcoming October General Meeting. Further details of the rationale behind the formation of this task force, its charter and a timeline for its actions are available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/ripe-ncc-executive-board-elect… Kind regards, Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io

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Administrative procedures within RIPE NCC: Any way to soften it ?
by Clement Cavadore 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

Dear members, I wanted to share my recent experience regarding the painful administrative & bureaucratic procedures within RIPE NCC, and start a discussion with you, in order to see if some of you feel the same, and, if its the case, if we could make it evolve in order to enhance the "customer experience" :-). TL;DR: I feel that the due diligence procedures at RIPE NCC are too strict, and that they should be a bit more human when having to deal with administrative changes. >From my own experience, here is what happenned to me: One of my customer (let's call them A) has been a member for years, and it has been acquired/reorganized multiple times before when I started to work with him. As a responsible (new) LIR admin, I wanted to make its administrative status relevant with their real situation. That was a big mistake! While I can admit that the juridic situation was quite complex, we had to spend months in exchanging documents in order to justify every move, but in the end, the only option that we had, was to open a new LIR, and move its resources from the "legacy LIR" to the new one. We decided at some time, that it was not worth to waste more time than already done, so we did that, and A' was born (and we are going to move A resources to A'). ... but a few months later: Same player play again ! Another customer of mine (B, which is a sister company of A), needed its membership to be updated, as their original structure has been terminated (integrated in another company, partial merge, rename etc). => Well, after weeks of legal documents exchange, we were told by the RIPE NCC that all the justifications have been verified, and that was we were initially asking was OK... BUT... that they couldn't simply change the name of its LIR, because it has not been a full acquisition. The only valid/useable option would be to make B become a member on its own, and to transfer from the former LIR to that shiny new LIR (other option was to move the resources in A' and make assignations for B, but that is not an option for the end user's org). I have been talking with others members among my contacts, and they all say that having to deal with RIPE NCC on administrative topics is a pain in the ass. My question is simple: 1- Is there some ways to make RIPE NCC a bit more flexible, when the situation allows it? 2- For my particular case: Given that the "historic LIRs" from A & B only had some transferable resources, and given the fact that there were clear justification: Why not simply allowing a LIR name change? I cannot believe that the only option in order to sort out administrative mess, is to open new membership and terminate older membership. I know that RIPE NCC's income will lower in the next future, due to LIR consolidation, but at the moment, I am a bit feeling that the rigid procedures are only a mean for RIPE NCC to get new opening fee and double billing for new members/future closed members. For the RIPE NCC staff: I bet you could easily find which members I am talking about (and if not, I can share the ticket numbers in private). I can understand that your procedures have to be a bit strict in order to avoid resources Hijacks/illegal transfers, but when the situations seems understandable and correct, I'd like to see you exercise good judgment when it seems valid justifications. I just do not want to disclose the member's name publicly, as they didn't ask me to write this email. But since I am managing multiple LIRs, I thought it would be interesting to deal that topic on the membership level. If you have some experiences to share, go ahead ! Thanks for reading until the end ! -- Clément Cavadore

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