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Re: [members-discuss] Administrative procedures within RIPE NCC: Any way to soften it ?
by Athina Fragkouli 25 Jul '20

25 Jul '20

Dear Clement, all Thank you for sharing your concerns and apologies for the late reply. We recognise that providing documentation can take a lot of time and keeps you from your real work. However, we need to be clear on exactly who the resource holder is - to prevent hijacks as you note, but also to avoid legal disputes over the resources in the future. This is a risk when company structures are changing or companies are being spun off, and untangling this to see what is actually changing is not always straightforward. Our transfer procedure was updated after a board resolution in 2016 which stated that all transfers, including mergers and acquisitions, must follow the RIPE transfer policy unless supported by documentation from a national authority[1]. This closed a well-known and abused loophole that members were using to transfer resources outside of the policy. The other important point to note here is that under Dutch law, memberships are not transferrable. What we therefore need to establish in these cases is whether a separate legal entity is receiving the resources. If this is indeed what's happening, they will need to become a member. This is because a non-member cannot receive resources and they are not able to assume the membership of the company they are getting the resources from. Of course, if the receiving party is already a member, they will not have to open an additional membership to acquire the resources. Finally, it is worth noting that we have invested quite a lot of effort into improving our due diligence processes. We have recently developed an approach that should ease a lot of the burden for members in terms of documentation. We will share some more details about this in the near future. Regards Athina Fragkouli Chief Legal Officer RIPE NCC [1] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Decisions and Next Steps: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2016-April/001031.html

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EB Election Task Force and Moderating members-discuss
by Christian Kaufmann 24 Jul '20

24 Jul '20

Dear members, I would like to first address the issues around the Executive Board Election Task Force. We decided to appoint all those who volunteered for the task force. We did so to be as inclusive as possible and to ensure a wide variety of views from as diverse a group of people as possible. The board has no issues with any views regarding the election process, and it is right to give people the benefit of the doubt. However, behaviour on the mailing list and on the task force must adhere to the RIPE Mailing List/RIPE Forum Code of Conduct, which is available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/ripe-mailing-list-ripe-forum-code-of-… The board has delegated to the task force and its chair the powers to warn and if necessary remove members of the task force who do not adhere to the code of conduct. I also regret to inform you that the Executive Board has decided to again place the members-discuss mailing list in moderation. We had hoped that lifting moderation outside an election campaign would be possible, but this has proven not to be the case. Moderation will remain in place at least until the next RIPE Meeting takes place. Emails will not be approved to be posted to the list that do not meet the requirements of the code of conduct or that do not meet the intended purpose of providing members with a means to discuss membership issues among themselves. The moderators of the list will be one member of the Executive Board and one member of RIPE NCC staff. Mails will be moderated during office hours. A separate archive of all mails including those rejected by the moderators will be available for transparency at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/ Regards, Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC

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Unmoderated List on RIPE NCC Website
by Christian Kaufmann 23 Jul '20

23 Jul '20

Dear all, The unmoderated version of this mailing list is now located on the RIPE NCC website with the other membership mailing lists: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/ripe-ncc-mailing-lists Regards, Christian Kaufmann RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman

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Follow-up on Moderation of Mailing List
by Christian Kaufmann 23 Jul '20

23 Jul '20

Dear members, This week, the Executive Board placed members-discuss into moderation. We subsequently removed several messages from the archives that contained incredibly explicit, discriminating and abhorrent content. Further, these mails were impersonating representatives of RIPE NCC members and were clearly intended to be harmful to them. These mails breached the code of conduct that we expect members to follow on the mailing list on many levels. We therefore took the unprecedented step of removing the content of these mails and marked them as [Moderated] in the archives. I sincerely hope this is the last time we need to take such actions. I believe we can all agree that the behaviour that warranted the measures taken yesterday was not something we want to see again. I ask you to be civil in your discourse, to avoid aggravating fellow members and member representatives, and above all to treat each other with the respect that we deserve. Our membership plays an extremely important role in advancing the Internet in our part of the world. Let us remember that we can do this much more effectively when we work together to solve our disagreements positively and constructively. Regards, Christian Kaufmann RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman

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Request to put Members-discuss in moderation
by Erik Bais 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais

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Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation
by Misak Khachatryan 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

-1 Why you just not ignore him? Why you all feeding the troll? He just replies to any email, just don't reply. Moderation is just a capitulation and sign of community weakness. Best regards, Misak Khachatryan, On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:48 PM Hamed Shafaghi <hamed(a)mihantelecom.com<mailto:hamed@mihantelecom.com>> wrote: +1 | Hamed Shafaghi | On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:22 PM Erik Bais <ebais(a)a2b-internet.com<mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com>> wrote: Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hamed%40mihantelecom…

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Spoofed message
by Cynthia Revström 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

I was just made aware that a spoofed message was sent to the mailing list claiming to be me. Investigating it currently, if it is to any help, if you check the message ID in the headers, it doesn't use my mail domain or Ip address. - Cynthia

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[Moderated]
by unknown＠example.com 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Message deleted: Inappropriate material reported as sent from spoofed address

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Re: [members-discuss] blacks
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Someone is sending fake emails from my email address to members-discuss. All the last emails I didn't send. ________________________________ From: Adrian Bolster <Adrian.Bolster(a)purebroadband.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:34 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: RE: [members-discuss] blacks Really? Is this deemed appropriate? I've read too many emails on this group and fear that it has now descended into a total and utter farce and I am now faced with the tough decision to setup rules in my inbox to just delete everything and miss out on interesting dialogue or continue to manually filter when I have way better things to do with my time. That's another 30 seconds of my life I won't get back! Adrian. -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> On Behalf Of Elad Cohen Sent: 21 July 2020 14:29 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] blacks i hate blacks _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/adrian.bolster%40sur…

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RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Christian Kaufmann 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Dear members, Following our earlier call for volunteers to join the RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force, we are now able to confirm that the following members have been selected to take part: Erik Bais (Netherlands) Randy Bush (Estonia) Elad Cohen (Israel) Carlos Friaças (Portugal) Toma Gavrichenkov (Russia) Sergey Myasoedov (Czech Republic) - Task Force Chair Arnold Nipper (Germany) Cynthia Revström (Sweden) Jan Žorž (Slovenia) This group represents a good variety of regions and sectors from across the RIPE NCC membership and we have every confidence that they will carry out a full and fair evaluation of the current election process. The changes they recommend to this process will be submitted to the membership for its consideration at the upcoming October General Meeting. Further details of the rationale behind the formation of this task force, its charter and a timeline for its actions are available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/ripe-ncc-executive-board-elect… Kind regards, Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC

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