We also support this proposal. [logo]<https://eltrona.lu/> Dr. Nico Binsfeld Chief Technology Officer Eltrona Interdiffusion S.A. Phone +352 499 466 209 Mobile +352 621 184 704 Web www.eltrona.lu [cid:image002.png@01D8346A.77728040]<https://fr-fr.facebook.com/eltronainterdiffusion/> [cid:image003.png@01D8346A.77728040] <https://www.instagram.com/eltronainterdiffusion/> [cid:image004.png@01D8346A.77728040] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/eltrona> Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this email? This communication is for use by the intended recipient and contains information that may be privileged, confidential or copyrighted under applicable law. From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Pieter Waegeman via members-discuss Sent: 9. Mäerz 2022 16:09 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR invoices for Ukrainian companies We also support this motion. People and businesses in those regions have bigger issues. Pieter Waegeman Tel | 033 869 769<tel:033869769> [1Ago Logo]<https://1ago.be/> On 9/03/2022 12:35, Oleg Zinkov via members-discuss wrote: 08.03.2022 14:54, Max Tulyev пишет: Hi All, as you now there is a huge russian military invasion in Ukraine. The communications, especially Internet access, is one of the most important things during this time. Unfortunately, almost all ISPs facing with a financial impact of war because of non-payment crisis. A thousand of Euros is a huge money now even for big companies. I think it is a good idea to support Ukrainian ISPs and postpone payments for LIR for them until the end of the war. Please, do support of this proposal. Thank you all! _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40kyivlink.com Hi I agree. We do not refuse to pay. But really, it is almost impossible to plan anything now.

Hello, We support this motion and will also donate funds for 1 Ukrainian LIR subscription if we need to. All the best, Stuart Stuart Gilbertson Consider IT Limited Superior IT Support www.considerit.co.uk 0131 510 0110 Please Note: This e-mail and any files that may be attached to it are for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and is strictly confidential. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender by replying to this message. In the event that you are not the intended recipient, you must not directly or indirectly copy, print, or otherwise disseminate this message in full or in part. Consider IT Ltd takes reasonable steps to ensure that our e-mails are virus-free, and in any event, accept no liability, either for any alterations made to this e-mail by third parties, or any viruses that it may contain, howsoever arising. Consider IT Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 09:34, Svilen Maximov <maximov@networx-bg.com> wrote:

Dear all,

2 important things: 1) Networx-Bulgaria will support all help to Ukrainian operators and 2) Ian is completely right - we believe sanctions in the Internet connectivity will produce the opposite effect. Hence we stand against sanctions to Russion Internet operators - unless proven that they limit or manipulate the content in any way.

Best Regards, Svilen Maximov, www.networx.bg

-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Ian Diment Sent: 09 March 2022 14:08 To: Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua>; Members Discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR invoices for Ukrainian companies

Hi All,

I support that!

I also support same for Russian ISPs for 1 important reason. The internet is only place that Russian people could get open/independent news of what's going on in Ukraine from sources outside Russia. I know most Russian ISPs have now blocked access from Russia to pretty much all internet sites outside of Russia making even that hard. Some might still be getting access via VPN. Information is power and if we help to shutdown internet in Russia then the only information source left for Russians is Russian TV. So I fully support RIPE policy to continue to support internet access for all.

Regards, Ian.

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Please, do support of this proposal.

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Yep true but that part/side we have no direct control over, unfortunately. -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Zbynek Burget Sent: 09 March 2022 15:26 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR invoices for Ukrainian companies EXTERNAL MAIL … and what will be when the Russian government orders the disconnection of Russia from the Internet? Zbyněk Burget Mlýnská 397 798 26 Nezamyslice tel: 588 580 000, 739 930 931 https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.burgnet.cz__;!!EHscmS1ygiU1lA!X6iQ4Qf... IČ: 606 88 220; DIČ: CZ7210184674 Dne 09.03.2022 v 13:07 Ian Diment napsal(a):

Hi All,

I support that!

I also support same for Russian ISPs for 1 important reason. The internet is only place that Russian people could get open/independent news of what's going on in Ukraine from sources outside Russia. I know most Russian ISPs have now blocked access from Russia to pretty much all internet sites outside of Russia making even that hard. Some might still be getting access via VPN. Information is power and if we help to shutdown internet in Russia then the only information source left for Russians is Russian TV. So I fully support RIPE policy to continue to support internet access for all.

Regards, Ian.

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Hi All,

as you now there is a huge russian military invasion in Ukraine.

The communications, especially Internet access, is one of the most important things during this time.

Unfortunately, almost all ISPs facing with a financial impact of war because of non-payment crisis. A thousand of Euros is a huge money now even for big companies.

I think it is a good idea to support Ukrainian ISPs and postpone payments for LIR for them until the end of the war.

Please, do support of this proposal.

Thank you all!

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Hi All, Here are pictures of Ukrainian telecom reality right now after Russia started bombing their country. Take a look and decide if we should charge them. I am on the opinion that we should suspend charging. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/przemyslawgagala_fixing-a-fibrecut-near-kyiv-... https://www.linkedin.com/posts/przemyslawgagala_fixing-a-fibrecut-near-kyiv-... https://www.linkedin.com/posts/przemyslawgagala_fixing-a-fibrecut-near-kyiv-... https://www.linkedin.com/posts/przemyslawgagala_fixing-a-fibrecut-near-kyiv-... Pictures were taken by one of our Ukrainian telecom after a heavy fight against the Russian army. Z poważaniem   Piotr Pomin -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Opteamax GmbH Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2022 2:11 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] LIR invoices for Ukrainian companies Hi All, I think this is a very good opportunity for the RIPE community to support the Ukrainian ISP an the minimum we can do to help them keeping information opportunities available. I'd even go a step further and propose to suspend any charging for Ukrainian LIR and keep their membership free of charge until invasion is over and normality returns into their country. Best regards Jens On 08.03.22 13:54, Max Tulyev wrote:

Hi All,

as you now there is a huge russian military invasion in Ukraine.

The communications, especially Internet access, is one of the most important things during this time.

Unfortunately, almost all ISPs facing with a financial impact of war because of non-payment crisis. A thousand of Euros is a huge money now even for big companies.

I think it is a good idea to support Ukrainian ISPs and postpone payments for LIR for them until the end of the war.

Please, do support of this proposal.

Thank you all!

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On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 02:54:52PM +0200, Max Tulyev wrote:

...

I think it is a good idea to support Ukrainian ISPs and postpone payments for LIR for them until the end of the war.

As a representative of a paying member, I support this proposal.

So do I. RIPE already took such actions in similar (but not that severe) situations for LIRs which are under sanctions or are otherwise unable to pay the fees. This is in line with the ICANN offer to delay fees for domain renewals. I also support the proposal to create a fund of hardware and money to help the Ukrainian ISPs, which are working very hard to keep the Internet running in and around the war zone. Lutz Donnerhacke

Hi,

On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 02:54:52PM +0200, Max Tulyev wrote:

...

I think it is a good idea to support Ukrainian ISPs and postpone payments for LIR for them until the end of the war.

As a representative of a paying member, I support this proposal.

Same here.

With the current budget numbers & yearly payback, I am reasonably sure the NCC can afford to get this money some undefined time later, and possibly even some of the member fees not at all (if a company went bankrupt due to the war).

It might not look favourably in the books, but I think that is less important.

Indeed, and if there should be any need for LIR fee donations for Ukrainian members please let me know. Cheers, Sander

We agree with this proposal Brian

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Hi All,

as you now there is a huge russian military invasion in Ukraine.

The communications, especially Internet access, is one of the most important things during this time.

Unfortunately, almost all ISPs facing with a financial impact of war because of non-payment crisis. A thousand of Euros is a huge money now even for big companies.

I think it is a good idea to support Ukrainian ISPs and postpone payments for LIR for them until the end of the war.

Please, do support of this proposal.

Thank you all!

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Hi! Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com> wrote:

Therefore i agree that the redistribution of payments of specific country due to invasion or natural disaster is possible only if RIPE position on this matter is formalized and applied equally to all RIPE members.

This is correct, and I support this. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger Now what ? Dr.-Ing. Nepustil & Co. GmbH fon +49 7123 93006-0 pi@nepustil.net Rathausstr. 3 mob +49 171 3101372 72658 Bempflingen

Hi Fergal,

We will ensure we do not close any members who are unable to pay due to the war.

I'd like to see that converted into an official RIPE NCC policy: "LIRs that are unable to pay their membership fees due to an armed conflict in their region, and who otherwise comply with all policies, will not be closed down because of non-payment" Something like that in the official docs? :) Cheers, Sander

Hi all, Thanks for the input. This is something we are looking at and we will come back to the members on this when we have properly investigated the possibilities. I’d like to note that we will do the same for all the other suggestions that are coming in. We’ll be following the list closely and we appreciate getting this input on how we could make positive changes. And, while I’m here, I should note that we had planned to continue or start consultations with the members on some issues such as the future charging scheme model. Given the current situation, we think it is best to focus right now on keeping our members and critical services operational. We would prefer to come back to these matters at a time when the full membership can be involved in discussions. Kind regards, Fergal On 11/03/2022 14:14, Sander Steffann wrote:

Hi Fergal,

...

We will ensure we do not close any members who are unable to pay due to the war.

I'd like to see that converted into an official RIPE NCC policy: "LIRs that are unable to pay their membership fees due to an armed conflict in their region, and who otherwise comply with all policies, will not be closed down because of non-payment"

Something like that in the official docs? :)

Cheers, Sander