Dear Dmitry, sorry, but you are saying is simply wrong. Being loud doesn't make anything you have to say any more correct. When you were a normal ISP your first assignment was a /19 or a /20, once you grew and you had more demand bigger prefixes were added according to your need. Looking into a medium sized ISP with ~200k IPv4 IPs and a bunch of sponsorings your average actual bill might be something like 1900€ - with charging scheme A this will become approx. 2100€, with B it will be ~8500€ Looking at a bigger ISP with ~ 600k IPs and more sponserings current bill is something like 3700€, this will become 4500€ with scheme A or 15.000€ with scheme B. The further you look up the higher the prices get. If you are a very small LIR with only one /23 your bill will drop from your current fee of ~1700€ to 850€ in option B So please: in what way will the the small LIRs pay for those who have millions of IPs? Actually it's the other way round. Stop ranting, start thinking Karl -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: sdy@a-n-t.ru <sdy@a-n-t.ru> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. April 2026 20:14 An: Clement Cavadore <ccavadore@vedege.net> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced Hi! It's very simple! The "wonderful" developers group of the price list decided that those who have 5-20 thousand IP addresses and who already lack them catastrophically will pay for the owners of a millions IP addresses. It's called GREAT FRAUD! This is absolutely unacceptable. --- Dmitry Serbulov.
Dear all,
If we'd like to go on TL;DR:
-> Independent resources pricing options are the same, so no need to look around there if we are looking only on the pricing.
-> Pricing between A & B becomes higher on B when reaching 16x /24 and/or 16x /29 (which seems a bit low, ie cat6/21).
I made the calculations (might be some minor errors): Cat1 = 0 /24 = base + 0€ Cat2 = 1 /24 = cat1 + 148€ Cat3 = 2 /24 = cat2 + 199€ Cat4 = 4 /24 = cat3 + 399€ Cat5 = 8 /24 = cat4 + 448€ Cat6 = 16 /24 = cat5 + 723€ Cat7 = 32 /24 = cat6 + 872€ Cat8 = 64 /24 = cat7 + 1046€ Cat9 = 128 /24 = cat8 + 1146€ Cat10 = 256 /24 = cat9 + 1495€ Cat11 = 512 /24 = cat10 + 1495€ Cat12 = 1024 /24 = cat11 + 2043€ Cat13 = 2048 /24 = cat12 + 2093€ Cat14 = 4096 /24 = cat13 + 2342€ Cat15 = 8192 /24 = cat14 + 2591€ Cat16 = 16384 /24 = cat15 + 2890€ Cat17 = 32768 /24 = cat16 + 3189€ (uk.bt/fr.sfr/fr.proxad/fr.bouygtel/uk.ntli/it.fastweb) Cat18 = 65536 /24 = cat17 + 3737€ (fr.telecom/de.telekom and the sum of all Telecom Italia members) Cat19 = 131072 /24 = cat18 + 4086€ any ? Cat20 = 262144 /24 = cat19 + 4086€ (uk.microsoft ) Cat21 = 524288 /24 and above = cat20 + 4983€ (no LIR ?)
My remarks:
0- Are there any LIR for cat21 ?
1- there's a gap on each category, which makes the "additionnal /24" a tough threshold effect. and even if the gap increases between almost all categories, still, it tends to become more and more interesting "per additionnal /24" for higer categories.
2- I am still a bit disappointed that the highest fee is only ~40K for largest -existing?- LIRs.
3- But still, it's a better option than what was suggested earlier (10K IIRC). => I am happy that smaller LIR with only one /24 and one /29 would pay much less than before.
Well... since we will not have any other voting options, we'll have to choose with our wallets.
Just one additionnal question: How would you redistribute any excess of budget? Would it be calculated on the base of the fee paid on year N-1?
Regards,
Clément Cavadore
On Tue, 2026-04-21 at 10:43 +0200, Fergal Cunningham wrote:
Dear all,
This morning our Executive Board Chair announced the charging scheme voting options for members to vote on at the upcoming General Meeting: https://mai/ lman.ripe.net%2Farchives%2Flist%2Fncc-announce%40ripe.net%2Fthread%2F IZFVMQND3JWC4QHPKVYRZDNFXPRLMLNM%2F&data=05%7C02%7Ckarl.kaiser%40mage nta.at%7Cc0603ea602cd4d32d5f008dea11125c5%7Cd313b56ff40044d384034b468 b3d8ded%7C1%7C0%7C639125292200554915%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0 eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsI ldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6HOB3RrAwxlRHNVpdMYab7Ch9xMYVsd3ZX yRBVaVxbM%3D&reserved=0
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