Renting addresses is at least as old as dialup - so quite old - you could get static addresses in the early 1990s and had to pay some extra monthly. Renting addresses preceded the "scarcity phase" by at least a generous 30 years. Renting/leasing larger blocks is thus an evolution, not something new. In the past RIPE has had policies to be fairly hands off. FWIW, a "membership association" should not tell others how they use their assigned addresses nor meddle in other people's business models. I don't think that is their core competency, either. So, what is their core competency? It is worth to remember that the reason this whole discussion takes place is because there is one organization in Europe who has the magic bit enabled to [in the past] assign IPv4 addresses onwards to others. Now that the addresses are gone, and everyone seems to tacitly understand there won't be a similar issue with IPv6 addressing, it needs to figure out where to go from there. So, here we are. Kaj ________________________________ From: Sander Klein via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2026 12:46 To: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced If the rental and selling of IP Space should not be taken into account, then it should not be allowed in the first place. Because we are able to rent out or sell them, they have a value thus making the flat ripe fees 'feel' unfair Sander ________________________________ From: Simon Lockhart <simon@slimey.org> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2026 10:24 To: sdy@a-n-t.ru <sdy@a-n-t.ru> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Proposals Announced When will you get into your head that this isn't about rental of IPv4 address space (the model you seem to be pushing), but rather about modelling how the costs for a database (and community resource) provider should be apportioned amongst its members. One /8 takes up as much space in a database (1 row) as a /24 (1 row). Simon On Wed Apr 22, 2026 at 09:13:37PM +0300, sdy@a-n-t.ru wrote:
It's very simple! The "wonderful" developers group of the price list decided that those who have 5-20 thousand IP addresses and who already lack them catastrophically will pay for the owners of a millions IP addresses. It's called GREAT FRAUD! This is absolutely unacceptable. To unsubscribe or manage your subscription, log in to the LIR Portal with your RIPE NCC Access account and go to the LIR Account page: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmy.ripe.net%2F%23%2Faccount-details&data=05%7C02%7Csander.klein%40vitecsoftware.com%7C8c269dd512ed4f6d882c08dea11c0c28%7Cc475547b838949bd88473c0ef0b9e181%7C0%7C0%7C639125338997034082%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=d7atf5jGKgbpSvuNnF6ZOX1QoSeBy%2BnWkdXu1GmSrDI%3D&reserved=0<https://my.ripe.net/#/account-details>.
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