Dear Gabor, On what specific legal basis does the RIPE NCC Executive Board consider itself entitled, by unilateral resolution, to deny effect to statutory universal succession in respect of an existing LIR agreement? In KA Finanz, C‑483/14, judgment of 7 April 2016, paragraph 58, the Court of Justice expressly confirmed, in the context of a cross-border merger, that the acquiring company replaces the acquired company as a party to its contracts without novation (https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A62014CJ0483) Please identify the precise, legally effective provision of applicable law, the Articles of Association or the relevant agreement on which you rely either to exclude that succession or to require the termination or consolidation of the contractual relationship passing to the acquiring company, and explain how the conditions for its application are satisfied. Administrative inconvenience is not a substitute for legal authority, and citing the Boards own resolution does not establish its power to override existing contractual rights - really. br, -mk ------ Původní zpráva ------ Od "Gabor de Wit" <gdewit@ripe.net> Komu "Clement Cavadore" <ccavadore@vedege.net> Kopie "members-discuss@ripe.net" <members-discuss@ripe.net> Datum 02.10.2026 14:10:35 Předmět [members-discuss] Re: Board Resolution to Suspend the Acquisition of Multiple LIR Accounts
Dear Clément,
The issue is not so much with the cost of adding or maintaining individual LIR accounts. My colleague Marco recently published a RIPE Labs article that dives into this in more detail. In that article, he explains that “Most RIPE NCC systems were originally designed around the assumption that a registry account represents one member organisation. Allowing several registry accounts for the same member introduces complexity at almost every layer of the organisation.” There are costs to the organisation (and membership) to this complexity.
Marco provides a comprehensive list of the areas in which we experience this. Please see his article at:
https://labs.ripe.net/author/marco_schmidt/multiple-lir-accounts-looking-bac...
Kind regards,
Gabor de Wit
RIPE NCC Chief Registry Officer
On Wed, 30 Sept 2026 at 14:14, Clement Cavadore via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> wrote:
Hello,
I hardly understand where is the overhead for NCC for those 2% of members: If they already know the organisation with their first membership, why should it be such an overhead to add another one with the same administrative informations? Please, explain !
Kind regards, -- Clément Cavadore
On Wed, 2026-09-30 at 10:38 +0000, NOC (CSN-Solutions) via members- discuss wrote:
We had exactly the same issue when we moved to a GmbH… RIPE took weeks to comprehend and we now have the sole trader followed by a workaround name with the GmbH. Communication was a mess….
Regards Markus Von: Lucas Rolff via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Gesendet: Tuesday, 29 September 2026 20:00:25 An: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: [members-discuss] Board Resolution to Suspend the Acquisition of Multiple LIR Accounts
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Hello,
How is this going to work in reality? People who are merging companies or converting companies (for example I'm moving from sole trader to BV), I can no longer make this move happen in RIPE
I'm now forced to keep my resources under me as a natural person instead of moving my resources where it belongs: to the BV
Billing wise I'm no longer able to use the VAT on my invoice for input VAT (voorbelasting), and the LIR membership belongs to me as a natural person so moving the expense into the BV becomes rather hard to justify. Effectively increasing the cost of being LIR quite a
bit.
I can understand that there's certain restrictions, but preventing things like company mergers, when you don't allow updating LIR accounts to a new entity seems like an odd thing to do, especially considering that the manual work largely is caused by your own policy.
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