September 1998 - tld-wg - mailman.ripe.net

CENTR workshop for ccTLD Managers
by estaicut＠linkguide.ici.ro 01 Sep '98

01 Sep '98

> > ************************** > REGISTRATION FOR CENTR WORKSHOP > > I wish to attend the CENTR workshop for Managers of TLD Rgistries > > Name: Eugenie Staicut > > Organization and country: Research Institute for Informatics, Romania > > Position held: Data Communication Center Manager > > Any other Comments: Technical Manager for .ro TLD > Eugenie Staicut -------- Logged at Mon Aug 31 10:51:53 MET DST 1998 ---------

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Problems with PL ccTLD's administrator
by JimFleming＠unety.net 01 Sep '98

01 Sep '98

-----Original Message----- From: W.Sylwestrzak at icm.edu.pl <wojsyl1 at icm.edu.pl> To: Artur Grzymala <artur at zoo.pl> Cc: tld-wg at ripe.net <tld-wg at ripe.net> Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 7:00 PM Subject: Re: Problems with PL ccTLD's administrator Artur Grzymala: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for help. PL administrator stole my domain. Where can I write > about it? Which internet organization can help me? > First of all, a domainname is not your 'property', actually it's no-one's property. And please don't explain what you mean by PL administrator *stealing* *your* domain. if you have a legal agreement with him, then just sue him for breaking it. --w @@@@@@@@@ I am not sure that it makes sense to fill the courts with domain name disputes that might be easily handled, using the Internet, by the Internet community in the "region" where the dispute is located. Using the "neighbor net" approach, we see that the trustees from Greece and Switzerland and the TLDs in between can come together to help resolve these types of disputes. One person can not do the job. http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 3:174 GR (GREECE) <-------------- Can these people help ? 3:175 SALT 3:176 PL (POLAND) <---------- Dispute 3:177 ROME 3:178 CANVAS 3:179 BEL (BELGIUM) 3:180 LIE (LIECHTENSTEIN) 3:181 FINE 3:182 TUR (TURKEY) 3:183 GEO (GEORGIA) 3:184 CH (SWITZERLAND) <--------- Can these people help ? As the picture above fills in, the dispute would be handled even more local to the .PL domain. In an ideal case we will have the 8 trustees for the .PL domain who can provide a forum to give people a fair hearing. Working out from the .PL domain, the trustees for the .SALT and .ROME domains would be called upon to help. Not the whole world. In summary, this is like a large auditorium. If someone has an illness in one of the "seats" the entire population does not have to rush to their rescue. In many cases, the people local to the situation can resolve the problem. Let's say the person faints. It might be a simple matter of reviving them. The answer is not to bring the whole world in and then to sue everyone. Think global and act local... Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com -------- Logged at Wed Sep 2 18:50:42 MET DST 1998 ---------

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CIX's Position in the IFWP Steering Committee detailed below
by JimFleming＠UNETY.NET 01 Sep '98

01 Sep '98

Dave, Thanks for the summary. To clarify, my main agenda is not IPv6 or IPv8. My main agenda is to help create more resources and to allow those resources to find their way into people's hands around the world with as low a distribution cost as possible to help allow more people to use the Internet without funding a bunch of lounge lizards to fly around the world every time they feel like it funded by taxes they collect from the disadvantaged people that they have under their thumbs....or IN-ADDR.ARPA. I was hopeful that the IETF (without the ISOC) would continue to be a good group to help encourage the low-cost distribution of resources. It now appears that the new IANA Inc. may be a better facilitator for that mission because the IETF has been captured by the ISOC "suits". Even though the IFWP people mean well, they have now attracted the IAHC CORE crowd that is mainly looking to cash in on some quick buck schemes. I am hopeful that Jon Postel saw enough of the IAHC result to know better than to go near the IFWP this time around. He has also been able to witness the "members only" approach used in ARIN and which the IFWP people seem to think provides a democracy. I am confident that Jon Postel and the various old-school IETF people will be able to push forward to move the IANA Inc. to a point where it is legally disjoint from the ISOC and the IETF. When that occurs, we might have a chance to all work to renew the faith and to bring more resources to people around the world at a low cost. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com -----Original Message----- From: Dave Paulsen <dave at reststop.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv at lists.psi.com> Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 11:38 PM Subject: Re: CIX's Position in the IFWP Steering Committee detailed below >On 30 Aug 98,, Eric Weisberg wrote: > >> 2. Is Jim Flemming correct that this is not worth getting excited about? >> >Well, in some ways. His agenda, of course, is IPvX. Which, I also believe, is >more important in the grand scheme of things than the hoopla over TLDs. >Some of his concerns, however, are equally valid in both debates. > >Other TLDs are being successfully used--on a technical level. And, on a >technical level, the IP address space problem could be migrated more >smoothly into TNG if some of the "big boys" (and I use this term loosely here >(no, it's _mine_, you can't _make_ me give it back)) would aggregate/return >more of the current address space. > >Part of the problem in both debates is the concern over whose "deserving" >pockets the profits are going into, and especially on the in-addr.arpa side, >that profiteering not take place on the _necessary_ resource. I mean, a TLD >is just a string of characters, and with GUIs, no longer of much real use >outside of marketing. For Internet based communications to occur at all, >though, you _need_ an affordable, routable, IP address. > >I think for efficient, ubiquitous use of Internet technologies, both TLDs and >IPvX need to be based on open protocol standards, and centrally managed >(even with a regional second tier for day to day operations) to prevent >collisions and non-reachable sites. As far as I'm aware, the only way to have >this, at least on this particular planet, is either with a "benign" government >agency, or an international non-profit organization, ideally run by geeks. > >And I make that last little comment because _what_ people do on the >Internet is a social phenomena and the capitalists, politicians, and marketers >can do what they will to try to sleaze their way into the mindset of the user; >that people _can_ do what they will on the Internet is solidly in the domain of >the engineer and meddling merely decreases efficiency. > > >_dave_(seemingly obligatory and definitely resource wasting .sig) > -------- Logged at Wed Sep 2 08:52:13 MET DST 1998 ---------

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