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ARIN's View of Magaziner's DCISOC Appearance
by mathias＠staff.singnet.com.sg 17 May '98

17 May '98

> On Sunday, May 17, 1998 11:45 AM, Mathias Koerber[SMTP:mathias at staff.singn > et.com.sg] wrote: > @> On Saturday, May 16, 1998 11:08 PM, Mathias Koerber[SMTP:mathias at staff. > sin > @> gnet.com.sg] wrote: > @> @This is not ARINs view of his comments, but a synopsis of his > remarks. > @> @Your subject line was misleading, but the article itself was > interesting, > @> @so thanks for reporting it here... > @> @ > @> <snip> > @> @> From: Member Services <memsvcs at arin.net> > @> @> To: arin-members at arin.net > @> @> Subject: Remarks by Ira Magaziner to DCISOC > @> > @> It was from ARIN's Member Services is that not from ARIN ? > @ > @Sure, but it did not contain anything akin to their VIEW of things, > @only a report of what was said. No ARIN opinion was voiced in that > piece! > @ > > Who wrote the material ? What does the material contain? A report or an opinion. Whose words are reported? > > > - > Jim Fleming > Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net > IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race > AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Sun May 17 17:25:29 MET DST 1998 ---------

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ARIN's View of Magaziner's DCISOC Appearance
by mathias＠staff.singnet.com.sg 17 May '98

17 May '98

> On Saturday, May 16, 1998 11:08 PM, Mathias Koerber[SMTP:mathias at staff.sin > gnet.com.sg] wrote: > @This is not ARINs view of his comments, but a synopsis of his remarks. > @Your subject line was misleading, but the article itself was interesting, > @so thanks for reporting it here... > @ > <snip> > @> From: Member Services <memsvcs at arin.net> > @> To: arin-members at arin.net > @> Subject: Remarks by Ira Magaziner to DCISOC > > It was from ARIN's Member Services is that not from ARIN ? Sure, but it did not contain anything akin to their VIEW of things, only a report of what was said. No ARIN opinion was voiced in that piece! > > > - > Jim Fleming > Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net > IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race > AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Sun May 17 10:48:07 MET DST 1998 ---------

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ARIN's View of Magaziner's DCISOC Appearance
by JimFleming＠unety.net 17 May '98

17 May '98

On Sunday, May 17, 1998 12:32 PM, Mathias Koerber[SMTP:mathias at staff.singnet.com.sg] wrote: @> On Sunday, May 17, 1998 11:45 AM, Mathias Koerber[SMTP:mathias at staff.singn @> et.com.sg] wrote: @> @> On Saturday, May 16, 1998 11:08 PM, Mathias Koerber[SMTP:mathias at staff. @> sin @> @> gnet.com.sg] wrote: @> @> @This is not ARINs view of his comments, but a synopsis of his @> remarks. @> @> @Your subject line was misleading, but the article itself was @> interesting, @> @> @so thanks for reporting it here... @> @> @ @> @> <snip> @> @> @> From: Member Services <memsvcs at arin.net> @> @> @> To: arin-members at arin.net @> @> @> Subject: Remarks by Ira Magaziner to DCISOC @> @> @> @> It was from ARIN's Member Services is that not from ARIN ? @> @ @> @Sure, but it did not contain anything akin to their VIEW of things, @> @only a report of what was said. No ARIN opinion was voiced in that @> piece! @> @ @> @> Who wrote the material ? @ @What does the material contain? A report or an opinion. @Whose words are reported? @ @ Since the material is not a "transcript", similar to what you might see from a court reporter or in a deposition it is the "view" of the person writing it. This may not be the way you view things in Singapore, but this is the common view from the U.S. where a free press has been in place for a long time. If you do assume that the ARIN view that was reported is equivalent to a transcript, then we have to agree to disagree, which is probably what we should have done long ago. I think that most people view the reporting that came from ARIN as their view of Magaziner's presentation. I am certain there are probably aspects which are left out. There are probably aspects that are given more emphasis than Magaziner intended. It is a shame that Magaziner and all of the people involved in these matters do not engage in mail list discussions. Then you would see exactly what they say and you could draw your own conclusions. Let's face it, most of the people trying to control the Internet resource allocation process are afraid of using the Internet. Why...???...I'll let you decide that... - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Mon May 18 08:41:07 MET DST 1998 ---------

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ARIN's View of Magaziner's DCISOC Appearance
by JimFleming＠unety.net 17 May '98

17 May '98

On Sunday, May 17, 1998 11:45 AM, Mathias Koerber[SMTP:mathias at staff.singnet.com.sg] wrote: @> On Saturday, May 16, 1998 11:08 PM, Mathias Koerber[SMTP:mathias at staff.sin @> gnet.com.sg] wrote: @> @This is not ARINs view of his comments, but a synopsis of his remarks. @> @Your subject line was misleading, but the article itself was interesting, @> @so thanks for reporting it here... @> @ @> <snip> @> @> From: Member Services <memsvcs at arin.net> @> @> To: arin-members at arin.net @> @> Subject: Remarks by Ira Magaziner to DCISOC @> @> It was from ARIN's Member Services is that not from ARIN ? @ @Sure, but it did not contain anything akin to their VIEW of things, @only a report of what was said. No ARIN opinion was voiced in that piece! @ Who wrote the material ? - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Sun May 17 11:33:21 MET DST 1998 ---------

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ARIN's View of Magaziner's DCISOC Appearance
by mathias＠staff.singnet.com.sg 17 May '98

17 May '98

This is not ARINs view of his comments, but a synopsis of his remarks. Your subject line was misleading, but the article itself was interesting, so thanks for reporting it here... > > @@@@@@ http://www.arin.net/archives/arin-members.9805 > > >From owner-arin-members Wed May 13 21:38:09 1998 > Received: (from majordom at localhost) by arin.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) id VAA28293 > > for arin-members-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:38:09 GMT > Received: (from pdenitto at localhost) by arin.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) id VAA28288 > > for arin-members at arin.net; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:38:08 GMT > Received: from localhost (memsvcs at localhost) by arin.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) > with > SMTP id VAA28264 for <arin-members at arin.net>; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:36:49 > GMT > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:36:49 -0400 (EDT) > From: Member Services <memsvcs at arin.net> > To: arin-members at arin.net > Subject: Remarks by Ira Magaziner to DCISOC > Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980513173428.28092C-100000 at ops.arin.net> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Sender: owner-arin-members at arin.net > Precedence: bulk > > A Synopsis of Remarks Made by Ira Magaziner on the Topic of Internet > Governance > > Monday evening, May 11, 1998, Ira Magaziner, Senior Advisor to the > President for Policy Development, spoke on the topic of Internet > Governance before an audience assembled by the DC chapter of the > Internet > Society. His presentation addressed the subject from the perspective of > the U.S. Government and re-enforced previously stated positions that > support the decentralization and privatization of the Internet. > > It has been several months since the Green Paper (Improvement of > Technical > Management of Internet Names and Addresses) was published. During that > period, some 1500 pages of commentary, submitted in response to that > paper, have been reviewed and evaluated. By the end of this week, or > early > next week, Magaziner promised, the government will publish a White > Paper, > incorporating some of the suggestions submitted by the Internet community. > This would be "the implementing draft" for the upcoming transition. > While > carefully not divulging information in advance of publication, Magaziner's > presentation provided some insight into the general approach that the > government intends to take in the area of Internet governance. > > Referencing recent history and the role that government agencies played > in > launching the Internet, he told the group that the government still has > a > legal obligation with respect to Internet Governance but is eager to > effect a smooth transition that minimizes its future involvement. In the > past, he said, a technology of this sort would invite centralized > inter-governmental control. He illustrated this point with references to > industries such as telephone, radio and television. A highly regulatory > approach "does not make sense" today, according to Magaziner. Instead, > he > described the vision of the U.S. Government for the Internet as it > proceeds forward as relying on private sector leadership that is > decentralized and international in nature. > > Describing the non-profit organization that would assume responsibility > for Internet governance as the government's role was phased out, > Magaziner > outlined four areas of responsibility falling under that authority. The > first of these is the assigning of Internet Protocol (IP) address blocks > to the numbering authorities. The second area would be policy > decision-making in Domain Name issues and the third would be oversight > of > the management of root servers. The fourth area of responsibility would > be > the establishment of Internet protocol under IETF guidelines. > > One issue that emerged clearly from Magaziner's remarks is the > government's position that in the future, Domain Name registration > should > involve competition among registrars with shared access to generic > top-level domains. No specific details regarding plans for accomplishing > this goal were presented. > > The composition of the governing organization, based on the information > provided Monday evening, will closely resemble the structure outlined in > the original green paper. The government will recommend the inclusion > of > representatives from ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC on the Board. The government, > he emphasized, would not appoint the Board but would "recognize" the > Board > appointed by the Stakeholders. > > Elaborating on the nature of the appointed Board, Magaziner set forth > certain conditions that the new organization must meet to succeed. > First, > he said that the new organization must operate in a transparent manner > with by-laws that allow it to "re-form itself." It is also important for > the new organization to be incorporated under one legal authority to > ensure stability and hopefully avoid having questions settled by "twenty > different courts around the world." The new non-profit entity responsible > for governance must have the legal authority and credibility to withstand > the "inevitable lawsuits" that will occur. It must, he said, "be robust > enough to go forward." > > In addition, Magaziner said that the organization itself must be > international in scope and Stakeholder based. He expressed his belief > that > the European stakeholders have also accepted the underlying principles > behind the new governance structures and that consensus has been > achieved > in many important areas of concern. > > He is hopeful that by late summer, the new organization will get > underway. > He indicated that NSI's contract would not be renewed but that > negotiations with NSI would begin quickly following the issuance of the > white paper. The transition will occur, but the timetable will be > determined by events. The sooner the new organization becomes stable, > the > sooner the government will withdraw from an active role. The stability > of > the Internet is at stake and the government recognizes its responsibility > and authority to ensure that stability. The white paper will provide the > rules to bring about the transfer of control. > > In his remarks, Magaziner emphasized the need for balance in addressing > the multiple issues that presently confront the Internet community. > Issues > of taxes, tariffs, privacy, and intellectual property, he acknowledged, > create complexity and will require international consensus. > > Recognizing in his concluding remarks that none of us fully understands > what is happening as we enter this transition period, Magaziner indicated > that at least "we know enough to understand that we do not understand." > The key, he said, is in the creation of structures that are flexible > enough to evolve. He is also hopeful that groups of people willing to > take > on these challenges will emerge to take on leadership roles. > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > > - > Jim Fleming > Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net > IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race > AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request at apnic.net * -------- Logged at Sat May 16 22:19:04 MET DST 1998 ---------

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ARIN's View of Magaziner's DCISOC Appearance
by JimFleming＠unety.net 16 May '98

16 May '98

On Saturday, May 16, 1998 11:08 PM, Mathias Koerber[SMTP:mathias at staff.singnet.com.sg] wrote: @This is not ARINs view of his comments, but a synopsis of his remarks. @Your subject line was misleading, but the article itself was interesting, @so thanks for reporting it here... @ <snip> @> From: Member Services <memsvcs at arin.net> @> To: arin-members at arin.net @> Subject: Remarks by Ira Magaziner to DCISOC It was from ARIN's Member Services is that not from ARIN ? - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Sun May 17 10:45:55 MET DST 1998 ---------

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More on Neighbor Net for .WINE
by JimFleming＠unety.net 15 May '98

15 May '98

On Friday, May 15, 1998 7:41 AM, Annie Renard[SMTP:Annie.Renard at nic.fr] wrote: <snip> @--- @ Annie Renard [nic at nic.fr] @ AFNIC/NIC France @ c/o INRIA domaine de Voluceau BP105, 78153 Le Chesnay CEDEX, France @ http://www.nic.fr/ @ Personal Email: Annie.Renard at nic.fr @ Did you have a question about IPv8 ? - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Sat May 16 22:09:46 MET DST 1998 ---------

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More on Neighbor Net for .WINE
by JimFleming＠unety.net 15 May '98

15 May '98

Until we get the entire list filled in, you may have to expand the diameter of your neighbor net to include more G:S slots. http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt G:S TLD RP Web Site -------------------------------------------------- 3:207 FR (FRANCE) <------ 3:208 ATHENS 3:209 FLAKE 3:210 DK (DENMARK) <------- 3:211 MLT (MALTA) <----- 3:212 VIDEO 3:213 WINE <---------- jc.praud at ludexpress.com ?? web site ?? 3:214 RAILWAY 3:215 BALLOON 3:216 SVK (SLOVAKIA-(Slovak-Republic)) <----- 3:217 DNK (DENMARK) <----- 3:218 GRC (GREECE) <----- -------------------------------------------------- The following is a good source of leads for the above TLDs with the arrows. http://www.ripe.net/centr/tld.html For slots where we can not locate people, for example, 3:215 BALLOON, the people around that slot become the "managers" of the slot and help someone introduce a new TLD alias for the slot. For example, David Rogers might want to use that slot for the .LTD TLD he is working on. Via the neighbor net approach, people can easily find a slot and add a new TLD that does not conflict with other TLDs. This is very much like entering an auditorium with 2,048 seats, looking around, and asking people..."is that seat taken ?". -------- Logged at Fri May 15 12:36:46 MET DST 1998 ---------

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RIPE 30 TLD-WG: apology and draft agenda
by Niall.oReilly＠ucd.ie 15 May '98

15 May '98

Dear colleagues, due to exceptional pressure of work, I am unable to travel to RIPE 30, and so cannot chair the TLD-WG session. I am happy to say that Marcel Schneider of Switch has kindly agreed to act as deputy chairman. Thanks to him, the show can go on. Unfortunately, I am not able to provide the minutes of the previous meeting. However, a summary of the meeting has been available for a long time (http://www.ripe.net/wg/tld/summary-29.html) I believe that this reflects all the significant business of the meeting. The current workplan, as amended at RIPE 29 is also to be found on the TLD-WG website (http://www.ripe.net/wg/tld/workplan.html) I think it will be helpful if the meeting secretariate can arrange to have copies of these two documents available for participants. After discussion with Marcel, I would like to suggest the following draft agenda. 1. Administrivia - appointment of scribe - agreement of agenda 2. Matters arising from previous meeting at RIPE 29 - adoption of minutes (I suggest deferral - no minutes to hand) - review of action list (only outstanding is completed) 3a. Review of workplan 4. Presentation on RIPE CENTR (Fay Howard) 5. WHOIS proposal (Marcel Schneider) 6. Other business (if any) 3b. Review of Workplan in view of developments at meeting 7. Close I wish you all a good meeting, and look forward to seeing you in Edinburgh. Best regards, Niall O'Reilly (NO8) IE Domain Registry University College Dublin Computing Services -------- Logged at Fri May 15 13:08:28 MET DST 1998 ---------

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ARIN's View of Magaziner's DCISOC Appearance
by JimFleming＠unety.net 14 May '98

14 May '98

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