Hi, On Fri, Jul 31, 2026 at 02:08:48PM +0200, denis walker wrote:
EVERY time we have looked at this issue over the last couple of decades, 'someone' creates background noise, finds problems, develops arguments against and ultimately prevents any action from being taken.
Maybe this is related to a basic rule of public policy-making - policy has to be *effective* and *adequate*. Neither of the things usually suggested ("you fail to reply to a single e-mail and all your resources are gone and your business will be bankrupt") fulfill either requirement.
A couple of people even said it in this thread. This WG has a reputation for not taking action. This has to change. That's why I'm suggesting a very simple policy. Here's a list of bad things. You must not do these. Do you have a problem with this?
Starting with a widely-agreed basis for what is considered "bad things" is much better than the previous proposals (equalling "you are not replying to your abuse mailbox" to "must be a bad person"). Stating "you must not do these" is also easy. Claiming authority to then do things that would likely drive a company out of business is where, I think, Nick does not agree with. Of course there are clear-cut cases, where LIRs are provably accomplice to abusers (and I'm all for kicking them out). But what about the middle ground? Where neglicence and/or stupidity leads to networks full of Joomla instances, being actively abused by *other* people - how do you define the threshold for "ok, we close down your business, goodbye"? Will that stand up before EU courts? Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: Dr. Frank Thiäner D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279