RIPE86 has closed, so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald! Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other). Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward. Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
I personally preferred the Berlin venue despite not staying at the expensive venue hotel. This is because there was a cheaper hotel within walking distance while most hotel options in Rotterdam required taking the metro. Having a hotel within 500m of the venue meant that I could pretty easily go back and forth during the day. If the Rotterdam venue had good hotel options within 500m that would have been fine with me. -Cynthia On Sun, 28 May 2023, 11:42 Alex de Joode, <alex@idgara.nl> wrote:
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
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On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 09:09:11AM +0200, Alex de Joode wrote: Dear Alex,
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Please check Voting Report published last Friday and available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/voting-report PDF file with vote count details is linked there. Direct link for your convenience: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/voting-result... Hope that helps. Best, Piotr -- Piotr Strzyżewski
Hi Alex, The full voting report is available here with all the numbers for each resolution and the election. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/voting-report All the best, Fergal On 28/05/2023 09:09, Alex de Joode wrote:
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
On 28/05/2023 10:09, Alex de Joode wrote
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
See: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/voting-result... Regards, Hank
Hi, It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen. I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks. Best regards, Eric van Uden AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 e.vanuden@avm.de Bezoek onze website op http://nl.avm.de/ , vind ons leuk op Facebook of bekijk onze Youtube-kanaal. AVM GmbH for International Communication Technology, Alt-Moabit 95, 10559 Berlin, Germany HRB 48220 AG Charlottenburg, CEO (Geschäftsführer): Johannes Nill Von: "Alex de Joode" <alex@idgara.nl> An: ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net> RIPE86 has closed, so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald! Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other). Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward. Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221 -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that. I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much. W
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Von: "Alex de Joode" <alex@idgara.nl> An: ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net> ------------------------------
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
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I just want to add that regarding the lunches there certainly were some issues. The dishes should be labeled with what they contain and list compatibility with common dietary needs. It was pretty much impossible for me to figure out which dishes contained lactose and I kind of just had to guess. I heard that it was also quite difficult for vegans to figure out which dishes they could have. This is a relatively easy issue to solve, just publish a menu that contains a list of all dishes and what they will contain. There were other issues with the lunches too, like there simply not being much to pick from if you didn't eat meat. This should also be fixed although it was not an issue that personally affected me so others can probably give better input here. Also a final small issue: on the first day they ran out of forks, how is that a thing? -Cynthia On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 5:32 PM Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that.
I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much.
W
Best regards,
Eric van Uden
AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 e.vanuden@avm.de
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Von: "Alex de Joode" <alex@idgara.nl> An: ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net> ________________________________
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
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On 5/30/23 17:47, Cynthia Revström via ripe-list wrote:
I just want to add that regarding the lunches there certainly were some issues. The dishes should be labeled with what they contain and list compatibility with common dietary needs. It was pretty much impossible for me to figure out which dishes contained lactose and I kind of just had to guess. I heard that it was also quite difficult for vegans to figure out which dishes they could have. This is a relatively easy issue to solve, just publish a menu that contains a list of all dishes and what they will contain.
My big +1 to this. Not only I had to ask which meals are gluten-free, on the first day they didn't know so I basically stopped the whole queue for a long minute by this simple question. Maybe even publishing the menu in advance online could fix this issue quite seamlessly.
There were other issues with the lunches too, like there simply not being much to pick from if you didn't eat meat. This should also be fixed although it was not an issue that personally affected me so others can probably give better input here. I've witnessed such situations, combined also with the same problem as mine – nobody know what exactly the meal contains. Also a final small issue: on the first day they ran out of forks, how is that a thing?
Cannot fork(): Not enough memory. ;o) Maria
-Cynthia
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 5:32 PM Warren Kumari<warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden<ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that.
I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much.
W
Best regards,
Eric van Uden
AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 e.vanuden@avm.de
Bezoek onze website ophttp://nl.avm.de/ , vind ons leuk op Facebook of bekijk onze Youtube-kanaal.
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Von: "Alex de Joode"<alex@idgara.nl> An:ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list"<ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net> ________________________________
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode |alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
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Hello, Once again it was a very well organised meeting, thanks a lot.
On 30 May 2023, at 17:12, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: Hi,
It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that.
The community building aspect really resonates with me, especially for newcomers. I recently co-organised an event [1] limited (by budget) to ~250 people. It struck me ho much interaction there was among the attendees, both with the speakers and with one another, despite the fact that this was a new event and nobody knew each other. Due to the size and relative intimacy of the venue (20 seats wide, 13 rows deep), having a discussion was as easy as throwing a mic around [2]. It seems much less intimidating than standing up, trying to make your way to the isle, line up behind someone who often appears to be a long-time expert to ask your question in front of a giant room. Of course it’s fantastic RIPE meetings attract such a big crowd nowadays, but I wonder if there is some way to bring back more of the intimacy that fosters newcomers not just to attend, but to interact. Cheers, Alex [1] https://2023.rustnl.org/ [2] https://catchbox.com/
I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much.
W
Best regards,
Eric van Uden
AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 e.vanuden@avm.de
Bezoek onze website op http://nl.avm.de/ , vind ons leuk op Facebook of bekijk onze Youtube-kanaal.
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Von: "Alex de Joode" <alex@idgara.nl> An: ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net>
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
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+1 ...but at least the mic is part of democracy at RIPE for me. Due to this the implicit no-mic policy (ehh, we have no time...so no mic) in the coop-wg session at RIPE86 was a no-go for me. I would support a mandatory mic-time for all ripemtg sessions to preserve democratic interaction. cu Tahar -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ripe-list [mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Alex Band Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 11:15 An: Mathias Westerlund via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Hello, Once again it was a very well organised meeting, thanks a lot.
On 30 May 2023, at 17:12, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: Hi,
It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that.
The community building aspect really resonates with me, especially for newcomers. I recently co-organised an event [1] limited (by budget) to ~250 people. It struck me ho much interaction there was among the attendees, both with the speakers and with one another, despite the fact that this was a new event and nobody knew each other. Due to the size and relative intimacy of the venue (20 seats wide, 13 rows deep), having a discussion was as easy as throwing a mic around [2]. It seems much less intimidating than standing up, trying to make your way to the isle, line up behind someone who often appears to be a long-time expert to ask your question in front of a giant room. Of course it’s fantastic RIPE meetings attract such a big crowd nowadays, but I wonder if there is some way to bring back more of the intimacy that fosters newcomers not just to attend, but to interact. Cheers, Alex [1] https://2023.rustnl.org/ [2] https://catchbox.com/
I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much.
W
Best regards,
Eric van Uden
AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 e.vanuden@avm.de
Bezoek onze website op http://nl.avm.de/ , vind ons leuk op Facebook of bekijk onze Youtube-kanaal.
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Von: "Alex de Joode" <alex@idgara.nl> An: ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net>
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
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As one of the coop-wg co-chairs I have to say it is a hard balance to strike - do we want to have as many interesting presentations as possible, or do we want to use the time for discussion? My personal view is that we have the mailing list (that is open to anyone) for discussion and demo'cratic interaction, and the actual meeting sessions are best filled with presentations (with possible comments/discussion on the mailing list). Julf On 31/05/2023 14:15, Tahar Schaa wrote:
+1
...but at least the mic is part of democracy at RIPE for me.
Due to this the implicit no-mic policy (ehh, we have no time...so no mic) in the coop-wg session at RIPE86 was a no-go for me.
I would support a mandatory mic-time for all ripemtg sessions to preserve democratic interaction.
cu
Tahar
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ripe-list [mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Alex Band Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 11:15 An: Mathias Westerlund via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results
Hello,
Once again it was a very well organised meeting, thanks a lot.
On 30 May 2023, at 17:12, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: Hi,
It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that.
The community building aspect really resonates with me, especially for newcomers.
I recently co-organised an event [1] limited (by budget) to ~250 people. It struck me ho much interaction there was among the attendees, both with the speakers and with one another, despite the fact that this was a new event and nobody knew each other.
Due to the size and relative intimacy of the venue (20 seats wide, 13 rows deep), having a discussion was as easy as throwing a mic around [2]. It seems much less intimidating than standing up, trying to make your way to the isle, line up behind someone who often appears to be a long-time expert to ask your question in front of a giant room.
Of course it’s fantastic RIPE meetings attract such a big crowd nowadays, but I wonder if there is some way to bring back more of the intimacy that fosters newcomers not just to attend, but to interact.
Cheers,
Alex
[1] https://2023.rustnl.org/ [2] https://catchbox.com/
I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much.
W
Best regards,
Eric van Uden
AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 e.vanuden@avm.de
Bezoek onze website op http://nl.avm.de/ , vind ons leuk op Facebook of bekijk onze Youtube-kanaal.
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Von: "Alex de Joode" <alex@idgara.nl> An: ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net>
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
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-1 It is important to give direct feedback, p2p. What is the reason for a ripemtg session otherwise? At least a feedback up on the quality of the presentation itself. This is democracy - this is of high importance! Your reply strengthens the need of a mandatory mic-time for all sessions. My opinion. Tahar -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ripe-list [mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Johan Helsingius Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 17:06 An: ripe-list@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results As one of the coop-wg co-chairs I have to say it is a hard balance to strike - do we want to have as many interesting presentations as possible, or do we want to use the time for discussion? My personal view is that we have the mailing list (that is open to anyone) for discussion and demo'cratic interaction, and the actual meeting sessions are best filled with presentations (with possible comments/discussion on the mailing list). Julf On 31/05/2023 14:15, Tahar Schaa wrote:
+1
...but at least the mic is part of democracy at RIPE for me.
Due to this the implicit no-mic policy (ehh, we have no time...so no mic) in the coop-wg session at RIPE86 was a no-go for me.
I would support a mandatory mic-time for all ripemtg sessions to preserve democratic interaction.
cu
Tahar
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ripe-list [mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Alex Band Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 11:15 An: Mathias Westerlund via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results
Hello,
Once again it was a very well organised meeting, thanks a lot.
On 30 May 2023, at 17:12, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: Hi,
It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that.
The community building aspect really resonates with me, especially for newcomers.
I recently co-organised an event [1] limited (by budget) to ~250 people. It struck me ho much interaction there was among the attendees, both with the speakers and with one another, despite the fact that this was a new event and nobody knew each other.
Due to the size and relative intimacy of the venue (20 seats wide, 13 rows deep), having a discussion was as easy as throwing a mic around [2]. It seems much less intimidating than standing up, trying to make your way to the isle, line up behind someone who often appears to be a long-time expert to ask your question in front of a giant room.
Of course it’s fantastic RIPE meetings attract such a big crowd nowadays, but I wonder if there is some way to bring back more of the intimacy that fosters newcomers not just to attend, but to interact.
Cheers,
Alex
[1] https://2023.rustnl.org/ [2] https://catchbox.com/
I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much.
W
Best regards,
Eric van Uden
AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 e.vanuden@avm.de
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Von: "Alex de Joode" <alex@idgara.nl> An: ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net>
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
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On 01/06/2023 09:22, Tahar Schaa wrote:
It is important to give direct feedback, p2p. What is the reason for a ripemtg session otherwise?
In my personal opinion, one of the major reasons is for presentors to present their work and/or views, so that people can talk to them afterwards and discuss with the presenter. A 5 minute public mic session is a very limited channel compared to a personal discussion with the presenter.
At least a feedback up on the quality of the presentation itself.
That is why we have a presentation and session feedback/evaluations mechanism. Julf
Hi Julf, I agree it's a difficult balance, but I think I'm more on the "discussion" side. IMHO, presentations are available on Youtube and in other fora, in abundance and viewable at my whim. What I really look for in a conference is the discussions. I see a trend in the conferences I attend (IETF, RIPE, and to some extent ICANN) to shift from a mix of discussions and presentations, to presentations "only". I think that removes important human interaction. It's only when both sides listen and exchange views and thoughts that we can move forward in a true democratic way. Watching presentations doesn't quite help with that. Mailing lists have some very good properties, but face2face interaction has other good properties to offer. We need both. YMMV. Best regards, /Liman julf@Julf.com 2023-05-31 17:06 [+0200]:
As one of the coop-wg co-chairs I have to say it is a hard balance to strike - do we want to have as many interesting presentations as possible, or do we want to use the time for discussion? My personal view is that we have the mailing list (that is open to anyone) for discussion and demo'cratic interaction, and the actual meeting sessions are best filled with presentations (with possible comments/discussion on the mailing list).
Julf
On 31/05/2023 14:15, Tahar Schaa wrote:
+1 ...but at least the mic is part of democracy at RIPE for me. Due to this the implicit no-mic policy (ehh, we have no time...so no mic) in the coop-wg session at RIPE86 was a no-go for me. I would support a mandatory mic-time for all ripemtg sessions to preserve democratic interaction. cu Tahar -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ripe-list [mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Alex Band Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 11:15 An: Mathias Westerlund via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Hello, Once again it was a very well organised meeting, thanks a lot.
On 30 May 2023, at 17:12, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: Hi,
It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that. The community building aspect really resonates with me, especially for newcomers. I recently co-organised an event [1] limited (by budget) to ~250 people. It struck me ho much interaction there was among the attendees, both with the speakers and with one another, despite the fact that this was a new event and nobody knew each other. Due to the size and relative intimacy of the venue (20 seats wide, 13 rows deep), having a discussion was as easy as throwing a mic around [2]. It seems much less intimidating than standing up, trying to make your way to the isle, line up behind someone who often appears to be a long-time expert to ask your question in front of a giant room. Of course it’s fantastic RIPE meetings attract such a big crowd nowadays, but I wonder if there is some way to bring back more of the intimacy that fosters newcomers not just to attend, but to interact. Cheers, Alex [1] https://2023.rustnl.org/ [2] https://catchbox.com/
I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much.
W
Best regards,
Eric van Uden
AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 e.vanuden@avm.de
Bezoek onze website op http://nl.avm.de/ , vind ons leuk op Facebook of bekijk onze Youtube-kanaal.
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Von: "Alex de Joode" <alex@idgara.nl> An: ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net>
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
On 1 Jun 2023, at 11:06, Lars-Johan Liman <liman@netnod.se> wrote:
Mailing lists have some very good properties, but face2face interaction has other good properties to offer. We need both.
Indeed. As Rob Blokzijl repeatedly said, we have RIPE meetings (=> discussion), not RIPE conferences (=> listening to presentations). FWIW I'd like to see more interaction and discussion during the sessions. Though I realise that's difficult in a room of 600+ people - more so when 3-4 Old Farts hog the mike. PS: Apologies for using a meaningful and relevant Subject: header. It would be nice if we all did that and also kept it in mind for the conversations about electronic discussion tools. Maybe this is an appeal to re-invent netnews. :-)
A meme has been going around: "Live your life so that your autobiography will get banned in Florida" (or words to that effect). Let me adapt it: Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote: > more so when 3-4 Old Farts hog the mike. If your presentation doesn't make some old farts jump up to the mic, then you didn't work hard enough :-) Having said that, some of the old farts failed to ask actual questions, and often it's not useful to re-litigate every tusscle. The reason I get up at 3am to (remote) attend RIPE meetings "live" is for the discussions, both at the mic-line, and in the chat, and the opportunity to contribute to them. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- *I*LIKE*TRAINS*
On 01.06.2023 20:20, Michael Richardson wrote:
[...]
Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote: > more so when 3-4 Old Farts hog the mike.
If your presentation doesn't make some old farts jump up to the mic, then you didn't work hard enough :-)
ROTFL - that just made my (Fri-) day! 8-D Have an excellent weekend, all - best, -C.
+1 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ripe-list [mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Carsten Schiefner Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Juni 2023 12:27 An: ripe-list@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [ripe-list] discussion time at RIPE meetings On 01.06.2023 20:20, Michael Richardson wrote:
[...]
Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote: > more so when 3-4 Old Farts hog the mike.
If your presentation doesn't make some old farts jump up to the mic, then you didn't work hard enough :-)
ROTFL - that just made my (Fri-) day! 8-D Have an excellent weekend, all - best, -C. -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list
Hello! I'd like to add my +1 to mandatory mic time. A well-aimed questions and remarks right after presentations can (and sometimes really do) spin up discussions about (not only) *topics not mentioned in the presentation* but worth mentioning. Including these questions makes it harder for the speakers to be biased to one side and deliver a manipulative talk. Barring immediate plenum discussion is giving more freedom to lying. Remember also that the discussion is included in the recording. The mailing-list discussion not only isn't included, but it isn't easy to find even when you know what you're looking for. Take this thread as an example. Are we really always changing the e-mail subject when the discussion subject changes? Maria On 6/1/23 12:06, Lars-Johan Liman wrote:
Hi Julf,
I agree it's a difficult balance, but I think I'm more on the "discussion" side. IMHO, presentations are available on Youtube and in other fora, in abundance and viewable at my whim. What I really look for in a conference is the discussions. I see a trend in the conferences I attend (IETF, RIPE, and to some extent ICANN) to shift from a mix of discussions and presentations, to presentations "only". I think that removes important human interaction. It's only when both sides listen and exchange views and thoughts that we can move forward in a true democratic way. Watching presentations doesn't quite help with that.
Mailing lists have some very good properties, but face2face interaction has other good properties to offer. We need both.
YMMV.
Best regards, /Liman
julf@Julf.com 2023-05-31 17:06 [+0200]:
As one of the coop-wg co-chairs I have to say it is a hard balance to strike - do we want to have as many interesting presentations as possible, or do we want to use the time for discussion? My personal view is that we have the mailing list (that is open to anyone) for discussion and demo'cratic interaction, and the actual meeting sessions are best filled with presentations (with possible comments/discussion on the mailing list). Julf On 31/05/2023 14:15, Tahar Schaa wrote:
+1 ...but at least the mic is part of democracy at RIPE for me. Due to this the implicit no-mic policy (ehh, we have no time...so no mic) in the coop-wg session at RIPE86 was a no-go for me. I would support a mandatory mic-time for all ripemtg sessions to preserve democratic interaction. cu Tahar -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ripe-list [mailto:ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Alex Band Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2023 11:15 An: Mathias Westerlund via ripe-list<ripe-list@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Hello, Once again it was a very well organised meeting, thanks a lot.
On 30 May 2023, at 17:12, Warren Kumari<warren@kumari.net> wrote:
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 2:49 AM, Eric van Uden<ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: Hi,
It was again a very nice RIPE Meeting, thanks to all for making this happen.
Indeed. Thank you to the organizers - it was, as always, a good meeting.
I Prefer an "Event Hotel" and I prefer, when financial possible, a slightly more elaborate lunch with soft drinks.
Yes, having the event in a hotel with a convention center / large meetings rooms is certainly much nicer, and leads to much better community building - a significant portion of meeting value is the hallway track. While this does somewhat still work between sessions / during lunch, not being as easily able to just meet for breakfast/dinner does take away from that. The community building aspect really resonates with me, especially for newcomers. I recently co-organised an event [1] limited (by budget) to ~250 people. It struck me ho much interaction there was among the attendees, both with the speakers and with one another, despite the fact that this was a new event and nobody knew each other. Due to the size and relative intimacy of the venue (20 seats wide, 13 rows deep), having a discussion was as easy as throwing a mic around [2]. It seems much less intimidating than standing up, trying to make your way to the isle, line up behind someone who often appears to be a long-time expert to ask your question in front of a giant room. Of course it’s fantastic RIPE meetings attract such a big crowd nowadays, but I wonder if there is some way to bring back more of the intimacy that fosters newcomers not just to attend, but to interact. Cheers, Alex [1]https://2023.rustnl.org/ [2]https://catchbox.com/
I personally was completely fine with the lunches - while it did seem to slow things down somewhat by having the venue staff serve the food, it really didn't bother me much.
W
Best regards,
Eric van Uden
AVM ICT GmbH Country Manager Netherlands Mr. van Coothlaan 10 6602 GT Wijchen Nederland Phone +31 24 6485381 Mobile +31 622 948356 e.vanuden@avm.de
Bezoek onze website ophttp://nl.avm.de/ , vind ons leuk op Facebook of bekijk onze Youtube-kanaal.
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Von: "Alex de Joode"<alex@idgara.nl> An:ripe-list@ripe.net Datum: 28-05-2023 11:42 Betreff: [ripe-list] RIPE86 results Gesendet von: "ripe-list"<ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net>
RIPE86 has closed,
so first congratulations to Raymond, Maria and Harald!
Second thanks to the RIPE NCC for organising a marvellous event (even if in Rotterdam ;) and a lunch without nasi and sateh :( ). This time the event venue and hotel's were separate, as this also was the largest RIPE ever, we might see this a new way to do meetings. Personally I feel having a 'event hotel' gives me more of a community feeling. Would be nice if we could have some data concerning this (do ppl not care as some might opt for cheaper hotels anyways, do they have a preference for one/other).
Third, as to the GM results, could the RIPE NCC give some background on the actual numbers for the votes of the charging scheme? Did option D receive a clear majority, or only in the run-off? This might be very relevant for finding the way forward.
Thanks, Alex -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode |alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221
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participants (16)
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Alex Band -
Alex de Joode -
Carsten Schiefner -
Cynthia Revström -
Dmitry Kohmanyuk -
e.vanuden＠avm.de -
Fergal Cunningham -
Hank Nussbacher -
Jim Reid -
Johan Helsingius -
Lars-Johan Liman -
Maria Matejka -
Michael Richardson -
Piotr Strzyzewski -
Tahar Schaa -
Warren Kumari