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Re: [ripe-list] Last Call for Draft Document: RIPE NCC Staff Participation in the RIPE Community
by denis walker 04 Aug '23

04 Aug '23

Hi Mirjam Sorry for yet another long email, but this is an important issue. How RIPE NCC staff talk to the community and the extent to which they are involved in community activities has always been an internal matter for the RIPE NCC to determine. Historically, different managers had different views on how their staff get involved. Now you want to formalise it and define this in a RIPE document, it is open for the community to have their say. I partially support the idea of RIPE NCC staff participating in RIPE activities 'if they choose to do so'. The relationship between the RIPE NCC and the RIPE community is complex. I don't think such a brief and vague document can address this issue. Particularly considering the perceived neutrality of the RIPE NCC as a secretariat and executive body to the RIPE community. As I pointed out in my previous comment, there are no safeguards written into this document. If a member of staff expresses a personal opinion which goes against company policy or (senior) management views, or impacts on company plans, that member of staff must not be subject to any internal disciplinary procedures. Also members of staff must not be subjected to any pressure to (not) say something in public or to (not) take up a community position, for example a WG chair, because it is considered by the RIPE NCC to be in the interests of the company. It has also been mentioned that there is a (private?) internal document on how staff can/should/must engage with the community. In the interests of openness and transparency, that internal document should be published as a RIPE NCC procedural document. Otherwise the community doesn't know the extent to which staff members are able to discuss issues with them in public. Once a staff member has made a comment, the thread may further develop until they find themselves with a conflict of interest between the direction the discussion is now going in and this internal set of rules or guidelines. Any RIPE community member may find themselves in a conflict situation between their personal view and that of their employer. But the fact that the RIPE NCC is the secretariat for the RIPE community and the executive body who implement and enforce RIPE policies may elevate such conflicts to a different level. I also noticed that this document puts the responsibility for avoiding such conflicts onto the staff members, "RIPE NCC staff need to act sensibly", "RIPE NCC staff shall take care". The tone of this document is suggesting that RIPE NCC staff will be allowed, even encouraged, to become more involved in RIPE community matters in the future, "how RIPE NCC staff can and should participate in the RIPE community". In the past such personal involvement seems to have either been discouraged or at best undefined or managed, for most of the staff. It is very rare to see a comment on a mailing list from a staff member who is not a manager, except for technical or legal announcements or responses to direct questions (which may need to be approved by a manager). In fact I have looked back at the archives for all RIPE mailing lists for this year and there are no such comments from any staff anywhere on any list. This new encouragement, by the RIPE NCC CEO, for RIPE NCC staff to freely engage with the RIPE community in public discussions and be more involved in community activities may therefore be considered as a change in the working conditions of the staff. Particularly in view of the potential for conflicts and the responsibility being on the staff to avoid such conflicts and no specified protection for staff if a conflict does arise. I believe this falls under Article 27 section d of the Dutch Works Council Act https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0002747/2023-02-18#HoofdstukIVA_Artikel27 The CEO may need consent from the Works Council at the RIPE NCC in order to implement this change in attitude and responsibility of the staff. The Works Council should seek confidential feedback from staff on how they feel about this potential change to their working conditions and responsibilities. Staff may need some training on how to engage with the community, avoiding conflicts, given the unique relationship, or how to address (the perception of) such conflicts if they should arise. Such a training scheme is also subject to Article 27 section f. If any new regulations need to be considered to protect staff from any consequences of conflicts if they follow this new encouragement to freely engage with the community, that may be subject to Article 27 sections j, g and e. So the RIPE NCC Works Council really needs to take a look at this. The bottom line is that encouraging staff to speak openly and publicly with the community has both benefits and risks. Staff have access to information that the public, and members, don't have. They can see the bigger picture and trends and practises in areas like resource allocations and usage patterns and ways in which the RIPE Database may be (mis)used. They can (and do) analyse data that the public can't even see. Sometimes the line between what you know from public data and what you know from working at the RIPE NCC can get blurred. Either all comments must be approved by management. Or staff must be allowed to speak openly and freely, expressing their personal views, without any sanctions, accepting that sometimes mistakes will be made and lines crossed. Daniel often comments on issues and makes it clear he is speaking personally and not for the RIPE NCC. But Daniel is in a privileged position. Will all staff be given the same privilege to express personal views? If they are expected to only express a collective company view then they may as well just appoint a company spokesperson to express that collective view. The rest of the staff don't need to be involved. If a staff member is a WG chair can they operate completely independently from any collective company view, even if that means opposing a company view if that is in the best interests of the WG, without any penalty? Encouraging staff to be more involved in RIPE community activities is a sensitive issue for the staff. It needs more than a couple of paragraphs and some vague principles. This document looks to have been written from a community perspective, "welcomed by the RIPE community". Is it welcomed by the staff? Has anyone asked them? Works Council or Senior Management? Or has it just been assumed the staff welcome being in both camps? Do staff want to be able to put forward an idea, argue strongly in favour of it, implement it, then take the blame if it is not right? I've been there and done that and it's not a nice place to be. Finally I would like to comment on the principles in this document. I have said many times...wording in RIPE documents is important. I am a native English speaker and an analyst with OCD, so I do see things in words more easily. But the NCC has a whole team of professional, English speaking, communications experts. Perhaps they are not used now to review these docs. Your principle No 2 "RIPE NCC staff expertise is valuable to and welcomed by the RIPE community." cannot be a recommended principle. It can be a supporting fact. But if you recommend, as a principle, that staff expertise is welcomed by the community, this becomes an instruction to the community that they must welcome this expertise. That is what these words actually say. Lastly, your principle No 1 may have unexpected consequences. "RIPE NCC staff are part of the community and may participate in RIPE activities on the same terms as anyone else.". You make no exceptions here, "same terms as anyone else". So a RIPE NCC staff member can be part of a task force, be a WG chair, be the RIPE chair (if it is no longer a full time, paid position), be a member of the next NomCom, make policy proposals, argue for or against policy proposals. So consider this possible scenario. A staff member could make a policy proposal. Other staff members could argue strongly in support of this proposal. Consensus could be declared by a WG chair who is a staff member. Any appeal would end up with the RIPE chair who could also be a staff member. The policy will then be implemented and enforced by the RIPE NCC staff. All of these people could be influenced by RIPE NCC internal company policy and allowed time within working hours to do all this. They are all FTEs paid for by the RIPE NCC membership and expected to be following RIPE activities anyway, perhaps more closely than FTEs of member companies. This is a theoretical scenario. But it does raise the question of how independent and neutral will the RIPE NCC be seen as, if it's staff can be so involved in the bottom up policy process at every level, to the point of dominating and controlling, considering the often lack of other community member involvement. I think some more thought is needed for this document. cheers denis co-chair DB-WG member of RIPE community former RIPE NCC staff member former chair RIPE NCC Works Council (for full disclosure) On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 at 12:00, <ripe-list-request(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir(a)zu-hause.nl> > > Dear colleagues, > > The deadline for comments for the draft document “RIPE NCC Staff > Participation in the RIPE Community” [1] ended. Many thanks for all the > comments sent to the RIPE list. > > There was a lot of support for the document, especially for the > principle that RIPE NCC staff are part of the RIPE community. It is > great to see that RIPE NCC staff is welcome and valued by community > members. > > There were some suggestions to explicitly allow RIPE staff to take on > certain community roles. Other community members disagreed and cautioned > that this could lead to conflict of interests. Hans Petter Holen > clarified that there are also RIPE NCC internal guidelines for staff. > > There were no concrete suggestions for changes in the document. > I believe that the current version is ready for adoption and publication > as a RIPE Document and would like to confirm this. > > This is therefore a LAST CALL for comments, to expire on Monday 10 July > at 06:00 UTC (08:00 Amsterdam time). Unless there are some substantial > comments, I look forward to declaring consensus and arranging > publication shortly after that. > > Kind regards, > Mirjam Kühne > RIPE Chair > > [1] RIPE NCC Staff Participation in the RIPE Community > https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-documents/other-documents/ripe-… > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list

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New on the RIPE Labs Podcast: Mapping the Geopolitical Internet
by Alun Davies 01 Aug '23

01 Aug '23

Dear colleagues, In the latest episode of the RIPE Labs podcast, I talk to Louis Pétiniaud about the work he and his colleagues at GEODE have been doing to map the dialectical relationship between the development of the Internet and various geopolitical forces: https://labs.ripe.net/author/alun_davies/mapping-the-geopolitical-internet/ As well as giving us a glimpse into specific power relationships between countries and their influence on the growth of the Internet, the project is a fascinating example of how experts from inside and outside the technical community can build common languages and tools to examine how their domains influence each other. I hope you enjoy the conversation! Best regards, Alun Davies RIPE Labs Editor RIPE NCC

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Thank you and goodbye
by ntrenaman 28 Jul '23

28 Jul '23

Dear colleagues, After 16 years I’ll be leaving the RIPE NCC. From my first day in Registration Services until my last day in the RPKI team, it has been an honour and pleasure to work with all of you. The RIPE NCC gave me the opportunity to grow as a person and to keep learning every single day. It also gave me the privilege to travel and teach, to meet thousands of people in our community. Some of you became friends for life. I learned from every trip, and from every person I met, making me a proud ambassador of the RIPE NCC. With the RPKI team, we have set high standards for trust, transparency and security for both RPKI and the rest of RIPE NCC. I'm very proud of this achievement and I will miss working with this dedicated, smart and wonderful team. The RIPE community means a lot to me. So many people volunteer their time to improve the Internet in different ways. I’m grateful for all your work, time and effort. My work with NLNOG and Keep Ukraine Connected will obviously continue and I’m deeply passionate about what we work to achieve in both of those community initiatives and their force for good. Also, I will continue promoting IPv6 adoption wherever I can (by now, that’s in my DNA 😉). My last day will be 31 July. After that, you can always reach the RPKI team at <rpki(a)ripe.net>. Best regards, Nathalie Trenaman

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New on RIPE Labs: Approaching the IETF - A View from Civil Society
by Alun Davies 25 Jul '23

25 Jul '23

Dear colleagues, In this new article on RIPE Labs, Dan Sexton (CTO at IWF) talks about his experience of taking part in IETF 116 to raise discussion around civil society issues regarding the safety of the Internet for children: https://labs.ripe.net/author/dan-sexton/approaching-the-ietf-a-view-from-ci… Best regards, Alun Davies RIPE Labs Editor RIPE NCC

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Re: [ripe-list] [ENOG discuss] Sunsetting ENOG - sunsetting of RIPE?
by hmi＠ripe.net 25 Jul '23

25 Jul '23

Hello Alexander, Thank you for your email I hear your concerns. I want to assure you that we at the RIPE NCC have not decided to abandon activities in any part of our service region. We do however prioritise the safety of our staff and community members when engaging in areas experiencing times of disputes, disasters and wars. Sadly, our service region has encountered such times on numerous occasions, giving us experience in dealing with such situations. We always strive to strike a balance between serving our technical community needs and ensuring safe participation. In the meantime, our online engagement activities* are geared at removing barriers to participation and continue to provide support to all communities. For the most part our technical topics are relevant across our region with only a limited number being country specific. Everything we do is to support an open, inclusive and engaged RIPE community. Best regards Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC * I did my best to compile a short list of these online engagements hope these are useful: - E-learning: Study at your own pace online with the RIPE NCC Academy e-learning courses: https://academy.ripe.net/ - Webinars: Live online and interactive learning: https://learning.ripe.net/w/courses/cat-15-webinars/ - Open House: Connect with experts from the RIPE NCC and our wider network for a focused discussion on topics of interest to you: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/previous-events - RIPE Labs: It's a place to showcase and test new tools and prototypes where experts share analyses and discuss topics relevant to the state of the Internet right now and where those new to the community can get the resources they need to find their way Into the conversation. https://labs.ripe.net/ - RIPE NCC Forum: You use this forum to ask about anything related to the RIPE NCC talk to other RIPE NCC members share your thoughts on technical developments ask for help and more! https://forum.ripe.net/ > On 3 Jul 2023, at 8:51 PM, Alexander Isavnin <isavnin(a)freemoscow.university> wrote: > > Dear Hisham! > > Thank you for the kind words to the ones, who contributed their time and effort to ENOG! > > Did i got right from your e-mail, that RIPE NCC is going to abandon it’s activities in Russia? No Internet Measurement Days or RIPE NCC days seen in forseeable meeting plans on the website. > So called Baykal NOG you’ve mentioned is the sales-oriented commercial conference aka x-cos.ru <http://x-cos.ru/>, previously sponsored by SORM surviellance equipment producers. > > Abandoning technical community in one country (even insistently requested by some persons from other) could lead to abandoning in other countries, and then fading role of the whole technical community and sunsetting of RIPE. > > Kind regards, > Alexander Isavnin > > Пн, 3 июля 2023 г. в 16:05, Hisham Ibrahim <hmi(a)ripe.net <mailto:hmi@ripe.net>>: >> Dear colleagues, >> >> ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region. >> >> Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF) session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter [1]. >> >> These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion. >> >> In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade. >> >> The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to speak at events or supporting NOGs. >> >> Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine. >> >> We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place within the region [3]. >> >> Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support the technical communities in your region. >> >> Regards, >> Hisham Ibrahim >> Chief Community Officer >> RIPE NCC >> >> [1] A request to terminate ENOG: https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/discuss@enog.org/thread/3AJSUF… >> >> [2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent: >> https://www.ripe.net/capif-2 >> >> [3] Network Operator Groups: >> https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/ >> _______________________________________________ >> discuss mailing list -- discuss(a)enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave(a)enog.org <mailto:discuss-leave@enog.org>

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The RIPE Team Reports: July 2023
by Mirjam Kuehne 13 Jul '23

13 Jul '23

Dear colleagues, Looking back over developments that came out of RIPE 86, we're reporting on the various activities and events that keep the community busy this summer: https://labs.ripe.net/author/mirjam_kuhne/the-ripe-chair-team-reports-july-… Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE Chair

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RIPE87 Call for Presentations now open!
by Massimiliano Stucchi 10 Jul '23

10 Jul '23

Dear colleagues, The RIPE Programme Committee (PC) is now seeking content proposals for plenary presentations, lighting talks, tutorials and BoFs at RIPE 87. This meeting will take place in Rome from 27 November - 1 December 2023. RIPE 87 will be a hybrid meeting, so both in-person and remote presentations are encouraged and will be accepted. The deadline to submit a presentation proposal is Monday, 18 September 2023. Proposals submitted after this date will only be considered if there are still time slots available. You can read more about the CfP and submit your proposal at: https://ripe87.ripe.net/submit-topic/cfp/ More about the RIPE87 Meeting: https://ripe87.ripe.net Kind regards, Max (On Behalf of the RIPE Programme Committee) -- Massimiliano Stucchi MS16801-RIPE Mastodon: @stucchimax@social.secret-wg.org

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RIPE 86 Community Plenary Minutes
by Mirjam Kuehne 06 Jul '23

06 Jul '23

Dear colleagues, The minutes of the RIPE 86 Community Plenary are now online: https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/ripe-community-plenary/minutes/ripe-8… Please let me know if you have any comments. Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE Chair

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Sunsetting ENOG
by Hisham Ibrahim 06 Jul '23

06 Jul '23

Dear colleagues, ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region. Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF) session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter [1]. These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion. In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade. The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to speak at events or supporting NOGs. Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine. We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place within the region [3]. Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support the technical communities in your region. Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC [1] A request to terminate ENOG: https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/discuss@enog.org/thread/3AJSUF… [2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent: https://www.ripe.net/capif-2 [3] Network Operator Groups: https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/

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Re: [ripe-list] [ENOG discuss] Re: Sunsetting ENOG - sunsetting of RIPE?
by Алексей Учакин 05 Jul '23

05 Jul '23

Hi, all! I would like to believe that this "freeze" in RIPE NCC' activities in Russia is connected just with formal issues. And I want to believe that RIPE NCC will try to unite its members (and members of RIPE community) in different ways. BTW, as a co-host of linkmeup[1], I'm ready to provide slots in our podcast and our off-line meetup in Moscow[2] to discuss any technical topics relevant for ENOG meetings. [1] - https://t.me/linkmeup_podcast [2] - https://meetup.linkmeup.ru/ пн, 3 июл. 2023 г. в 20:51, Alexander Isavnin <isavnin(a)freemoscow.university >: > Dear Hisham! > > Thank you for the kind words to the ones, who contributed their time and > effort to ENOG! > > Did i got right from your e-mail, that RIPE NCC is going to abandon it’s > activities in Russia? No Internet Measurement Days or RIPE NCC days seen in > forseeable meeting plans on the website. > So called Baykal NOG you’ve mentioned is the sales-oriented commercial > conference aka x-cos.ru, previously sponsored by SORM surviellance > equipment producers. > > Abandoning technical community in one country (even insistently requested > by some persons from other) could lead to abandoning in other countries, > and then fading role of the whole technical community and sunsetting of > RIPE. > > Kind regards, > Alexander Isavnin > > Пн, 3 июля 2023 г. в 16:05, Hisham Ibrahim <hmi(a)ripe.net>: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as >> a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in >> Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region. >> >> Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG >> Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we >> heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF) >> session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at >> RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an >> email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter >> [1]. >> >> These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing >> engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s >> willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of >> these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC >> regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a >> platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful >> outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a >> constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion. >> >> In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and >> sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as >> a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we >> will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone >> who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade. >> >> The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical >> communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more >> localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to >> speak at events or supporting NOGs. >> >> Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first >> Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last >> year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent, >> Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller >> events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the >> region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan >> which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ >> NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central >> Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We >> continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various >> online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine. >> >> We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place >> within the region [3]. >> >> Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support >> the technical communities in your region. >> >> Regards, >> Hisham Ibrahim >> Chief Community Officer >> RIPE NCC >> >> [1] A request to terminate ENOG: >> https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/discuss@enog.org/thread/3AJSUF… >> >> [2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent: >> https://www.ripe.net/capif-2 >> >> [3] Network Operator Groups: >> https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/ >> _______________________________________________ >> discuss mailing list -- discuss(a)enog.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave(a)enog.org >> > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list -- discuss(a)enog.org > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave(a)enog.org > -- С уважением Учакин Алексей.

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