Invoices partial payment
Hi All, I would like to ask NCC to implement the posibility to pay the RIPE NCC invoices with credit card in several payments, i.e. implement partial payment of the invoice? As the NCC bills increased, it is not possible to pay it with the card at once, because of payment limits in many banks. Even the base fee without a lot of ASNs and sponsored resources may not fit. May be other LIRs have similar problems - please tell support it. Thank you!
30.01.2025 22:55, Max Tulyev:
Hi All,
I would like to ask NCC to implement the posibility to pay the RIPE NCC invoices with credit card in several payments, i.e. implement partial payment of the invoice?
As the NCC bills increased, it is not possible to pay it with the card at once, because of payment limits in many banks. Even the base fee without a lot of ASNs and sponsored resources may not fit.
May be other LIRs have similar problems - please tell support it.
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Yes, I confirm the problem. Especially relevant for LIR from Ukraine, where there are additional restrictions on currency transactions. -- ---------------------- https://kyivlink.com https://t.me/kyivlink https://fb.com/kyivlink 044 332 9555 093 332 9555
hi! I fully support the request to split the payment via credit card. We (LIR ua.hostmaster) are also unable to complete the payment because the total amount exceeds the maximum allowed limit for international transactions. Moreover, we are unable to make a bank transfer via wire transfer since our contract is quite old. Hostmaster Ltd is proud to be RIPE member since 2009, but our one-page agreement from that time lacks the mandatory banking details, and the bank refuses to accept it. Therefore, the only viable option for us to pay for RIPE services is via credit card. We kindly ask you to consider splitting the payment into multiple installments. Thank you for your understanding.
On 30 Jan 2025, at 22:55, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> wrote:
Hi All,
I would like to ask NCC to implement the posibility to pay the RIPE NCC invoices with credit card in several payments, i.e. implement partial payment of the invoice?
As the NCC bills increased, it is not possible to pay it with the card at once, because of payment limits in many banks. Even the base fee without a lot of ASNs and sponsored resources may not fit.
May be other LIRs have similar problems - please tell support it.
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** *Dear Max, Oleg, Svitlana, and all,Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention - we have also heard this from colleagues who are in contact with members in Ukraine. We are currently looking into what we can do to help in this regard.* * Unfortunately, it turns out that this will not be a simple solution that we can offer for all online payments because there is manual work involved. It seems as though we can do this on a per-request basis, but this will first need to be tested and confirmed. I have reached out to Max and Oleg to see if they are willing to help test this possible solution.Our plan and hope is that this solution does indeed work and we can offer it on a per-request basis. The current solution does involve considerable manual effort, so our thinking is to only provide this solution to members who really need it.After we can confirm that our potential solution works, and we have set up a work process to ensure we can correctly administer the transactions, we will report back to this list. Kind regards, Simon Jan Haytink CFO RIPE NCC * On 31/01/2025 12:38, Svitlana Tkachenko via ncc-services-wg wrote:
hi!
I fully support the request to split the payment via credit card. We (LIR ua.hostmaster) are also unable to complete the payment because the total amount exceeds the maximum allowed limit for international transactions.
Moreover, we are unable to make a bank transfer via wire transfer since our contract is quite old. Hostmaster Ltd is proud to be RIPE member since 2009, but our one-page agreement from that time lacks the mandatory banking details, and the bank refuses to accept it.
Therefore, the only viable option for us to pay for RIPE services is via credit card. We kindly ask you to consider splitting the payment into multiple installments.
Thank you for your understanding.
On 30 Jan 2025, at 22:55, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> wrote:
Hi All,
I would like to ask NCC to implement the posibility to pay the RIPE NCC invoices with credit card in several payments, i.e. implement partial payment of the invoice?
As the NCC bills increased, it is not possible to pay it with the card at once, because of payment limits in many banks. Even the base fee without a lot of ASNs and sponsored resources may not fit.
May be other LIRs have similar problems - please tell support it.
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Hello We need this solution as well. -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 31.01.2025 17:24, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:
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*Dear Max, Oleg, Svitlana, and all,Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention - we have also heard this from colleagues who are in contact with members in Ukraine. We are currently looking into what we can do to help in this regard.*
*
Unfortunately, it turns out that this will not be a simple solution that we can offer for all online payments because there is manual work involved. It seems as though we can do this on a per-request basis, but this will first need to be tested and confirmed.
I have reached out to Max and Oleg to see if they are willing to help test this possible solution.Our plan and hope is that this solution does indeed work and we can offer it on a per-request basis. The current solution does involve considerable manual effort, so our thinking is to only provide this solution to members who really need it.After we can confirm that our potential solution works, and we have set up a work process to ensure we can correctly administer the transactions, we will report back to this list.
Kind regards,
Simon Jan Haytink
CFO RIPE NCC
*
On 31/01/2025 12:38, Svitlana Tkachenko via ncc-services-wg wrote:
hi!
I fully support the request to split the payment via credit card. We (LIR ua.hostmaster) are also unable to complete the payment because the total amount exceeds the maximum allowed limit for international transactions.
Moreover, we are unable to make a bank transfer via wire transfer since our contract is quite old. Hostmaster Ltd is proud to be RIPE member since 2009, but our one-page agreement from that time lacks the mandatory banking details, and the bank refuses to accept it.
Therefore, the only viable option for us to pay for RIPE services is via credit card. We kindly ask you to consider splitting the payment into multiple installments.
Thank you for your understanding.
On 30 Jan 2025, at 22:55, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> wrote:
Hi All,
I would like to ask NCC to implement the posibility to pay the RIPE NCC invoices with credit card in several payments, i.e. implement partial payment of the invoice?
As the NCC bills increased, it is not possible to pay it with the card at once, because of payment limits in many banks. Even the base fee without a lot of ASNs and sponsored resources may not fit.
May be other LIRs have similar problems - please tell support it.
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Hello, RIPE team Yes, we are ready for testing and will be happy to assist. 31.01.2025 17:24, Simon-Jan Haytink:
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*Dear Max, Oleg, Svitlana, and all,Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention - we have also heard this from colleagues who are in contact with members in Ukraine. We are currently looking into what we can do to help in this regard.*
*
Unfortunately, it turns out that this will not be a simple solution that we can offer for all online payments because there is manual work involved. It seems as though we can do this on a per-request basis, but this will first need to be tested and confirmed.
I have reached out to Max and Oleg to see if they are willing to help test this possible solution.Our plan and hope is that this solution does indeed work and we can offer it on a per-request basis. The current solution does involve considerable manual effort, so our thinking is to only provide this solution to members who really need it.After we can confirm that our potential solution works, and we have set up a work process to ensure we can correctly administer the transactions, we will report back to this list.
Kind regards,
Simon Jan Haytink
CFO RIPE NCC
* On 31/01/2025 12:38, Svitlana Tkachenko via ncc-services-wg wrote:
hi!
I fully support the request to split the payment via credit card. We (LIR ua.hostmaster) are also unable to complete the payment because the total amount exceeds the maximum allowed limit for international transactions.
Moreover, we are unable to make a bank transfer via wire transfer since our contract is quite old. Hostmaster Ltd is proud to be RIPE member since 2009, but our one-page agreement from that time lacks the mandatory banking details, and the bank refuses to accept it.
Therefore, the only viable option for us to pay for RIPE services is via credit card. We kindly ask you to consider splitting the payment into multiple installments.
Thank you for your understanding.
On 30 Jan 2025, at 22:55, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> wrote:
Hi All,
I would like to ask NCC to implement the posibility to pay the RIPE NCC invoices with credit card in several payments, i.e. implement partial payment of the invoice?
As the NCC bills increased, it is not possible to pay it with the card at once, because of payment limits in many banks. Even the base fee without a lot of ASNs and sponsored resources may not fit.
May be other LIRs have similar problems - please tell support it.
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Hi all I apologize to the community for the delay in responding. I had previously decided to look into the issue in more detail. However, due to certain circumstances, it took longer than I expected. Maybe I'm wrong about something, but overall this information should be useful. So, currently, there are several working payment options for LIR from Ukraine. First. Online payment by card (hryvnia card) There are NBU restrictions on payments on foreign sites. Therefore, it is possible to pay bills in the amount of approximately 2,300 euros. For a large number of LIRs, this will be sufficient, as the Service Fee per LIR is currently 1,800 euros. For example, membership fees and support for 1 autonomous system will amount to 1850 euros. So if you only sponsor a few objects, you can use this option. Second. Online payment by card (currency card) The amount of a foreign currency payment is limited only by the card limits that we specify ourselves. Therefore, we can top up our foreign currency account with cash euros at a bank branch and make an online payment. Third. SWIFT payment No limits on the transfer amount. If you have never made a SWIFT payment, please contact your bank manager for assistance. The need for payment is confirmed by an invoice from RIPE. You may also need to provide a copy of your RIPE agreement. The cost of this service is 25 euros (Privatbank). It looks like there are payment options available at this time. 31.01.2025 18:02, Oleg Zinkov:
Hello, RIPE team
Yes, we are ready for testing and will be happy to assist.
31.01.2025 17:24, Simon-Jan Haytink:
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*Dear Max, Oleg, Svitlana, and all,Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention - we have also heard this from colleagues who are in contact with members in Ukraine. We are currently looking into what we can do to help in this regard.*
*
Unfortunately, it turns out that this will not be a simple solution that we can offer for all online payments because there is manual work involved. It seems as though we can do this on a per-request basis, but this will first need to be tested and confirmed.
I have reached out to Max and Oleg to see if they are willing to help test this possible solution.Our plan and hope is that this solution does indeed work and we can offer it on a per-request basis. The current solution does involve considerable manual effort, so our thinking is to only provide this solution to members who really need it.After we can confirm that our potential solution works, and we have set up a work process to ensure we can correctly administer the transactions, we will report back to this list.
Kind regards,
Simon Jan Haytink
CFO RIPE NCC
* On 31/01/2025 12:38, Svitlana Tkachenko via ncc-services-wg wrote:
hi!
I fully support the request to split the payment via credit card. We (LIR ua.hostmaster) are also unable to complete the payment because the total amount exceeds the maximum allowed limit for international transactions.
Moreover, we are unable to make a bank transfer via wire transfer since our contract is quite old. Hostmaster Ltd is proud to be RIPE member since 2009, but our one-page agreement from that time lacks the mandatory banking details, and the bank refuses to accept it.
Therefore, the only viable option for us to pay for RIPE services is via credit card. We kindly ask you to consider splitting the payment into multiple installments.
Thank you for your understanding.
On 30 Jan 2025, at 22:55, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> wrote:
Hi All,
I would like to ask NCC to implement the posibility to pay the RIPE NCC invoices with credit card in several payments, i.e. implement partial payment of the invoice?
As the NCC bills increased, it is not possible to pay it with the card at once, because of payment limits in many banks. Even the base fee without a lot of ASNs and sponsored resources may not fit.
May be other LIRs have similar problems - please tell support it.
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Hi All, On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 19:10:05 +0200 Oleg Zinkov via ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Second. Online payment by card (currency card) The amount of a foreign currency payment is limited only by the card limits that we specify ourselves. Therefore, we can top up our foreign currency account with cash euros at a bank branch and make an online payment.
The problem is you need to get cash Euros from somewhere. It is not possible now "just to buy EUR in your bank".
Third. SWIFT payment No limits on the transfer amount. If you have never made a SWIFT payment, please contact your bank manager for assistance. The need for payment is confirmed by an invoice from RIPE. You may also need to provide a copy of your RIPE agreement. The cost of this service is 25 euros (Privatbank).
That's most right, legal and correct option. But we tried several banks, and they just reject the payment. Last time it was because of there is word "Moscow" in the (old?) blank of the RIPE NCC contract. It is a good idea if RIPE NCC will share the list of Ukrainian banks that allow payments to RIPE NCC...
Guys, got a hint ) PayPal's the most useful option. Firstly, you can aggregate money from a several bank accounts to a single PP. Secondly, you always could think forward and save some money on PP account for the next year ) Cheers ;) — Vadim Alimov Maximum-Net LLC CEO vadim@alimov.net mobile/viber/telegram/whatsapp/signal: +38 067 827-05-77
On 17 Feb 2025, at 18:33, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> wrote:
Hi All,
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 19:10:05 +0200 Oleg Zinkov via ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Second. Online payment by card (currency card) The amount of a foreign currency payment is limited only by the card limits that we specify ourselves. Therefore, we can top up our foreign currency account with cash euros at a bank branch and make an online payment.
The problem is you need to get cash Euros from somewhere. It is not possible now "just to buy EUR in your bank".
Third. SWIFT payment No limits on the transfer amount. If you have never made a SWIFT payment, please contact your bank manager for assistance. The need for payment is confirmed by an invoice from RIPE. You may also need to provide a copy of your RIPE agreement. The cost of this service is 25 euros (Privatbank).
That's most right, legal and correct option. But we tried several banks, and they just reject the payment. Last time it was because of there is word "Moscow" in the (old?) blank of the RIPE NCC contract.
It is a good idea if RIPE NCC will share the list of Ukrainian banks that allow payments to RIPE NCC... ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ncc-services-wg.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
...and then got PP account blocked with your money forever. Nice advice, bro! P.S. You can google a lot of stories about it. On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:49:05 +0100 Vadim Alimov <vadim@alimov.net> wrote:
Guys, got a hint )
PayPal's the most useful option. Firstly, you can aggregate money from a several bank accounts to a single PP. Secondly, you always could think forward and save some money on PP account for the next year )
Cheers ;) — Vadim Alimov Maximum-Net LLC CEO vadim@alimov.net mobile/viber/telegram/whatsapp/signal: +38 067 827-05-77
On 17 Feb 2025, at 18:33, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> wrote:
Hi All,
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 19:10:05 +0200 Oleg Zinkov via ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Second. Online payment by card (currency card) The amount of a foreign currency payment is limited only by the card limits that we specify ourselves. Therefore, we can top up our foreign currency account with cash euros at a bank branch and make an online payment.
The problem is you need to get cash Euros from somewhere. It is not possible now "just to buy EUR in your bank".
Third. SWIFT payment No limits on the transfer amount. If you have never made a SWIFT payment, please contact your bank manager for assistance. The need for payment is confirmed by an invoice from RIPE. You may also need to provide a copy of your RIPE agreement. The cost of this service is 25 euros (Privatbank).
That's most right, legal and correct option. But we tried several banks, and they just reject the payment. Last time it was because of there is word "Moscow" in the (old?) blank of the RIPE NCC contract.
It is a good idea if RIPE NCC will share the list of Ukrainian banks that allow payments to RIPE NCC... ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ncc-services-wg.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
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Max Tulyev -
Oleg Zinkov -
Simon-Jan Haytink -
Svitlana Tkachenko -
Vadim Alimov -
Yuri Varenitsa