Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
Dear colleagues, How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. !!Not here in the working group.!! The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk
+1Regards, Kseniia -------- Оригінальне повідомлення --------Від: vs@liptel.net.ua Дата: 18.12.22 11:11 (GMT+01:00) Кому: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Тема: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Dear colleagues,How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference?RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs.THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. !!Not here in the working group.!! The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user.The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative.Best regards,Viktor Stoliarchuk
Hello I agree 18.12.2022 12:10, vs@liptel.net.ua
Dear colleagues,
How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference?
RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies.
I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs.
THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers.
!!Not here in the working group.!!
The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user.
The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions)
It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No.
(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.)
I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative.
Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk
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I agree -------- Исходное сообщение --------От: vs@liptel.net.ua Дата: 18.12.2022 10:39 (GMT+01:00) Кому: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Тема: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Dear colleagues,How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference?RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs.THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. !!Not here in the working group.!! The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user.The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative.Best regards,Viktor Stoliarchuk
Hello I totally agree. Everyone should have the possibility to vote and tell it's opinion, if we live in a democracy world, of course. -- Best regards, Alexandra On 18.12.22 13:09, dem wrote:
I agree
-------- Исходное сообщение -------- От: vs@liptel.net.ua Дата: 18.12.2022 10:39 (GMT+01:00) Кому: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Тема: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
Dear colleagues,
How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference?
RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies.
I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs.
THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers.
!!Not here in the working group.!!
The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user.
The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions)
It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No.
(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.)
I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative.
Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk
Hello everyone, I support polling IPv4 objects holders. Using this way RIPE can really protect the interests of its customers. вс, 18 дек. 2022 г. в 13:34, Askochenskaya Alexandra <askoch@merezha.net>:
Hello
I totally agree. Everyone should have the possibility to vote and tell it's opinion, if we live in a democracy world, of course.
-- Best regards, Alexandra
On 18.12.22 13:09, dem wrote:
I agree
-------- Исходное сообщение -------- От: vs@liptel.net.ua Дата: 18.12.2022 10:39 (GMT+01:00) Кому: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Тема: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
Dear colleagues,
How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference?
RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies.
I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs.
THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers.
!!Not here in the working group.!!
The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user.
The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions)
It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No.
(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.)
I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative.
Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk
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Hi Viktor, I can’t understand why do we need a _survey_ if we are working on policy. A policy shouldn’t be done for a single country. -- Best regards, Sergey Myasoedov
On Dec 18, 2022, at 05:10, vs@liptel.net.ua wrote:
Dear colleagues,
How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference?
RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies.
I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs.
THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers.
!!Not here in the working group.!!
The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user.
The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions)
It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No.
(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.)
I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative.
Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk --
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U r right, but do not limit the rights of clients of a single country while you are working on a security policy. вс, 18 дек. 2022 г. в 18:35, Sergey Myasoedov via ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg@ripe.net>:
Hi Viktor,
I can’t understand why do we need a _survey_ if we are working on policy. A policy shouldn’t be done for a single country.
-- Best regards, Sergey Myasoedov
On Dec 18, 2022, at 05:10, vs@liptel.net.ua wrote:
Dear colleagues,
How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference?
RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies.
I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs.
THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers.
!!Not here in the working group.!!
The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user.
The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions)
It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No.
(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.)
I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative.
Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk --
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Do I understand correctly that right now you are writing policy for Ukraine, having never been here during the war? Will these be new proposals to get paper documents after going under missile attack to a government office where there is no light? Your European idea of security does not actually protect objects, but creates more problems for Ukrainian companies. Moreover, it is already the end of the year and soon there will be new payments for lirs. I propose to write policies in Kyiv, and even better in Kharkov or Kherson. and then you will definitely see how to protect what you are trying to take away from us: the freedom to make decisions. Please, write policies, but let Ukrainian companies work, and don't block the already long-suffering economy. Regards, Viktor От: Sergey Myasoedov <sergey@devnull.ru> Кому: <vs@liptel.net.ua>, <ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> Отправлено: 18.12.2022 18:35 Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Hi Viktor, I can’t understand why do we need a _survey_ if we are working on policy. A policy shouldn’t be done for a single country. -- Best regards, Sergey Myasoedov
On Dec 18, 2022, at 05:10, vs@liptel.net.ua wrote:
Dear colleagues,
How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference?
RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies.
I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs.
THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers.
!!Not here in the working group.!!
The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user.
The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions)
It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No.
(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.)
I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative.
Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk --
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Can we get any kind of official statement from the RIPE NCC on the current status on this? If the RIPE NCC are indeed blocking transfers in violation of the current RIPE policies despite @hph@ripe.net<mailto:hph@ripe.net>'s previous statement on this then affected LIRs should, if the transactions in question are high value enough, consider taking legal action against the NCC and this should be kept in mind for the next board elections. — Matthias Merkel [https://cdn.staclar.com/logos/novecore/newlogo.png] [Sent from Front] On December 19, 2022 at 2:02 PM GMT+1 vs@liptel.net.ua<mailto:vs@liptel.net.ua> wrote: Do I understand correctly that right now you are writing policy for Ukraine, having never been here during the war? Will these be new proposals to get paper documents after going under missile attack to a government office where there is no light? Your European idea of security does not actually protect objects, but creates more problems for Ukrainian companies. Moreover, it is already the end of the year and soon there will be new payments for lirs. I propose to write policies in Kyiv, and even better in Kharkov or Kherson. and then you will definitely see how to protect what you are trying to take away from us: the freedom to make decisions. Please, write policies, but let Ukrainian companies work, and don't block the already long-suffering economy. Regards, Viktor От: Sergey Myasoedov <sergey@devnull.ru<mailto:sergey@devnull.ru>> Кому: <vs@liptel.net.ua<mailto:vs@liptel.net.ua>>, <ncc-services-wg@ripe.net<mailto:ncc-services-wg@ripe.net>> Отправлено: 18.12.2022 18:35 Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Hi Viktor, I can’t understand why do we need a _survey_ if we are working on policy. A policy shouldn’t be done for a single country. -- Best regards, Sergey Myasoedov
On Dec 18, 2022, at 05:10, vs@liptel.net.ua<mailto:vs@liptel.net.ua> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference?
RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies.
I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs.
THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers.
!!Not here in the working group.!!
The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user.
The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions)
It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No.
(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.)
I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative.
Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk --
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Hi, On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 01:12:05PM +0000, Matthias Merkel wrote:
Can we get any kind of official statement from the RIPE NCC on the current status on this?
Seconded. There were decisions, there are complaints, and there is lots of official silence, which is not what "we" normally do. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi,
On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 01:12:05PM +0000, Matthias Merkel wrote:
Can we get any kind of official statement from the RIPE NCC on the current status on this?
Seconded. There were decisions, there are complaints, and there is lots of official silence, which is not what "we" normally do.
+1 I was very much in favour of offering Ukrainian (and other) LIRs the *option* to lock transfers in some way. It was obvious at the last RIPE meeting that some Ukrainians would like such a lock, and others wouldn’t. One size didn’t fit all. But now everything is locked, without giving the LIRs any choice. That seems wrong to me. RIPE NCC is an association, by and for the members. Cheers, Sander
Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Can we get any kind of official statement from the RIPE NCC on the current status on this?
The explanation for the extra delays was made on this mailing list by Hans Petter Holen on Wed, 2 Nov 2022:
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
However, if the delays would become too important, I suppose this decision should be reversed.
Delays are expected, but it now seems like transfers are paused entirely. If this is not the case then perhaps the NCC should clarify? — Matthias Merkel [https://cdn.staclar.com/logos/novecore/newlogo.png] [Sent from Front] On December 19, 2022 at 2:37 PM GMT+1 pbd.ripe.ncc.services.wg@urdn.com.ua<mailto:pbd.ripe.ncc.services.wg@urdn.com.ua> wrote: Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> wrote:
Can we get any kind of official statement from the RIPE NCC on the current status on this?
The explanation for the extra delays was made on this mailing list by Hans Petter Holen on Wed, 2 Nov 2022:
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
However, if the delays would become too important, I suppose this decision should be reversed. -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg
+1 On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 1:38 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Delays are expected, but it now seems like transfers are paused entirely. If this is not the case then perhaps the NCC should clarify?
— Matthias Merkel [image: Sent from Front]
On December 19, 2022 at 2:37 PM GMT+1 pbd.ripe.ncc.services.wg@urdn.com.ua wrote:
Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Can we get any kind of official statement from the RIPE NCC on the current status on this?
The explanation for the extra delays was made on this mailing list by Hans Petter Holen on Wed, 2 Nov 2022:
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
However, if the delays would become too important, I suppose this decision should be reversed.
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There are no _delays_. ALL transfers are stopped. So in fact we are facing the ban, but with a bureaucratic wrapping named "escalation with delays". Why not a clear ban? Because they already said there are clear no consensus for this action. But they did that ban anyway. So, only retirement of all NCC board is the solution now. 19.12.22 15:37, Paul BD пише:
Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Can we get any kind of official statement from the RIPE NCC on the current status on this?
The explanation for the extra delays was made on this mailing list by Hans Petter Holen on Wed, 2 Nov 2022:
As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised.
However, if the delays would become too important, I suppose this decision should be reversed.
Of course they will not reply. We are seeing now the finish of "afrinicization" of RIPE NCC. NCC is no more community and consensus driving. They works on behalf on some "crystal clear" government people, probably for free, but I'm not sure. So enjoy it. I see the only way to return all things back by retirement all RIPE NCC board and new ejections. Do people support this or the afrinic way? 19.12.22 15:12, Matthias Merkel пише:
Can we get any kind of official statement from the RIPE NCC on the current status on this?
If the RIPE NCC are indeed blocking transfers in violation of the current RIPE policies despite @hph@ripe.net <mailto:hph@ripe.net>'s previous statement on this then affected LIRs should, if the transactions in question are high value enough, consider taking legal action against the NCC and this should be kept in mind for the next board elections.
Hi Max,
Of course they will not reply.
We are seeing now the finish of "afrinicization" of RIPE NCC. NCC is no more community and consensus driving. They works on behalf on some "crystal clear" government people, probably for free, but I'm not sure.
Please keep such unfounded accusations to yourself Sander
If I see no clear reason for some action, I will come up with the most appropriate one. And it is not good for sure. Because it looks like this I said. 19.12.22 15:50, Sander Steffann пише:
Hi Max,
Of course they will not reply.
We are seeing now the finish of "afrinicization" of RIPE NCC. NCC is no more community and consensus driving. They works on behalf on some "crystal clear" government people, probably for free, but I'm not sure.
Please keep such unfounded accusations to yourself Sander
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