[ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss
1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented?
The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.
2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention?
Limit (or even stop) the creation of additional accounts (per member) and put checks in place that the IP addresses are being used according to guidelines. Adding additional costs could be a deterrent but since this is not an economical issue, I don't think this is the route to go. Requesting v4 addresses be returned is a temporary fix only - we should be encouraging and promoting v6 so that this becomes is a non-issue asap. Regards, Dave ________________________________ Von: Nigel Titley<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net> Gesendet: 11.02.2016 18:02 An: ncc-announce@ripe.net<mailto:ncc-announce@ripe.net> Betreff: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to discuss the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts. There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in November 2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR accounts, each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run against the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board decided to temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open additional LIR accounts. The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8 policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has allocated more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the pool. ACTION REQUIRED: The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and discuss the following points: 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented? 2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention? Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this article on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-lir-accounts?pk_campaign=members&pk_kwd=list-ncc The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members Discuss mailing list <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>. The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the next Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome of that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to vote on at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016. Best regards, Nigel Titley RIPE NCC Executive Board ________________________________ Diese E-Mail enth?lt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese E-Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser E-Mail ist nicht gestattet. This e-mail contains confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ITVT GmbH Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB21862 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Jochen Klipfel, Patrick Kreuzer, J?rgen Lorenz
Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:
1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented?
The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.
+1 I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company: # wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt # cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn 36 uk.ngs ... 10 ae.hax Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course. HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-) https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR. 221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad! Really, RIPE? Cheers Markus
Thank you Markus, to bring that to our attention. I would ask if this is already abusive behavior in the community terms, and can lead to legal consequences? Since we all surely want to know how is the term “abusive behavior” defined. Matthias
On 17.02.2016, at 14:27, Markus <universe@truemetal.org> wrote:
Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:
1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented?
The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.
+1
I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:
# wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt # cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn
36 uk.ngs ... 10 ae.hax
Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.
HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-) https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html
NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.
221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!
Really, RIPE?
Cheers Markus
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So RIPE has suspend this action since the 19th of November 2015 and asks should it allow it in General Meeting on the May 31st, doesn't it? ----- Best regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO Tel.: +7 926 6908729 17.02.2016, 16:28, "Markus" <universe@truemetal.org>:
Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:
1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented?
The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.
+1
I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:
# wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt # cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn
36 uk.ngs ... 10 ae.hax
Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.
HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-) https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html
NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.
221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!
Really, RIPE?
Cheers Markus
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That’s really bad. Would it be so complicated to ask for some information to new applicants (under NDA if necessary), like projected network map, purchase orders, business plan, (relevant) domain name registration, and so on ? And of course, to deny applicants with a generic gmail/yahoo/acme email address. That would make the LIR request process a little bit heavier but at the moment, the whole process is really fast, so I don’t think it would hurt much. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr <mailto:david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr <blocked::http://www.ipeva.fr/> - www.ipeva-studio.com <blocked::http://www.ipeva-studio.com/> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:27, Markus <universe@truemetal.org> a écrit :
Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:
1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented?
The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.
+1
I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:
# wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt # cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn
36 uk.ngs ... 10 ae.hax
Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.
HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-) https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html
NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.
221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!
Really, RIPE?
Cheers Markus
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Hi guys, I agree with Thomas here. Let's say these proposed changes went ahead meaning each entity could have only one LIR account each. There is nothing to stop such people from registering multiple trading entities and opening an LIR account under each trading entity. Here in the UK it costs just £13 to register a new limited company which could be used to independently open up a LIR account. Whichever way you look at it, we have a real world shortage of IPv4 and the system to control its assignment is broken. By the time we 'fix' the system it will already be too late? Kindest regards, -- Olorin Henderson, Operations Director, [Cloud Unboxed Limited] w: cloudunboxed.net [http://www.cloudunboxed.net/] | e: olorin.henderson@cloudunboxed.net [mailto:olorin.henderson@cloudunboxed.net] | t: +44 (0)33 0088 2444 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressed individual or entity only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then discard this e-mail. Unauthorized copying, sharing and distributing of this e-mail is prohibited. The content in this e-mail does not necessarily represent the views of the company. The addressee should check all attachments for malware; the company makes no representation as regards the absence of malware in attachments to this e-mail. On 17/02/2016 13:38:40, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote: That’s really bad. Would it be so complicated to ask for some information to new applicants (under NDA if necessary), like projected network map, purchase orders, business plan, (relevant) domain name registration, and so on ? And of course, to deny applicants with a generic gmail/yahoo/acme email address. That would make the LIR request process a little bit heavier but at the moment, the whole process is really fast, so I don’t think it would hurt much. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr [mailto:david.ponzone@ipeva.fr] tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr [blocked::http://www.ipeva.fr/] - www.ipeva-studio.com [blocked::http://www.ipeva-studio.com/] Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:27, Markus <universe@truemetal.org [mailto:universe@truemetal.org]> a écrit : Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor: 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented? The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented. +1 I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company: # wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt [http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt] # cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn 36 uk.ngs ... 10 ae.hax Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt [http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt] in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course. HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-) https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html [https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html] NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR. 221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad! Really, RIPE? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Why can’t we restrict the new LIR /22 allocation to one per single “legal” entity or someone who does not already have any IP space allocation from RIPE ? would this not make that problem go away for the most part? obviously people are going to always find a way around things like this but at least its a start Anthony Somerset, Technical Director, w: cloudunboxed.net <http://www.cloudunboxed.net/> | e: anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net <mailto:anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net> | t: +44 (0)33 0088 2444 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressed individual or entity only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then discard this e-mail. Unauthorized copying, sharing and distributing of this e-mail is prohibited. The content in this e-mail does not necessarily represent the views of the company. The addressee should check all attachments for malware; the company makes no representation as regards the absence of malware in attachments to this e-mail.
On 17 Feb,2016, at 15:38, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
That’s really bad.
Would it be so complicated to ask for some information to new applicants (under NDA if necessary), like projected network map, purchase orders, business plan, (relevant) domain name registration, and so on ? And of course, to deny applicants with a generic gmail/yahoo/acme email address. That would make the LIR request process a little bit heavier but at the moment, the whole process is really fast, so I don’t think it would hurt much.
David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr <mailto:david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34
Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr <blocked::http://www.ipeva.fr/> - www.ipeva-studio.com <blocked::http://www.ipeva-studio.com/>
Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:27, Markus <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org>> a écrit :
Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:
1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented?
The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.
+1
I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:
# wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt <http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt> # cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn
36 uk.ngs ... 10 ae.hax
Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt <http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt> in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.
HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-) https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html <https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html>
NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.
221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!
Really, RIPE?
Cheers Markus
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As already stated before, registering a company in the UK is 100$ and 15 minutes. How do you know someone is behind 10 different legal entities ? I don’t see another way than doing a quite thourough analysis of the request. Until now, the LIR process was: ask, pay, and you get the LIR and the /22 by default (how many applications were rejected in the last 3 years ?) Perhaps it should now be: denied by default, show us why you really need to be LIR and to get a /22 The RIPE team could probably already check the cases that were exposed earlier, to see if their different LIR requests were exactly the same or not. PS: I see there are some ticketing systems registered as members of the ML. I am receiving quite some garbage when I post and it seems some people are getting the mails although they are not even members of the ML. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr <mailto:david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr <blocked::http://www.ipeva.fr/> - www.ipeva-studio.com <blocked::http://www.ipeva-studio.com/> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:45, Anthony Somerset <anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net> a écrit :
Why can’t we restrict the new LIR /22 allocation to one per single “legal” entity or someone who does not already have any IP space allocation from RIPE ? would this not make that problem go away for the most part? obviously people are going to always find a way around things like this but at least its a start
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On 17 Feb,2016, at 15:38, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr <mailto:david.ponzone@ipeva.fr>> wrote:
That’s really bad.
Would it be so complicated to ask for some information to new applicants (under NDA if necessary), like projected network map, purchase orders, business plan, (relevant) domain name registration, and so on ? And of course, to deny applicants with a generic gmail/yahoo/acme email address. That would make the LIR request process a little bit heavier but at the moment, the whole process is really fast, so I don’t think it would hurt much.
David Ponzone Direction Technique email: david.ponzone@ipeva.fr <mailto:david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34
Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr <blocked::http://www.ipeva.fr/> - www.ipeva-studio.com <blocked::http://www.ipeva-studio.com/>
Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur.
Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:27, Markus <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org>> a écrit :
Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:
1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented?
The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.
+1
I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:
# wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt <http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt> # cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn
36 uk.ngs ... 10 ae.hax
Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt <http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt> in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.
HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-) https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html <https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html>
NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.
221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!
Really, RIPE?
Cheers Markus
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On 17.02.2016, at 14:55, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
..
PS: I see there are some ticketing systems registered as members of the ML. I am receiving quite some garbage when I post and it seems some people are getting the mails although they are not even members of the ML.
I guess RIPE contact leaving the company, and e-Mail address gets assigned to the support queue. And the helldesk has to close the tickets, does not have the authority / idea to unsubscribe. Matthias ps: If there are company mergers behind that, it isn’t so easy to find out which address needs unsubscribing, if it isn’t mentioned in the footer.
I think is more beter this market to be close no reason to sale ip space. !!! RIPE Must take back this free ip space and on standat procedure give space to LIR providers whit clear rule-s .... For exsample big providers have alot of ip space Class B networks and they rent and sell this ip space. This bring to them a big profit. If you are new LIR you have only one option take space from market. no any option to take makert in country where this LIR have custumers. We try to use ipv6 .... for exsample no skype no any web site-s in local peering only one option is NAT for ipv4 .... On 17-Feb-16 4:18 PM, Matthias Šubik wrote:
On 17.02.2016, at 14:55, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:
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PS: I see there are some ticketing systems registered as members of the ML. I am receiving quite some garbage when I post and it seems some people are getting the mails although they are not even members of the ML. I guess RIPE contact leaving the company, and e-Mail address gets assigned to the support queue. And the helldesk has to close the tickets, does not have the authority / idea to unsubscribe.
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Hello,
On 17.02.2016, at 14:38, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote: ... Would it be so complicated to ask for some information to new applicants (under NDA if necessary), like projected network map, purchase orders, business plan, (relevant) domain name registration, and so on ? And of course, to deny applicants with a generic gmail/yahoo/acme email address. That would make the LIR request process a little bit heavier but at the moment, the whole process is really fast, so I don’t think it would hurt much.
as stated earlier, it only makes it a little bit more expensive. As you can “rent” the addresses out, there isn’t so much of limit in this. I calculated earlier, even if not transferable, the cost of the new LIRs get paid by the actual user in the end. We need to ensure that not only the rich countries, clients, users get to have IPv4, as this would move the burden of changing devices, redoing old networks on the shoulders of the rest. As this obviously is not only a social issue, it would make IPv6 migration grind to a halt. I would suggest changing the RIPE fees back to be based on allocation size v4, and make the rise steep. This might have some impact on very old allocations, but these networks should feel the move to v6 as well. Matthias
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