As already stated before, registering a company in the UK is 100$ and 15 minutes.
How do you know someone is behind 10 different legal entities ?
I don’t see another way than doing a quite thourough analysis of the request.
Until now, the LIR process was: ask, pay, and you get the LIR and the /22 by default (how many applications were rejected in the last 3 years ?)
Perhaps it should now be: denied by default, show us why you really need to be LIR and to get a /22

The RIPE team could probably already check the cases that were exposed earlier, to see if their different LIR requests were exactly the same or not.

PS: I see there are some ticketing systems registered as members of the ML. I am receiving quite some garbage when I post and it seems some people are getting the mails although they are not even members of the ML.

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Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:45, Anthony Somerset <anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net> a écrit :

Why can’t we restrict the new LIR /22 allocation to one per single “legal” entity or someone who does not already have any IP space allocation from RIPE ? would this not make that problem go away for the most part? obviously people are going to always find a way around things like this but at least its a start

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On 17 Feb,2016, at 15:38, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@ipeva.fr> wrote:

That’s really bad.

Would it be so complicated to ask for some information to new applicants (under NDA if necessary), like projected network map, purchase orders, business plan, (relevant) domain name registration, and so on ?
And of course, to deny applicants with a generic gmail/yahoo/acme email address.
That would make the LIR request process a little bit heavier but at the moment, the whole process is really fast, so I don’t think it would hurt much.

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Le 17 févr. 2016 à 14:27, Markus <universe@truemetal.org> a écrit :

Am 16.02.2016 um 13:17 schrieb David Treanor:
    1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a
    problem
    that must be prevented?

The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented.

+1

I would like to bring to everyones attention that it's obviously already possible to create multiple LIRs under the same company:

# wget http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt
# cat alloclist.txt | grep ^[a-z][a-z]. | cut -b 1-6 | uniq -c | sort -rn

 36 uk.ngs
...
 10 ae.hax

Meaning: If you look at http://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/membership/alloclist.txt in your browser you'll find that "HAX CONSULTANCY DMCC" (HAX as in hack(s)...) has opened 10 LIRs, and "Next Global Services LP" has opened a whopping 36 LIRs. Each has a /22 of course.

HAX uses a gmail address as their LIR address. :-)
https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/ae.hax201.html

NGS is in control of 36.864 IPs. If they sell every IP at a bargain price of 6 EUR per IP they've earned 221.184 EUR. This guys costs were 72.000 EUR one-time (36 x 2.000 EUR setup fee) and 57.600 EUR for the first year (36 x 1.600 EUR) = 129.600 EUR.

221.184 EUR - 129.600 EUR = 91.584 EUR profit made out of thin air. Not bad!

Really, RIPE?

Cheers
Markus

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