Hi, As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF. For those who didn't attend the session, here are the slides: https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/107-RIPE-Presentation-Deck-for-Svcs-WG... And the video recording: https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives/video/179 Cheers, Sander
+1 On 5/25/16 5:31 PM, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hi,
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
For those who didn't attend the session, here are the slides: https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/107-RIPE-Presentation-Deck-for-Svcs-WG...
And the video recording: https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives/video/179
Cheers, Sander
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Hi,
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
To be clear, Nigel asked for the members to speak up to give the board guidance on this subject, he wasn't the one asking for the funding :) So members: please look at the slides and the video, and let the board know your thoughts on this! Cheers, Sander
On 05/25/2016 10:40 PM, Sander Steffann wrote:
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
To be clear, Nigel asked for the members to speak up to give the board guidance on this subject, he wasn't the one asking for the funding :)
Was wondering about that ... ;-)
So members: please look at the slides and the video, and let the board know your thoughts on this!
Here are my views on it: - RIPE is in a unique position due to its steadily growing member base and therefor member fees to support IETF together with ISOC - While RIPE members are mostly active in the in the Internets daily business, acting as ISPs and a community actively developing policies for this, I see ISOC (and also IETF meetings) in a more fundamental position. - Both positions combined will bring benefits to both communities - I would like to see (over the last years I've seen more involvement from people usually going to RIPE meetings, which is gret) more RIPE and IETF folks exchange knowledge and ideas - With this wish there's also an opportunity to attract a more diverse group, especially from keen but underrepresented humans - The RIPE and IETF communities have unique ways to meet up in person and stay in contact after these personal meetings, which is a very beneficial behaviour for everyone in those communities I think there's still a lot more to explore and to get people into those discussions. TL;DR I express my support for the RIPE NCCs participation in the long-term funding of the IETF -dominik -- rrbone UG (haftungsbeschraenkt) - Ruhrallee 9 - 44139 Dortmund HR B 23168 Amtsgericht Dortmund - Geschaeftsfuehrer: Dominik Bay
Sander Steffann wrote:
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
For those who didn't attend the session, here are the slides: https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/107-RIPE-Presentation-Deck-for-Svcs-WG...
And the video recording: https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives/video/179
I've read this, am familiar with the background and agree that it is appropriate for the RIPE NCC to support the IETF financially. Nick
I also agree. Kind Regards, Dominik uk.clouvider -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nick Hilliard Sent: 25 May 2016 20:05 To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] IETF funding Sander Steffann wrote:
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
For those who didn't attend the session, here are the slides: https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/107-RIPE-Presentation-Deck-for-S vcs-WG-May-2016.pdf
And the video recording: https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives/video/179
I've read this, am familiar with the background and agree that it is appropriate for the RIPE NCC to support the IETF financially. Nick ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hello, I agree with financial support of IETF. With regards, Daniel On 25.05.16 17:31, "members-discuss on behalf of Sander Steffann" <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
Hi,
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
For those who didn't attend the session, here are the slides: https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/107-RIPE-Presentation-Deck-for-Svcs-WG...
And the video recording: https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives/video/179
Cheers, Sander
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Hello, I agree with financial support of IETF. They are very important for internet. Best regards
I agree with this decision as well On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Leopoldo Maestro - Soltia Consulting SL < info@soltia.es> wrote:
Hello,
I agree with financial support of IETF. They are very important for internet.
Best regards
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On 26/05/2016 00:29, Daniel Suchy wrote: I too warmly support financial support to the IETF. Money well spent! -Hank
Hello, I agree with financial support of IETF.
With regards, Daniel
On 25.05.16 17:31, "members-discuss on behalf of Sander Steffann" <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
Hi,
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
For those who didn't attend the session, here are the slides: https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/107-RIPE-Presentation-Deck-for-Svcs-WG...
And the video recording: https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives/video/179
Cheers, Sander
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On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 05:31:41PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
I think it is easy to agree with the general principle, however I was not impressed by today's presentation because it did not provide relevant information in addition (nor in response) to the discussion at the previous GM. Back then the plan was to transfer a million (USD/EUR, whatever) out of the NCC's reserve into the IETF endowment fund. It was explained that this would irreversibly sacrifice the exceptionally tax privileged status of that reserve. The RIPE NCC is already an ISOC organisational member and thus contributing to ISOC's budget and, essentially to the IETF's funding. Today we heard a less specific, but slightly changed plan that would spread out the flow of money across 'a longer period', assuming a decade. Ignoring inflation, that would be 100k per annum. In both cases, the donation would be accumulated in the safe part of the fund with the interest available for IETF operational expenses. Let's assume a rather optimistic 5% that's 5k in the first and an additional 5k per subsequent year, adding up to 275k after 10 years. I'd appreciate if anybody could explain to me why this achievement (not to forget the million that has changed hands in a single or multiple tranches) would be more in the interest of both the IETF and the NCC and its membership than a commitment by the NCC to support the IETF work with any fixed amount between, say, 50k and 100k per annum, over 10 years, immediately dedicated to IETF operations expenses. An increased ISOC membership level would even come with at least some participation in the relevant governance structures (that is the OMAC == Org Member Advisory Council and the ability to participate in board elections). Thanks, Peter
Hi, On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:41:36AM +0200, Peter Koch wrote:
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 05:31:41PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
I think it is easy to agree with the general principle, however I was not impressed by today's presentation because it did not provide relevant information in addition (nor in response) to the discussion at the previous GM.
What Peter says. Supporting the IETF is good, with a yearly contribution to ISOC or IETF directly. Transferring our reserves to their reserves, I fail to see the compelling reason why this would be in our (RIPE) interest. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On 05/26/2016 10:24 AM, Gert Doering wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:41:36AM +0200, Peter Koch wrote:
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 05:31:41PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
I think it is easy to agree with the general principle, however I was not impressed by today's presentation because it did not provide relevant information in addition (nor in response) to the discussion at the previous GM.
What Peter says.
Supporting the IETF is good, with a yearly contribution to ISOC or IETF directly.
Transferring our reserves to their reserves, I fail to see the compelling reason why this would be in our (RIPE) interest.
I support long-term contribution to ISOC or IETF directly but on annual basis. Marian Marinov
Gert Doering -- NetMaster
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On Thu, May 26, 2016, at 09:24, Gert Doering wrote:
Supporting the IETF is good, with a yearly contribution to ISOC or IETF directly.
Transferring our reserves to their reserves, I fail to see the compelling reason why this would be in our (RIPE) interest.
Is this something that we (RIPE NCC membership) can decide on, or is it a decision more on IETF-side ? If it is up to us, I would go to "regular" contribution, leaving up to IETF to decide how to deal with it. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN fr.ccs
We pay the money so I suppose the ball is on our (membership) side. Kind Regards, Dom uk.clouvider -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Radu-Adrian Feurdean Sent: 27 May 2016 09:20 To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>; Peter Koch <koch@DENIC.DE> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] IETF funding On Thu, May 26, 2016, at 09:24, Gert Doering wrote:
Supporting the IETF is good, with a yearly contribution to ISOC or IETF directly.
Transferring our reserves to their reserves, I fail to see the compelling reason why this would be in our (RIPE) interest.
Is this something that we (RIPE NCC membership) can decide on, or is it a decision more on IETF-side ? If it is up to us, I would go to "regular" contribution, leaving up to IETF to decide how to deal with it. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN fr.ccs ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
Hi, On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 10:19:36AM +0200, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote:
Is this something that we (RIPE NCC membership) can decide on, or is it a decision more on IETF-side ? If it is up to us, I would go to "regular" contribution, leaving up to IETF to decide how to deal with it.
It's our money, so it's our decision. IETF just came asking. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
As Peter and Gert wrote: It seems unclear why We (ripe) should support ietf with a one shot payment. Anyway I also would like to understand why IETF (today a big stone) don't ask its members/vendors for support. I could agree to use RIPE founds to support any organization that could not be able to have enough founds for specific reasons, but honestly, even if I know the IETF importance, I don't see any actions it tkake or took to support us (lir and ripe). Use a so big admount of founds seems not clear. My opinion is to refuse the ietf request or to give a scheduled and well documented annual support to be used for specific activity in benefith for both. I appreciate any clarifications Sergio Ioppolo Il 26/Mag/2016 09:24, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net> ha scritto:
Hi,
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:41:36AM +0200, Peter Koch wrote:
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 05:31:41PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
I think it is easy to agree with the general principle, however I was not impressed by today's presentation because it did not provide relevant information in addition (nor in response) to the discussion at the previous GM.
What Peter says.
Supporting the IETF is good, with a yearly contribution to ISOC or IETF directly.
Transferring our reserves to their reserves, I fail to see the compelling reason why this would be in our (RIPE) interest.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
Hi,
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
For those who didn't attend the session, here are the slides: https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/107-RIPE-Presentation-Deck-for-Svcs-WG...
And the video recording: https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives/video/179
fully supported as long as we're talking about a regular long-term funding setup. Annual transfer for 5-10-15years. -- Roger Jorgensen | ROJO9-RIPE rogerj@gmail.com | - IPv6 is The Key! http://www.jorgensen.no | roger@jorgensen.no
On Thu, May 26, 2016, at 09:18, Roger Jørgensen wrote:
fully supported as long as we're talking about a regular long-term funding setup. Annual transfer for 5-10-15years.
+1, for this scheme in particular (regular transfers on the longer term). ... more mixed feelings for a big one-shot transfer. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN fr.ccs
I support RIPE providing long term financial support for the IETF but would like to see exploration on the best options in how to provide this support. Thank you On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
Hi,
As requested by Nigel Titley at the NCC Services working group session, I would like to express my support for the RIPE NCC to participate in the long-term funding to the IETF.
For those who didn't attend the session, here are the slides:
https://ripe72.ripe.net/presentations/107-RIPE-Presentation-Deck-for-Svcs-WG...
And the video recording: https://ripe72.ripe.net/archives/video/179
Cheers, Sander
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Christopher Demicoli -
Daniel Suchy -
Dominik Bay -
Dominik Nowacki -
Elvis Daniel Velea -
Gert Doering -
Hank Nussbacher -
Leopoldo Maestro - Soltia Consulting SL -
Liam Hynes -
Marian Marinov -
Marketing KTECHNOLOGY -
Nick Hilliard -
Peter Koch -
Radu-Adrian Feurdean -
Roger Jørgensen -
Sander Steffann