As far as those not contributing in the list "not care" or "agreed with everything" it is unwise to predict "what the membership as a whole wants". All the more nobody can act as God to be able to say: "I know what everybody thinks and what everybody wants". I appreciate the answers of RIPE NCC, but "I am happy to monitor", "Rest assured", "the board is very well paying attention" are not answers the members of the list are waiting for and doesn't bring any clear vision on the process of determination of what changes we should welcomed at GM. The questions at the RIPE meeting will be late and not productive at all. Looking at the expenses in the proposed budget I can see the increase in all parts. I do not agree with the situation. Some time ago in 1998 I was in London attending the RIPE courses. It was 5* hotel and one of the natives said with some sadness, "We all do not live like that!" Maybe we'll look into decreasing the pomp for all our rather technical meetings/courses/hotels...? I'll look also into decreasing the stuff: as soon as it's said they are the best in the industry they can do more than average middle-salaried worker. Regards, Vladislav Potapov Ru.iiat
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Christian Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:54 AM To: Nigel Titley Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
...as Nigel and Fahad said, the board is very well paying attention to the list and what the members want. And for the ones who don't want to send an email to the list, feel free to send a direct email to us or even better feel free to talk to us in person at the next RIPE meeting.:-)
Best regards,
ck
On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Nigel Titley wrote:
On 10/10/2011 22:50, Fahad AlShirawi wrote:
And on my side I am happy to monitor the members' discussion and see what it is the members want and then to bring it up internally. Rest assured Hank that we will consider all concerns where applicable and as much as possible within the constraints we have. Yes, thanks for making this clear, Fahad.
As far as I am aware, all members of the board read this list and take notice of what the members want. Our sometimes difficult job is to try and sort out what the membership as a whole wants, rather than just the dozen or so active contributors to the list.
Always feel free to send any of us a direct personal question or comment, especially if there is a period of quiet. As I've mentioned before, we all have day jobs which sometimes intrude on our board work.
Nigel
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+1 Wouldn't want to be one of the unheard that ripe claim to represent. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Oct 2011, at 10:35, "poty@iiat.ru" <poty@iiat.ru> wrote:
As far as those not contributing in the list "not care" or "agreed with everything" it is unwise to predict "what the membership as a whole wants". All the more nobody can act as God to be able to say: "I know what everybody thinks and what everybody wants". I appreciate the answers of RIPE NCC, but "I am happy to monitor", "Rest assured", "the board is very well paying attention" are not answers the members of the list are waiting for and doesn't bring any clear vision on the process of determination of what changes we should welcomed at GM. The questions at the RIPE meeting will be late and not productive at all. Looking at the expenses in the proposed budget I can see the increase in all parts. I do not agree with the situation. Some time ago in 1998 I was in London attending the RIPE courses. It was 5* hotel and one of the natives said with some sadness, "We all do not live like that!" Maybe we'll look into decreasing the pomp for all our rather technical meetings/courses/hotels...? I'll look also into decreasing the stuff: as soon as it's said they are the best in the industry they can do more than average middle-salaried worker.
Regards, Vladislav Potapov Ru.iiat
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Christian Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:54 AM To: Nigel Titley Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
...as Nigel and Fahad said, the board is very well paying attention to the list and what the members want. And for the ones who don't want to send an email to the list, feel free to send a direct email to us or even better feel free to talk to us in person at the next RIPE meeting.:-)
Best regards,
ck
On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Nigel Titley wrote:
On 10/10/2011 22:50, Fahad AlShirawi wrote:
And on my side I am happy to monitor the members' discussion and see what it is the members want and then to bring it up internally. Rest assured Hank that we will consider all concerns where applicable and as much as possible within the constraints we have. Yes, thanks for making this clear, Fahad.
As far as I am aware, all members of the board read this list and take notice of what the members want. Our sometimes difficult job is to try and sort out what the membership as a whole wants, rather than just the dozen or so active contributors to the list.
Always feel free to send any of us a direct personal question or comment, especially if there is a period of quiet. As I've mentioned before, we all have day jobs which sometimes intrude on our board work.
Nigel
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Dear RIPE Board and Members, In line with recent events and out of respect for the members I strongly advise you to postpone the discussion about the amending of the membership fees and focus on the budgeting first. I strongly agree with the motions raised about maintaining a responsible budget; and perhaps in light of recent developments, we should take a moment and evaluate some of the projects the RIPE NCC has taken on itself. Additionally, and without any disrespect, if any of the Board Members feel they do not have adequate time to fulfill their duties; they might wish to vacate their seat in favor of somebody who does. Met Vriendelijke Groeten - Cordialement - Best Regards Geert Hauwaerts. From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Hattersley Sent: dinsdag 11 oktober 2011 10:39 Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012 +1 Wouldn't want to be one of the unheard that ripe claim to represent. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Oct 2011, at 10:35, "poty@iiat.ru<mailto:poty@iiat.ru>" <poty@iiat.ru<mailto:poty@iiat.ru>> wrote:
As far as those not contributing in the list "not care" or "agreed with everything" it is unwise to predict "what the membership as a whole wants". All the more nobody can act as God to be able to say: "I know what everybody thinks and what everybody wants". I appreciate the answers of RIPE NCC, but "I am happy to monitor", "Rest assured", "the board is very well paying attention" are not answers the members of the list are waiting for and doesn't bring any clear vision on the process of determination of what changes we should welcomed at GM. The questions at the RIPE meeting will be late and not productive at all. Looking at the expenses in the proposed budget I can see the increase in all parts. I do not agree with the situation. Some time ago in 1998 I was in London attending the RIPE courses. It was 5* hotel and one of the natives said with some sadness, "We all do not live like that!" Maybe we'll look into decreasing the pomp for all our rather technical meetings/courses/hotels...? I'll look also into decreasing the stuff: as soon as it's said they are the best in the industry they can do more than average middle-salaried worker.
Regards, Vladislav Potapov Ru.iiat
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net<mailto:bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Christian Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:54 AM To: Nigel Titley Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
...as Nigel and Fahad said, the board is very well paying attention to the list and what the members want. And for the ones who don't want to send an email to the list, feel free to send a direct email to us or even better feel free to talk to us in person at the next RIPE meeting.:-)
Best regards,
ck
On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Nigel Titley wrote:
On 10/10/2011 22:50, Fahad AlShirawi wrote:
And on my side I am happy to monitor the members' discussion and see what it is the members want and then to bring it up internally. Rest assured Hank that we will consider all concerns where applicable and as much as possible within the constraints we have. Yes, thanks for making this clear, Fahad.
As far as I am aware, all members of the board read this list and take notice of what the members want. Our sometimes difficult job is to try and sort out what the membership as a whole wants, rather than just the dozen or so active contributors to the list.
Always feel free to send any of us a direct personal question or comment, especially if there is a period of quiet. As I've mentioned before, we all have day jobs which sometimes intrude on our board work.
Nigel
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On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:18:13 AM Geert Hauwaerts wrote:
Dear RIPE Board and Members,
In line with recent events and out of respect for the members I strongly advise you to postpone the discussion about the amending of the membership fees and focus on the budgeting first.
I strongly agree with the motions raised about maintaining a responsible budget; and perhaps in light of recent developments, we should take a moment and evaluate some of the projects the RIPE NCC has taken on itself.
Additionally, and without any disrespect, if any of the Board Members feel they do not have adequate time to fulfill their duties; they might wish to vacate their seat in favor of somebody who does.
it's great to see people caring about issues at RIPE. IMHO it's not so great that some seem to derail the discussion on the membership fees. RIPE is growing and therefore they need more money. do the math - and listen to what other people on this list say: while the budget is increasing the individual membership fee is not (as much), since there're many more members to shoulder the burden. also the increased budget is necessary to fund the actions decided upon by the community. How many of those objecting the current budget have been involved in shaping these actions? Given that the only suggestions seem to be cutting meetings and trainings i get at strong impression that there has not been any involvement at all... run-out-fairly requires extra work - but its most definitively the small LIRs that profit from it and that is a good thing. the increased service level with the much improved database tools etc. are much welcome investments well worth their money. and no - this is no blank check for RIPE either. i still felt well represented as "the quiet majority" by the RIPE EB. thanks kind regards Thilo
Met Vriendelijke Groeten - Cordialement - Best Regards Geert Hauwaerts.
From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Hattersley Sent: dinsdag 11 oktober 2011 10:39 Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
+1
Wouldn't want to be one of the unheard that ripe claim to represent.
Sent from my iPhone
On 11 Oct 2011, at 10:35, "poty@iiat.ru<mailto:poty@iiat.ru>" <poty@iiat.ru<mailto:poty@iiat.ru>> wrote:
As far as those not contributing in the list "not care" or "agreed with everything" it is unwise to predict "what the membership as a whole wants". All the more nobody can act as God to be able to say: "I know what everybody thinks and what everybody wants". I appreciate the answers of RIPE NCC, but "I am happy to monitor", "Rest assured", "the board is very well paying attention" are not answers the members of the list are waiting for and doesn't bring any clear vision on the process of determination of what changes we should welcomed at GM. The questions at the RIPE meeting will be late and not productive at all. Looking at the expenses in the proposed budget I can see the increase in all parts. I do not agree with the situation. Some time ago in 1998 I was in London attending the RIPE courses. It was 5* hotel and one of the natives said with some sadness, "We all do not live like that!" Maybe we'll look into decreasing the pomp for all our rather technical meetings/courses/hotels...? I'll look also into decreasing the stuff: as soon as it's said they are the best in the industry they can do more than average middle-salaried worker.
Regards, Vladislav Potapov Ru.iiat
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.ne t> [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net<mailto:bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Christian Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:54 AM To: Nigel Titley Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
...as Nigel and Fahad said, the board is very well paying attention to the list and what the members want. And for the ones who don't want to send an email to the list, feel
free
to send a direct email to us or even better feel free to talk to us in person at the next RIPE meeting.:-)
Best regards,
ck
On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Nigel Titley wrote:
On 10/10/2011 22:50, Fahad AlShirawi wrote:
And on my side I am happy to monitor the members' discussion and
see
what it is the members want and then to bring it up internally. Rest assured Hank that we will consider all concerns where applicable and
as
much as possible within the constraints we have.
Yes, thanks for making this clear, Fahad.
As far as I am aware, all members of the board read this list and
take
notice of what the members want. Our sometimes difficult job is to
try
and sort out what the membership as a whole wants, rather than just
the
dozen or so active contributors to the list.
Always feel free to send any of us a direct personal question or comment, especially if there is a period of quiet. As I've mentioned before, we all have day jobs which sometimes intrude on our board
work.
Nigel
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Hi, On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:23:10PM +0200, Thilo Bangert wrote:
RIPE is growing and therefore they need more money. do the math
That is some strange math. I would expect economies-of-scale for a growing membership. If more members mean rising costs per-member, when every resource user is a RIPE member -which I think would be a good thing- then nobody can afford membership anymore? rgds, Sascha Luck ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:43:49 PM you wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:23:10PM +0200, Thilo Bangert wrote:
RIPE is growing and therefore they need more money. do the math
That is some strange math. I would expect economies-of-scale for a growing membership.
you are right - thats why i also pointed out other reasons for the increase, which you choose to omit in your quote.
If more members mean rising costs per-member, when every resource user is a RIPE member -which I think would be a good thing- then nobody can afford membership anymore?
that would indeed be weird, wouldn't it? ;-)
rgds, Sascha Luck
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Dear mailing list, Thilo, *THUMBS-UP* from fellow lurking members! :) Going back to complaints on training activities and it's budget: I personally have an opinion that that sort of service is not actually delivered well enough in some areas of the RIPE service region - for instance, I haven't had a chance to catch routing registry training in Russia for last 3 years (on my memory neither Moscow nor St.Petersburg hosted those courses since 2008), not to mention how difficult it may be to attend any training courses for LIRs in far eastern parts of Russia. Understanding how overall Internet routing quality benefits from widely available trainings on the matter, I don't see it reasonable to discard that service just to slightly cut membership fees - I'd even welcome slight increase if the knowledge sharing services would get enhanced! 11.10.2011 14:23 пользователь "Thilo Bangert" <bangert@parknet.dk> написал:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:18:13 AM Geert Hauwaerts wrote:
Dear RIPE Board and Members,
In line with recent events and out of respect for the members I strongly advise you to postpone the discussion about the amending of the
fees and focus on the budgeting first.
I strongly agree with the motions raised about maintaining a responsible budget; and perhaps in light of recent developments, we should take a moment and evaluate some of the projects the RIPE NCC has taken on itself.
Additionally, and without any disrespect, if any of the Board Members feel they do not have adequate time to fulfill their duties; they might wish to vacate their seat in favor of somebody who does.
it's great to see people caring about issues at RIPE. IMHO it's not so great that some seem to derail the discussion on the membership fees.
RIPE is growing and therefore they need more money. do the math - and
to what other people on this list say: while the budget is increasing the individual membership fee is not (as much), since there're many more members to shoulder the burden. also the increased budget is necessary to fund the actions decided upon by the community.
How many of those objecting the current budget have been involved in shaping these actions? Given that the only suggestions seem to be cutting meetings and trainings i get at strong impression that there has not been any involvement at all...
run-out-fairly requires extra work - but its most definitively the small LIRs that profit from it and that is a good thing.
the increased service level with the much improved database tools etc. are much welcome investments well worth their money.
and no - this is no blank check for RIPE either. i still felt well represented as "the quiet majority" by the RIPE EB. thanks
kind regards Thilo
Met Vriendelijke Groeten - Cordialement - Best Regards Geert Hauwaerts.
From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Hattersley Sent: dinsdag 11 oktober 2011 10:39 Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
+1
Wouldn't want to be one of the unheard that ripe claim to represent.
Sent from my iPhone
On 11 Oct 2011, at 10:35, "poty@iiat.ru<mailto:poty@iiat.ru>" <poty@iiat.ru<mailto:poty@iiat.ru>> wrote:
As far as those not contributing in the list "not care" or "agreed with everything" it is unwise to predict "what the membership as a whole wants". All the more nobody can act as God to be able to say: "I know what everybody thinks and what everybody wants". I appreciate the answers of RIPE NCC, but "I am happy to monitor", "Rest assured", "the board is very well paying attention" are not answers
members of the list are waiting for and doesn't bring any clear vision on the process of determination of what changes we should welcomed at GM. The questions at the RIPE meeting will be late and not productive at all. Looking at the expenses in the proposed budget I can see the increase in all parts. I do not agree with the situation. Some time ago in 1998 I was in London attending the RIPE courses. It was 5* hotel and one of
membership listen the the
natives said with some sadness, "We all do not live like that!" Maybe we'll look into decreasing the pomp for all our rather technical meetings/courses/hotels...? I'll look also into decreasing the stuff: as soon as it's said they are the best in the industry they can do more than average middle-salaried worker.
Regards, Vladislav Potapov Ru.iiat
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.ne t> [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net<mailto:bounces@ripe.net ] On Behalf Of Christian Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:54 AM To: Nigel Titley Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
...as Nigel and Fahad said, the board is very well paying attention to the list and what the members want. And for the ones who don't want to send an email to the list, feel
free
to send a direct email to us or even better feel free to talk to us in person at the next RIPE meeting.:-)
Best regards,
ck
On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Nigel Titley wrote:
On 10/10/2011 22:50, Fahad AlShirawi wrote:
And on my side I am happy to monitor the members' discussion and
see
what it is the members want and then to bring it up internally. Rest assured Hank that we will consider all concerns where applicable and
as
much as possible within the constraints we have.
Yes, thanks for making this clear, Fahad.
As far as I am aware, all members of the board read this list and
take
notice of what the members want. Our sometimes difficult job is to
try
and sort out what the membership as a whole wants, rather than just
the
dozen or so active contributors to the list.
Always feel free to send any of us a direct personal question or comment, especially if there is a period of quiet. As I've mentioned before, we all have day jobs which sometimes intrude on our board
work.
Nigel
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On 11/10/2011 13:51, Artem Buglak wrote:
I haven't had a chance to catch routing registry training in Russia for last 3 years (on my memory neither Moscow nor St.Petersburg hosted those courses since 2008), not to mention how difficult it may be to attend any training courses for LIRs in far eastern parts of Russia.
Good thing there is one later this year then... https://lirportal.ripe.net/training/courses J -- James Blessing +44 7989 039 476 Strategic Relations Manager, EMEA Limelight Networks ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
On 11 okt 2011, at 12:23, Thilo Bangert wrote:
RIPE is growing and therefore they need more money. do the math - and listen to what other people on this list say: while the budget is increasing the individual membership fee is not (as much), since there're many more members to shoulder the burden. also the increased budget is necessary to fund the actions decided upon by the community.
While I personally have some sympathy for the increase in RIPE NCC budget over the years, I think your last sentence is somewhat problematic. I would be much more at ease with the NCC budget it the last was true. It's true in the sense that we as members approve the activity plan, it's less true in the sense that the activity plan is not broken down in a way that would make costs transparent. This said, the NCC has become a lot more transparent in recent years, but they could still do better. What I would like to ask from the RIPE NCC (or ask the board to ask the NCC to produce) for the next AGM is a P&L statement corresponding to the activity plan. I don't think we need this every year but as part of long term forecasting, especially in uncertain time like now that would be great to have. That would also make it a lot easier (and transparent) to account for what you say. That as we are more members and the run out fair policy that is where we are spending more money. Right now that is not easy to see.... Best regards, - kurtis - --- Kurt Erik Lindqvist, CEO kurtis@netnod.se, Direct: +46-8-562 860 11, Switch: +46-8-562 860 00 Franzéngatan 5 | SE-112 51 Stockholm | Sweden ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
On 11/10/2011 10:18, Geert Hauwaerts wrote:
I strongly agree with the motions raised about maintaining a responsible budget; and perhaps in light of recent developments, we should take a moment and evaluate some of the projects the RIPE NCC has taken on itself.
This is why we circulate the activity plan well in advance of setting the budget and the charging scheme. We typically get no response to the activity plan at all. I do take on board Kurtis' comments about making the activity plan more transparent with regards to costs of individual activities and we will ask the RIPE NCC to make this clearer.
Additionally, and without any disrespect, if any of the Board Members feel they do not have adequate time to fulfill their duties; they might wish to vacate their seat in favor of somebody who does.
RIPE NCC board/RIPE WG activities take up roughly 2 days per *week* of my time. I'm lucky to have an employer that is happy with this. However, as I made clear, this discussion blew up at the time of the month when I happen to have to spend a couple of days full time on the day job. Apologies for this. Nigel ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
I am part of the silent listeners, but at your request I will express my opinion: - I have used the RIPE training courses three times in Spain and probably if I had to move to Amsterdam or pay for them I would not have been able to attend them (at least not the three of them). - I have attended many RIPE meetings (in person and also remotely when I can't go). I don't go to a 5 star hotel, my budget is limited so I usualy go to a nearby hotel, but I appreciate that the RIPE meetings have very good facilities, between the hotel and the equipment provided by RIPE. Regarding the meetings themselves, they've been very interesting for me. Not only for what I learn and whay I've participated -believe it or not a lot of policies ares discused in the RIPE meetings, policies that affect all of us- but also for all the people that I have known. I have established some technical relations that probably couldn't been made by mail, so It's a well paid money for me. So I agree with the expenditures in trainings and meetings, but this is not a blank check to the RIPE NCC not to the board. As any other company we're on a strict budget and though RIPE NCC invoices are not our main expense (if RIPE NCC invoices have a great impact in your business, you should review your business plan) we must try to reduce everything and I think that in a 2/3 year timeframe, the RIPE NCC work as an addressing registry will be reduced (no or residual IPv4 addresing assignement, IPv6 assigned in /32 so fewer petitions asked) and a lowering of the budget should be observed, but me must wait and see. Regards, Fernando El 11/10/2011, a las 10:34, <poty@iiat.ru> escribió:
As far as those not contributing in the list "not care" or "agreed with everything" it is unwise to predict "what the membership as a whole wants". All the more nobody can act as God to be able to say: "I know what everybody thinks and what everybody wants". I appreciate the answers of RIPE NCC, but "I am happy to monitor", "Rest assured", "the board is very well paying attention" are not answers the members of the list are waiting for and doesn't bring any clear vision on the process of determination of what changes we should welcomed at GM. The questions at the RIPE meeting will be late and not productive at all. Looking at the expenses in the proposed budget I can see the increase in all parts. I do not agree with the situation. Some time ago in 1998 I was in London attending the RIPE courses. It was 5* hotel and one of the natives said with some sadness, "We all do not live like that!" Maybe we'll look into decreasing the pomp for all our rather technical meetings/courses/hotels...? I'll look also into decreasing the stuff: as soon as it's said they are the best in the industry they can do more than average middle-salaried worker.
Regards, Vladislav Potapov Ru.iiat
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Christian Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:54 AM To: Nigel Titley Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
...as Nigel and Fahad said, the board is very well paying attention to the list and what the members want. And for the ones who don't want to send an email to the list, feel free to send a direct email to us or even better feel free to talk to us in person at the next RIPE meeting.:-)
Best regards,
ck
On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Nigel Titley wrote:
On 10/10/2011 22:50, Fahad AlShirawi wrote:
And on my side I am happy to monitor the members' discussion and see what it is the members want and then to bring it up internally. Rest assured Hank that we will consider all concerns where applicable and as much as possible within the constraints we have. Yes, thanks for making this clear, Fahad.
As far as I am aware, all members of the board read this list and take notice of what the members want. Our sometimes difficult job is to try and sort out what the membership as a whole wants, rather than just the dozen or so active contributors to the list.
Always feel free to send any of us a direct personal question or comment, especially if there is a period of quiet. As I've mentioned before, we all have day jobs which sometimes intrude on our board work.
Nigel
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participants (10)
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Artem Buglak -
García Fernández, Fernando -
Geert Hauwaerts -
James Blessing -
Kurt Erik Lindqvist -
Matthew Hattersley -
Nigel Titley -
poty＠iiat.ru -
Sascha Luck -
Thilo Bangert