Andrei, I received 15% of the total votes, which are reflecting 15% of the total members in the RIPE community, approximately 4000 members. The total number of my initial votes was more than the total number of votes of the elected #3 which was elected only because he received the support of the elected #1 in the way that the current voting system works. You are trying to censor, you are using very nice words but at the end you are only trying to censor and to force your opinions on 4000 members of the RIPE community and not to have diversity of other views in the RIPE Executive Board. ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Andrei Banu <andrei.banu@redhost.ro> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:45 PM Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net>; exec-board@ripe.net <exec-board@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation Indeed the list moderation is by far NOT the correct solution and it is indeed a capitulation in front of a single source of useless noise! But the useless noise brought to the list by only one culprit is not the only problem here and it's the smallest problem. The bigger problem is that the culprit was admitted into the Election Task Force, a Task Force created specifically because of the unfit (put very nicely and extremely mildly) candidacy of the same culprit during the latest elections. I am still baffled since yesterday and I can't fathom what process allowed the culprit to be admitted into a Task Force designed specifically to avoid the very same type of behavior exhibited by the culprit numerous times. This is truly ironic and I fear that it might compromise all the efforts of the rest of the Task Force (or possibly, it's credibility). And this bigger problem will NOT get solved by ignoring the troll on the list (which most of us are obviously already doing). On 21.07.2020 12:54, Misak Khachatryan wrote: -1 Why you just not ignore him? Why you all feeding the troll? He just replies to any email, just don't reply. Moderation is just a capitulation and sign of community weakness. Best regards, Misak Khachatryan, On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:48 PM Hamed Shafaghi <hamed@mihantelecom.com<mailto:hamed@mihantelecom.com>> wrote: +1 | Hamed Shafaghi | On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:22 PM Erik Bais <ebais@a2b-internet.com<mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com>> wrote: Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hamed%40mihantelecom.... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/andrei.banu%40redhost...

Daniel, You are the one spreading lies, I received more than 300 votes from approximately 2800 total voters, not all the RIPE community voted. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Daniel Pearson <daniel@privatesystems.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:55 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation Elad, You really need help in a lot of areas, math is one of them. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/voting-report You received a total of 305 votes based on the election rounds, so you got approx 1.205% of the members to support you based on the current total number of LIRs of 25,302 https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs Please, stop lying and spreading mis-information about yourself, and libel of others. If I were the RIPE NCC I would be very concerned about your actions and them continuing to provide you a platform to disparage the individual members here with no proof and wild accusations. You've well crossed over into libelous territory more than a few times here in this list and it would be a shame if your nonsense actually caused financial harm to the individuals you target. Daniel~ On 7/21/20 5:54 AM, Elad Cohen wrote: Andrei, I received 15% of the total votes, which are reflecting 15% of the total members in the RIPE community, approximately 4000 members. The total number of my initial votes was more than the total number of votes of the elected #3 which was elected only because he received the support of the elected #1 in the way that the current voting system works. You are trying to censor, you are using very nice words but at the end you are only trying to censor and to force your opinions on 4000 members of the RIPE community and not to have diversity of other views in the RIPE Executive Board. ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net><mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Andrei Banu <andrei.banu@redhost.ro><mailto:andrei.banu@redhost.ro> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:45 PM Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss@ripe.net><mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; exec-board@ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net> <exec-board@ripe.net><mailto:exec-board@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation Indeed the list moderation is by far NOT the correct solution and it is indeed a capitulation in front of a single source of useless noise! But the useless noise brought to the list by only one culprit is not the only problem here and it's the smallest problem. The bigger problem is that the culprit was admitted into the Election Task Force, a Task Force created specifically because of the unfit (put very nicely and extremely mildly) candidacy of the same culprit during the latest elections. I am still baffled since yesterday and I can't fathom what process allowed the culprit to be admitted into a Task Force designed specifically to avoid the very same type of behavior exhibited by the culprit numerous times. This is truly ironic and I fear that it might compromise all the efforts of the rest of the Task Force (or possibly, it's credibility). And this bigger problem will NOT get solved by ignoring the troll on the list (which most of us are obviously already doing). On 21.07.2020 12:54, Misak Khachatryan wrote: -1 Why you just not ignore him? Why you all feeding the troll? He just replies to any email, just don't reply. Moderation is just a capitulation and sign of community weakness. Best regards, Misak Khachatryan, On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:48 PM Hamed Shafaghi <hamed@mihantelecom.com<mailto:hamed@mihantelecom.com>> wrote: +1 | Hamed Shafaghi | On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:22 PM Erik Bais <ebais@a2b-internet.com<mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com>> wrote: Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hamed%40mihantelecom.... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/andrei.banu%40redhost...

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:54:46AM +0000, Elad Cohen wrote:

The total number of my initial votes was more than the total number of votes of the elected #3 which was elected only because he received the support of the elected #1 in the way that the current voting system works.

You seem to misinterpret how the voting system works. The #3 was not elected because he received the support from the elected #1, he was elected because voters who vote for #1 or #2 at the first position also voted for #3 at non-first positions. He also received plenty of votes at non-first positons from other candidates eliminated in the third round. -- Ondrej 'Santiago' Zajicek (email: santiago@crfreenet.org)

I'm very confident that the people working at this Task Force will take appropriate measures if the way people are taking part is not productive in any way. Still believing in general human intelligence and solutions to solve issues and disputes. ________________________________ Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> im Auftrag von Andrei Banu <andrei.banu@redhost.ro> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Juli 2020 12:45 Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net; exec-board@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation Indeed the list moderation is by far NOT the correct solution and it is indeed a capitulation in front of a single source of useless noise! But the useless noise brought to the list by only one culprit is not the only problem here and it's the smallest problem. The bigger problem is that the culprit was admitted into the Election Task Force, a Task Force created specifically because of the unfit (put very nicely and extremely mildly) candidacy of the same culprit during the latest elections. I am still baffled since yesterday and I can't fathom what process allowed the culprit to be admitted into a Task Force designed specifically to avoid the very same type of behavior exhibited by the culprit numerous times. This is truly ironic and I fear that it might compromise all the efforts of the rest of the Task Force (or possibly, it's credibility). And this bigger problem will NOT get solved by ignoring the troll on the list (which most of us are obviously already doing). On 21.07.2020 12:54, Misak Khachatryan wrote: -1 Why you just not ignore him? Why you all feeding the troll? He just replies to any email, just don't reply. Moderation is just a capitulation and sign of community weakness. Best regards, Misak Khachatryan, On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:48 PM Hamed Shafaghi <hamed@mihantelecom.com<mailto:hamed@mihantelecom.com>> wrote: +1 | Hamed Shafaghi | On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:22 PM Erik Bais <ebais@a2b-internet.com<mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com>> wrote: Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hamed%40mihantelecom.... _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/andrei.banu%40redhost...

I will ask for a Code of Conduct to be implemented in the TF. ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Viethen, Christoph <viethen@itc.rwth-aachen.de> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:03 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Cc: exec-board@ripe.net <exec-board@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation Hello Andrei, I think the point you are making is a valid one and I think others may have similar thoughts. This certainly includes myself. Still, I think that, with regard to the Task Force, we should wait and see. For the moment, I'm convinced that we will hear a report from them (or from their chair) sooner or later, letting us know how productive (or not) their work is and how/if it is progressing. Let's give them a little bit of time – they're still pretty new in their roles and I think we should maintain a little bit of positivity about things. If I were in their position, I would certainly establish a Task Force Code of Conduct which requires their members to publicly talk about Task Force matters only in specific ways. For example, they might decide to publish opinions every now and then, and in this context publish an "agreed-upon opinion" plus additional diverging opinions, nicely summarized in a report which we members get. Apart from these reports, such a Code of Conduct should require their members to remain silent and not talk publicly about Task Force matters, or else be sanctioned (as in: excluded from the Task Force). I think this way, professional behaviour can be maintained. Could the Exec Board (or whoever may be in charge of this) please comment on this matter? That is: do you feel a Task Force Code of Conduct should be implemented? That could be interesting for members. Thanks & best regards Christoph _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io

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