„The M&A procedure is the long and difficult process” No, you are wrong. It is simple, fast and cheap procedure, especially in the EU. It costs about 500 EUR at all. Why are you guys always want to hack the transfer policy? If you want more IPV4 resources, buy it on the market, so you do not have to trick and boring everyone with your useless email storm! Regards: László Angeli From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of IPLab Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 4:09 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] M&A procedure Hi all! On the 29th of October we received the next email: ---------------------------------------------- Dear RIPE NCC members, We would like to inform you of changes relating to transfers due to a change in business structure (e.g., mergers and acquisitions) as specified in the new section 3.6 of ripe-709, "Transfer of Internet Number Resources and Change of a Member’s Official Legal Name”. Following a resolution at the Executive Board meeting on 7 September, when an member transfers IPv4 or 16-bit ASNs that are subject to the transfer restriction due to a change in business structure, the transferring LIR account needs to remain open until the new 24-month restriction on transfer of scarce resources has passed. If the receiving party already holds an LIR account, the LIR account of the transferring party will become an additional LIR account of the receiving party. In effect, consolidation of LIR accounts belonging to the same member is not possible until the 24-month restriction has passed. However, new 24-month restrictions will not be applied to these resources if they are further transferred between LIR accounts held by the same member after the initial restrictions have expired. This applies to all resources transferred between LIR accounts of the same member in all situations. This change is effective from 7 September 2018. The section on transfers between LIR accounts belonging to the same member is available at: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer35 The section relating to transfers due to a change in business structure is available at: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer36 The minutes of the 118th Executive Board meeting are available at: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2018/draft-minutes-118.... ---------------------------------------------- It means that the M&A (change in business structure) procedure cannot be complete, if the offering party (closed company) received the resources less than 24 months before. But I don't really understand what for this document was implemented. The M&A procedure is the long and difficult process. More over it doesn't help to circumvent the transfer restriction policies to sell received resources. If you go to this link https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tran... you can see that there are 309 transfers of /22 because of MERGER_OR_ACQUISITION and 3289 /22 transfers because of POLICY. (you can input merger /22 in the SEARCH field and see it by yourself). It is less than 10% from the overall transfer of /22 blocks If you look at 185./22 transfers, you can see that the number of transfers because of MERGER_OR_ACQUISITION is 270. The total transfers of 185./22 because of POLICY is 1640. It is 14% transfers from the whole volume of transfers of 185./22. To make my research more visual, I show the 2 tables: Total Transfers of /22 M&A transfers Policy transfers % of M&A transfers 309 3289 8.6% Transfers of 185./22 M&A transfers Policy transfers % of M&A transfers 262 1,638 14.1% Total Transfers M&A transfers Policy transfers % of M&A transfers 945 8,833 9.7% So, as you can see the % of M&A transfers is a little, but the ripe-709 brings many new problems and additional payments to the NCC. Summarizing I would like to know the members opinion regarding this question. My opinion is that the NCC should refuse ripe-709, especially paragraph 3.6.
László, I do not follow much this list here. But at the moment I am going as well thru the hassle. We bought a hosting division from a company which will still exist. How do you transfer the IPV4 resources in this case? It is not that easy as you describe. All the best, Freddy
Am 18.12.2018 um 19:52 schrieb Angeli László <langeli@matracomp.hu>:
„The M&A procedure is the long and difficult process”
No, you are wrong. It is simple, fast and cheap procedure, especially in the EU. It costs about 500 EUR at all.
Why are you guys always want to hack the transfer policy? If you want more IPV4 resources, buy it on the market, so you do not have to trick and boring everyone with your useless email storm!
Regards:
László Angeli
From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of IPLab Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 4:09 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] M&A procedure
Hi all!
On the 29th of October we received the next email:
---------------------------------------------- Dear RIPE NCC members,
We would like to inform you of changes relating to transfers due to a change in business structure (e.g., mergers and acquisitions) as specified in the new section 3.6 of ripe-709, "Transfer of Internet Number Resources and Change of a Member’s Official Legal Name”.
Following a resolution at the Executive Board meeting on 7 September, when an member transfers IPv4 or 16-bit ASNs that are subject to the transfer restriction due to a change in business structure, the transferring LIR account needs to remain open until the new 24-month restriction on transfer of scarce resources has passed. If the receiving party already holds an LIR account, the LIR account of the transferring party will become an additional LIR account of the receiving party.
In effect, consolidation of LIR accounts belonging to the same member is not possible until the 24-month restriction has passed. However, new 24-month restrictions will not be applied to these resources if they are further transferred between LIR accounts held by the same member after the initial restrictions have expired. This applies to all resources transferred between LIR accounts of the same member in all situations.
This change is effective from 7 September 2018.
The section on transfers between LIR accounts belonging to the same member is available at: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer35 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer35>
The section relating to transfers due to a change in business structure is available at: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer36 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer36>
The minutes of the 118th Executive Board meeting are available at: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2018/draft-minutes-118... <https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2018/draft-minutes-118th-ripe-ncc-executive-board-meeting>. ----------------------------------------------
It means that the M&A (change in business structure) procedure cannot be complete, if the offering party (closed company) received the resources less than 24 months before.
But I don't really understand what for this document was implemented. The M&A procedure is the long and difficult process. More over it doesn't help to circumvent the transfer restriction policies to sell received resources.
If you go to this link https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tran... <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/transfer-statistics/within-ripe-ncc-service-region/ipv4-transfer-statistics> you can see that there are 309 transfers of /22 because of MERGER_OR_ACQUISITION and 3289 /22 transfers because of POLICY. (you can input merger /22 in the SEARCH field and see it by yourself). It is less than 10% from the overall transfer of /22 blocks
If you look at 185./22 transfers, you can see that the number of transfers because of MERGER_OR_ACQUISITION is 270. The total transfers of 185./22 because of POLICY is 1640. It is 14% transfers from the whole volume of transfers of 185./22.
To make my research more visual, I show the 2 tables:
Total Transfers of /22 M&A transfers Policy transfers % of M&A transfers 309 3289 8.6%
Transfers of 185./22 M&A transfers Policy transfers % of M&A transfers 262 1,638 14.1%
Total Transfers M&A transfers Policy transfers % of M&A transfers 945 8,833 9.7%
So, as you can see the % of M&A transfers is a little, but the ripe-709 brings many new problems and additional payments to the NCC.
Summarizing I would like to know the members opinion regarding this question. My opinion is that the NCC should refuse ripe-709, especially paragraph 3.6. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/freddy%40hosting.co.u...
Why are you guys always want to hack the transfer policy? If you want more IPV4 resources, buy it on the market, so you do not have to trick and boring everyone with your useless email storm!
Do you buy it on market? What price? As I can see, you have one /22 IPv4 185.217.72.0/22. May be it's enough for you. Also I see you became the LIR in August 2017. Perhaps you don't know the situation to tell your opinion. ср, 19 дек. 2018 г. в 13:18, Angeli László <langeli@matracomp.hu>:
„The M&A procedure is the long and difficult process”
No, you are wrong. It is simple, fast and cheap procedure, especially in the EU. It costs about 500 EUR at all.
Why are you guys always want to hack the transfer policy? If you want more IPV4 resources, buy it on the market, so you do not have to trick and boring everyone with your useless email storm!
Regards:
László Angeli
From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of IPLab Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 4:09 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] M&A procedure
Hi all!
On the 29th of October we received the next email:
----------------------------------------------
Dear RIPE NCC members,
We would like to inform you of changes relating to transfers due to a
change in business structure (e.g., mergers and acquisitions) as
specified in the new section 3.6 of ripe-709, "Transfer of Internet
Number Resources and Change of a Member’s Official Legal Name”.
Following a resolution at the Executive Board meeting on 7 September,
when an member transfers IPv4 or 16-bit ASNs that are subject to the
transfer restriction due to a change in business structure, the
transferring LIR account needs to remain open until the new 24-month
restriction on transfer of scarce resources has passed. If the receiving
party already holds an LIR account, the LIR account of the transferring
party will become an additional LIR account of the receiving party.
In effect, consolidation of LIR accounts belonging to the same member is
not possible until the 24-month restriction has passed. However, new
24-month restrictions will not be applied to these resources if they are
further transferred between LIR accounts held by the same member after
the initial restrictions have expired. This applies to all resources
transferred between LIR accounts of the same member in all situations.
This change is effective from 7 September 2018.
The section on transfers between LIR accounts belonging to the same
member is available at:
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer35
The section relating to transfers due to a change in business structure
is available at:
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-709#transfer36
The minutes of the 118th Executive Board meeting are available at:
https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2018/draft-minutes-118....
----------------------------------------------
It means that the M&A (change in business structure) procedure cannot be complete, if the offering party (closed company) received the resources less than 24 months before.
But I don't really understand what for this document was implemented. The M&A procedure is the long and difficult process. More over it doesn't help to circumvent the transfer restriction policies to sell received resources.
If you go to this link
https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tran...
you can see that there are 309 transfers of /22 because of MERGER_OR_ACQUISITION and 3289 /22 transfers because of POLICY. (you can input merger /22 in the SEARCH field and see it by yourself). It is less than 10% from the overall transfer of /22 blocks
If you look at 185./22 transfers, you can see that the number of transfers because of MERGER_OR_ACQUISITION is 270. The total transfers of 185./22 because of POLICY is 1640. It is 14% transfers from the whole volume of transfers of 185./22.
To make my research more visual, I show the 2 tables:
Total Transfers of /22
M&A transfers Policy transfers % of M&A transfers
309 3289 8.6%
Transfers of 185./22
M&A transfers Policy transfers % of M&A transfers
262 1,638 14.1%
Total Transfers
M&A transfers Policy transfers % of M&A transfers
945 8,833 9.7%
So, as you can see the % of M&A transfers is a little, but the ripe-709 brings many new problems and additional payments to the NCC.
Summarizing I would like to know the members opinion regarding this question. My opinion is that the NCC should refuse ripe-709, especially paragraph 3.6.
_______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmail...
-- ---------- Best regards, Alexey Bulgakov Tel.: +7 (926)690-87-29
Why are you guys always want to hack the transfer policy? If you want more IPV4 resources, buy it on the market, so you do not have to trick and boring everyone with your useless email storm!
Do you buy it on market? What price? As I can see, you have one /22 IPv4 185.217.72.0/22. May be it's enough for you. Also I see you became the LIR in August 2017. Perhaps you don't know the situation to tell your opinion. ----- Alexey
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