Hi Fergal, that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list. So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea? regards, elvis On 5/27/16 11:37 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to contact the responsible people.

Best regards,

Fergal Cunningham Membership Communications Officer RIPE NCC

On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote:

...

I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and participating in any discussion and/or subject.

Regards,

* *

*Husam AlHmoud*

Cloud & Hosting Director

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*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Hi,

Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every time you send anything to the discussion list…

Kind Regards,

Dom

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+1 On 2016.05.27 12:42, Dominik Nowacki wrote:

+1

*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Elvis Daniel Velea *Sent:* 27 May 2016 10:42 *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Hi Fergal,

that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list.

So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea?

regards, elvis

Can we also get rid of these humongous signatures? Reading a discussion now consists of scrolling past signatures in hope of finding relevant content On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Husam Alhmoud <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> wrote:

Yes

On May 27, 2016, at 1:45 PM, REG ID: pl.skonet <lir@skonet.pl> wrote:

+1000 to forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders.

Best regards Tomasz Śląski

W dniu 2016-05-27 o 11:41, Elvis Daniel Velea pisze:

Hi Fergal,

that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list.

So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea?

regards, elvis

On 5/27/16 11:37 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to contact the responsible people.

Best regards,

Fergal Cunningham Membership Communications Officer RIPE NCC

On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote:

I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and participating in any discussion and/or subject.

Regards,

* *

*Husam AlHmoud*

Cloud & Hosting Director husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com>

*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Hi,

Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every time you send anything to the discussion list…

Kind Regards,

Dom

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Tough. It’s a mailing list, most people do have corporate signatures, I don’t see it changing anytime soon. We can always move from mailing lists to the forum-style solution if there is enough support for this move. Kind Regards, Dom uk.clouvider From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Demicoli Sent: 27 May 2016 10:53 Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list Can we also get rid of these humongous signatures? Reading a discussion now consists of scrolling past signatures in hope of finding relevant content On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Husam Alhmoud <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com<mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com>> wrote: Yes On May 27, 2016, at 1:45 PM, REG ID: pl.skonet <lir@skonet.pl<mailto:lir@skonet.pl>> wrote: +1000 to forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Best regards Tomasz Śląski W dniu 2016-05-27 o 11:41, Elvis Daniel Velea pisze: Hi Fergal, that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list. So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea? regards, elvis On 5/27/16 11:37 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote: Dear colleagues, We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to contact the responsible people. Best regards, Fergal Cunningham Membership Communications Officer RIPE NCC On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote: I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and participating in any discussion and/or subject. Regards, * * *Husam AlHmoud* Cloud & Hosting Director husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com<mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com><mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> *From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list Hi, Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every time you send anything to the discussion list… Kind Regards, Dom uk.clouvider ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- <mime-attachment.png><http://v4escrow.net> Elvis Daniel Velea Chief Executive Officer E-mail: elvis@V4Escrow.net<mailto:elvis@V4Escrow.net> Mobile: +1 (702) 970 0921 Recognised IPv4 Broker/Facilitator in: <mime-attachment.png> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

Thank you for your message. We've created a ticket. No, just joking. I agree. Get rid of the bots. All the best, Stuart Stuart Gilbertson Consider IT Limited Superior IT Support www.considerit.co.uk 0131 510 0110 Please Note: This e-mail and any files that may be attached to it are for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information and is strictly confidential. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender by replying to this message. In the event that you are not the intended recipient, you must not directly or indirectly copy, print, or otherwise disseminate this message in full or in part. Consider IT Ltd takes reasonable steps to ensure that our e-mails are virus-free, and in any event, accept no liability, either for any alterations made to this e-mail by third parties, or any viruses that it may contain, howsoever arising. Consider IT Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorised to state them to be the views of any such entity. On 27 May 2016 at 11:02, REG ID: pl.skonet <lir@skonet.pl> wrote:

I'm an old dinosaur and I hate forums. I'ts better to keep the list, but aplly some detergents on it ;)

Best regards

Tomasz Śląski

W dniu 2016-05-27 o 11:57, Dominik Nowacki pisze:

Tough. It’s a mailing list, most people do have corporate signatures, I don’t see it changing anytime soon. We can always move from mailing lists to the forum-style solution if there is enough support for this move.

Kind Regards,

Dom

uk.clouvider

*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Demicoli *Sent:* 27 May 2016 10:53 *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Can we also get rid of these humongous signatures? Reading a discussion now consists of scrolling past signatures in hope of finding relevant content

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Husam Alhmoud <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> wrote:

Yes

On May 27, 2016, at 1:45 PM, REG ID: pl.skonet <lir@skonet.pl> wrote:

+1000 to forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders.

Best regards Tomasz Śląski

W dniu 2016-05-27 o 11:41, Elvis Daniel Velea pisze:

Hi Fergal,

that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list.

So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea?

regards, elvis

On 5/27/16 11:37 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to

contact the responsible people.

Best regards,

Fergal Cunningham

Membership Communications Officer

RIPE NCC

On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote:

I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and

participating in any discussion and/or subject.

Regards,

* *

*Husam AlHmoud*

Cloud & Hosting Director

husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com>

*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On

Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki

*Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM

*To:* members-discuss@ripe.net

*Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Hi,

Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the

bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant

number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every

time you send anything to the discussion list…

Kind Regards,

Dom

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I support a forum-style solution, not sure why we cannot have such a thing yet. Arash Naderpour On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Dominik Nowacki <dominik@clouvider.co.uk> wrote:

Tough. It’s a mailing list, most people do have corporate signatures, I don’t see it changing anytime soon. We can always move from mailing lists to the forum-style solution if there is enough support for this move.

Kind Regards,

Dom

uk.clouvider

*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Demicoli *Sent:* 27 May 2016 10:53 *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Can we also get rid of these humongous signatures? Reading a discussion now consists of scrolling past signatures in hope of finding relevant content

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Husam Alhmoud <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> wrote:

Yes

On May 27, 2016, at 1:45 PM, REG ID: pl.skonet <lir@skonet.pl> wrote:

+1000 to forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders.

Best regards Tomasz Śląski

W dniu 2016-05-27 o 11:41, Elvis Daniel Velea pisze:

Hi Fergal,

that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list.

So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea?

regards, elvis

On 5/27/16 11:37 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to

contact the responsible people.

Best regards,

Fergal Cunningham

Membership Communications Officer

RIPE NCC

On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote:

I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and

participating in any discussion and/or subject.

Regards,

* *

*Husam AlHmoud*

Cloud & Hosting Director

husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com>

*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On

Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki

*Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM

*To:* members-discuss@ripe.net

*Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Hi,

Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the

bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant

number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every

time you send anything to the discussion list…

Kind Regards,

Dom

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Agree. As a fresh member i would probably have not signed up to a forum. I think that people also think more about what, if anything, they bring to the discussion before replying to a mailing list. Forums, not so much. -Aleksi Ursin Magna Capax Finland On 27.5.2016 18:22, David Ponzone wrote:

I think it was agreed not so long ago that a forum would reduce the amount of actual readers. Push works better than pull, that’s a fact.

...

Le 27 mai 2016 à 17:04, Arash Naderpour <arash.naderpour@gmail.com <mailto:arash.naderpour@gmail.com>> a écrit :

I support a forum-style solution, not sure why we cannot have such a thing yet.

Arash Naderpour

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Dominik Nowacki <dominik@clouvider.co.uk <mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk>> wrote:

Tough. It’s a mailing list, most people do have corporate signatures, I don’t see it changing anytime soon. We can always move from mailing lists to the forum-style solution if there is enough support for this move.

Kind Regards,

Dom

uk.clouvider

*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Demicoli *Sent:* 27 May 2016 10:53 *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Can we also get rid of these humongous signatures? Reading a discussion now consists of scrolling past signatures in hope of finding relevant content

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Husam Alhmoud <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com>> wrote:

Yes

On May 27, 2016, at 1:45 PM, REG ID: pl.skonet <lir@skonet.pl <mailto:lir@skonet.pl>> wrote:

+1000 to forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders.

Best regards Tomasz Śląski

W dniu 2016-05-27 o 11:41, Elvis Daniel Velea pisze:

Hi Fergal,

that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list.

So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea?

regards, elvis

On 5/27/16 11:37 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to

contact the responsible people.

Best regards,

Fergal Cunningham

Membership Communications Officer

RIPE NCC

On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote:

I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and

participating in any discussion and/or subject.

Regards,

* *

*Husam AlHmoud*

Cloud & Hosting Director

husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com>

*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On

Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki

*Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM

*To:*members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>

*Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Hi,

Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the

bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant

number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every

time you send anything to the discussion list…

Kind Regards,

Dom

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Mailing lists may deliver more emails to mailboxes but certainly there is a difference between amount of actual readers and receivers. Arash On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 1:22 AM, David Ponzone <david.ponzone@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it was agreed not so long ago that a forum would reduce the amount of actual readers. Push works better than pull, that’s a fact.

Le 27 mai 2016 à 17:04, Arash Naderpour <arash.naderpour@gmail.com> a écrit :

I support a forum-style solution, not sure why we cannot have such a thing yet.

Arash Naderpour

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Dominik Nowacki <dominik@clouvider.co.uk> wrote:

...

Tough. It’s a mailing list, most people do have corporate signatures, I don’t see it changing anytime soon. We can always move from mailing lists to the forum-style solution if there is enough support for this move.

Kind Regards,

Dom

uk.clouvider

*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Demicoli *Sent:* 27 May 2016 10:53 *Cc:* members-discuss@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Can we also get rid of these humongous signatures? Reading a discussion now consists of scrolling past signatures in hope of finding relevant content

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Husam Alhmoud <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> wrote:

Yes

On May 27, 2016, at 1:45 PM, REG ID: pl.skonet <lir@skonet.pl> wrote:

+1000 to forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders.

Best regards Tomasz Śląski

W dniu 2016-05-27 o 11:41, Elvis Daniel Velea pisze:

Hi Fergal,

that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list.

So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea?

regards, elvis

On 5/27/16 11:37 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:

Dear colleagues,

We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to

contact the responsible people.

Best regards,

Fergal Cunningham

Membership Communications Officer

RIPE NCC

On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote:

I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and

participating in any discussion and/or subject.

Regards,

* *

*Husam AlHmoud*

Cloud & Hosting Director

husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com>

*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On

Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki

*Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM

*To:* members-discuss@ripe.net

*Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Hi,

Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the

bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant

number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every

time you send anything to the discussion list…

Kind Regards,

Dom

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The question was to judge the support for potentially coming through with a proposal for voting, so I’d say it’s justified to show the support (or provide arguments against it), so Elvis can see if there is a point with working on one : - ). Kind Regards, Dom uk.clouvider From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Alex Saroyan Sent: 27 May 2016 10:54 To: Husam Alhmoud <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list Now we all behave like bots replying with "+1" and so :) Regards. /Alex Saroyan On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Husam Alhmoud <husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com<mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com>> wrote: Yes On May 27, 2016, at 1:45 PM, REG ID: pl.skonet <lir@skonet.pl<mailto:lir@skonet.pl>> wrote: +1000 to forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Best regards Tomasz Śląski W dniu 2016-05-27 o 11:41, Elvis Daniel Velea pisze: Hi Fergal, that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list. So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea? regards, elvis On 5/27/16 11:37 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote: Dear colleagues, We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to contact the responsible people. Best regards, Fergal Cunningham Membership Communications Officer RIPE NCC On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote: I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and participating in any discussion and/or subject. Regards, * * *Husam AlHmoud* Cloud & Hosting Director husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com<mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> <mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com><mailto:husam.alhmoud@jawraa.com> *From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list Hi, Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every time you send anything to the discussion list… Kind Regards, Dom uk.clouvider ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. -- <mime-attachment.png><http://v4escrow.net> Elvis Daniel Velea Chief Executive Officer E-mail: elvis@V4Escrow.net<mailto:elvis@V4Escrow.net> Mobile: +1 (702) 970 0921<tel:%2B1%C2%A0%28702%29%C2%A0970%C2%A00921> Recognised IPv4 Broker/Facilitator in: <mime-attachment.png> ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Le 27 mai 2016 à 11:41, Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis@v4escrow.net> a écrit :

Hi Fergal,

that has never worked completely. There have always been bots and ticketing systems subscribed to the list. We can all give you a list of the bots and the email addresses that need to be forcefully unsubscribed from the members-discuss list.

So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. Dear members, do you agree with my idea?

regards, elvis

On 5/27/16 11:37 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:

...

Dear colleagues,

We will contact the autoresponders and carry out our periodic effort to contact the responsible people.

Best regards,

Fergal Cunningham Membership Communications Officer RIPE NCC

On 27/05/16 10:31, Husam AlHmoud wrote:

...

I fully agree with Dominik, it reduces the interest in reading and participating in any discussion and/or subject.

Regards,

* *

*Husam AlHmoud*

Cloud & Hosting Director

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*From:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] *On Behalf Of *Dominik Nowacki *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:27 PM *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> *Subject:* [members-discuss] Bots subscribed to the list

Hi,

Can I please ask RIPE staff to look at the list again and get all the bots to be unsubscribed ? It’s very disruptive to get a significant number of ticket desks, autoresponders, or mailer daemon emails every time you send anything to the discussion list…

Kind Regards,

Dom

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Dear Nick and all, If you receive mails from autoresponders, you can let us know at <comms@ripe.net> and we will ask the relevant parties to change their mail settings. Best regards, Fergal Cunningham Membership Communications Officer RIPE NCC On 27/05/16 11:57, Nick Hilliard wrote:

Elvis Daniel Velea wrote:

...

So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders.

the NCC staff already do this. No need for votes or resolutions.

There are a couple of problems:

1. you can't tell in advance which email addresses are connected to autoresponders and which aren't. People add autoresponder email addresses to the list over time, so if you have a period where there is little or no email traffic to the mailing list, the list will end up with a bunch of autoresponders

2. most of the autoreplies go to the people who post to the list, so the RIPE NCC staff don't have visibility into who's autoresponding.

3. Some people sign up full-blown ticketing systems, like servicedesk@mew.gov.kw. This is frustrating because it poops replies to the list address instead of the sender.

4. the email addresses that the bounces come from are not necessarily the email addresses signed up to the list. I.e. tracing can be hard.

The NCC staff can only react to this problem, and mostly only when posters inform them about what email addresses are sending out bounces.

If you post to the list and get a bunch of autoreplies, the best thing is to email the RIPE NCC mailing list admin directly so that they can do something about it. If members-discuss-owner@ripe.net isn't the best address to use, maybe someone from the NCC can clarify what address would be appropriate.

Nick

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I have to agree with Elvis on this one Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2016, at 20:47, Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis@v4escrow.net<mailto:elvis@v4escrow.net>> wrote: Hi Nick, On 5/27/16 11:57 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote: Elvis Daniel Velea wrote: So, I think it's time we propose and vote to give the RIPE NCC the mandate to really maintain this mailing list and forcefully unsubscribe the bots and auto-responders. the NCC staff already do this. No need for votes or resolutions. Does the NCC unsubscribe the bots/tickets/auto-responders automatically or just asks the members to unsubscribe/subscribe an other e-mail address? As far as I can see in the responses, they will ask nicely but not forcefully unsubscribe anyone. What I was aiming for is the netiquette of this mailing list to say "if you subscribe bots/tickets/auto-responders the NCC will unsubscribe these automatically" and notify all your contacts of your LIR of their action. There are a couple of problems: 1. you can't tell in advance which email addresses are connected to autoresponders and which aren't. People add autoresponder email addresses to the list over time, so if you have a period where there is little or no email traffic to the mailing list, the list will end up with a bunch of autoresponders well, the RIPE NCC sends e-mails to this list more often than we do. Every time they send an e-mail they know which e-mail addresses are auto-responders. 2. most of the autoreplies go to the people who post to the list, so the RIPE NCC staff don't have visibility into who's autoresponding. see above 3. Some people sign up full-blown ticketing systems, like servicedesk@mew.gov.kw<mailto:servicedesk@mew.gov.kw>. This is frustrating because it poops replies to the list address instead of the sender. exactly, those are the most annoying. 4. the email addresses that the bounces come from are not necessarily the email addresses signed up to the list. I.e. tracing can be hard. most of the times when you get a bounce you know which address is the one not subscribed either from the body of the e-mail or from its headers. The NCC staff can only react to this problem, and mostly only when posters inform them about what email addresses are sending out bounces. If you post to the list and get a bunch of autoreplies, the best thing is to email the RIPE NCC mailing list admin directly so that they can do something about it. If members-discuss-owner@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-owner@ripe.net> isn't the best address to use, maybe someone from the NCC can clarify what address would be appropriate. So, maybe they could be a bit more proactive and when they send e-mails to the list, they can already see which addresses are 'problematic' and unsubscribe these. Nick /elvis PS: I removed the signature, sorry for forgetting when I sent my previous message :) ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.