Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] The RIPE NCC General Meeting May 2022
On 20/05/2022 16:30, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
Resolution 3: "The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2023."
https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2022/voting-report I would hope that with a 25% voting NO to the charging scheme, that the executive board create a discussion as to why so many LIRs voted against the proposed charging scheme and perhaps in the future break down the charging scheme vote into smaller components rather than an all or nothing vote. Regards, Hank
Hello Hank,
why so many LIRs voted against the proposed charging scheme
It's very simple. RIPE NCC *utilizes* any amount of collected money. Will it be 21 million or 40 million budget. Example: Report 2015 vs 2021 Budget: 21 mln vs 34 mln LIR Portal 331 vs 1,838 RPKI none vs 963k eur (16k certificates and 27k ROA records) 19,5 mln eur for 162 FTEs = 120k eur per year = 10k per month. Most of the RIPE community is well aware of the cost of IT services, but you will not find details of IT costs. RIPE Database costs 658 thousand euros per year or 54 thousand per month. for 5.5 GB DB RAW format. Can anyone explain why RPKI is so expensive? this is almost 1 million euros per year. Best regards, Dmitry
On 21 May 2022, at 21:26, Hank Nussbacher <hank@interall.co.il> wrote:
On 20/05/2022 16:30, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
Resolution 3: "The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2023."
https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2022/voting-report
I would hope that with a 25% voting NO to the charging scheme, that the executive board create a discussion as to why so many LIRs voted against the proposed charging scheme and perhaps in the future break down the charging scheme vote into smaller components rather than an all or nothing vote.
Regards, Hank
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On 21. 05. 22 20:26, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On 20/05/2022 16:30, Hans Petter Holen wrote:
Resolution 3: "The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2023."
https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2022/voting-report
Dear Hank, The Board started an engagement on the charging scheme model with members last year. There was a survey and then an Open House to discuss the results of the survey and a potential way forward. You can see the Open House discussion here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-cha... After that series of engagements, the Board planned to reopen the topic ahead of the recent General Meeting and was hoping to propose four models based on the feedback they got. You can see what those models are in the presentation I gave at the GM last week. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2022/documentation... So as you suggest, we do plan to come back to this at a time when all members are able to give the topic more attention. And of course discussion on this list and an explanation of why people voted against a resolution is always very useful for the Board. We pay close attention to those discussions. It has always been difficult to get a clear consensus among members about charging. So given the many divergent opinions that we've seen so far in the discussions around the charging scheme, a 70% yes vote for the 2023 charging scheme model might also be considered to be quite a positive outcome, even if there is still plenty of work to be done in this area. Regards, Ondřej Filip RIPE NCC Executive Board Treasurer
I would hope that with a 25% voting NO to the charging scheme, that the executive board create a discussion as to why so many LIRs voted against the proposed charging scheme and perhaps in the future break down the charging scheme vote into smaller components rather than an all or nothing vote.
Regards, Hank
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