Re: [members-discuss] Voting for RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024
The voting procedure is “instant run-off” which clearly benefits what RIPE wants – Charging scheme A. The other 3 options will cancel themselves out, none of them having any chance to gain close to 50% and with the redistribution, the most voted option has a clear advantage from the start. RIPE has on their website a nice video that shows exactly how it’s done and how basically Charging scheme A will win – because they intentionally made it this way so that the other three options are basically lost in the votes - https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/how-to-vote The only way I see in which Charging scheme A will NOT pass, is by choosing option 4 on it when voting by as many people as possible. Silviu From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Q Misell via members-discuss Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 15:05 To: J Pawlus <Jerzy.Pawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl<mailto:Jerzy.Pawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl>> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Voting for RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Hi, It is my understanding that the voting will take the form of STV (Single Transferable Vote), which will not cause your mentioned problem. Thanks, Q [https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/a/AGNmyxbpJnlf2vclhNhOy6wcU6-VdyRT0K8tmuns...] Q Director +44 33 33 408690 [https://as207960.net/assets/img/logo2.png]<https://e.as207960.net/w4bdyj/TkxwHvOq>[https://images.credly.com/images/9f87f9ae-1875-4009-a8e6-ffe4aefea52d/image.png] ________________________________ Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. AS207960 Cyfyngedig, having a registered office at 13 Pen-y-lan Terrace, Caerdydd, Cymru, CF23 9EU, trading as Glauca Digital, is a company registered in Wales under № 12417574<https://e.as207960.net/w4bdyj/SFhtfOwI>, LEI 875500FXNCJPAPF3PD10. ICO register №: ZA782876<https://e.as207960.net/w4bdyj/u7mtgS8G>. UK VAT №: GB378323867. EU VAT №: EU372013983. Turkish VAT №: 0861333524. South Korean VAT №: 522-80-03080. Glauca Digital and the Glauca logo are registered trademarks in the UK, under № UK00003718474 and № UK00003718468, respectively. On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 13:06, J Pawlus <Jerzy.Pawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl<mailto:Jerzy.Pawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl>> wrote: Hello, Voting for RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 seems unfair. The voting should be two stage. In the first stage there should be two options: Stage 1: Option 1: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 based on category model (Option A) Option 2: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 based on non-category model (Option B,C,D) Stage 2: This stage should be taken into account if Option 2 wins. Option B: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Model B.” Option C: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Model C.” Option D: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Model D.” Otherwise all LIR interested in not winning option A should choose to vote for one of the options B,C or D (for example B) Best regards, Jerzy Pawlus ACK Cyfronet AGH _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss<https://e.as207960.net/w4bdyj/LFHjLbyK>
Hi,
The voting procedure is “instant run-off” which clearly benefits what RIPE wants – Charging scheme A.
Cards on the table: my LIR will see a substantial increase in our RIPE NCC service fees from the category-based model, but I do not believe the above is necessarily correct. To win, one of the charging schemes must get more than 50% of the vote. If we assume that more than 50% of the members want flat fee, but are evenly split between models B, C and D, then after the first round of voting, A will have 48% (say) of the votes, and the remaining 52% split between B, C and D. At that point, as nobody has > 50%, the lowest of B, C or D will be reallocated to their second preference votes. Presumably most of those will also put another category-based option as their second preference. If you want flat fee, it’s probably important to rank B, C and D according to your preference, but include all of them. If you want category-based, then obviously vote for that. :) Cheers, Rob
Absolutely agree! This voting looks like manipulating. NCC now works like not clear hand politicians..... Serbulov Dmitry
Hi,
The voting procedure is “instant run-off” which clearly benefits what RIPE wants – Charging scheme A.
Cards on the table: my LIR will see a substantial increase in our RIPE NCC service fees from the category-based model, but I do not believe the above is necessarily correct.
To win, one of the charging schemes must get more than 50% of the vote.
If we assume that more than 50% of the members want flat fee, but are evenly split between models B, C and D, then after the first round of voting, A will have 48% (say) of the votes, and the remaining 52% split between B, C and D.
At that point, as nobody has > 50%, the lowest of B, C or D will be reallocated to their second preference votes. Presumably most of those will also put another category-based option as their second preference.
If you want flat fee, it’s probably important to rank B, C and D according to your preference, but include all of them.
If you want category-based, then obviously vote for that. :)
Cheers, Rob
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Absolutely agree! This voting looks like manipulating.
So you absolutely agree with the explanation that STV is fair, but also that it's manipulative? Q Director +44 33 33 408690 <https://as207960.net> ------------------------------ Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. AS207960 Cyfyngedig, having a registered office at 13 Pen-y-lan Terrace, Caerdydd, Cymru, CF23 9EU, trading as Glauca Digital, is a company registered in Wales under № 12417574 <https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12417574>, LEI 875500FXNCJPAPF3PD10. ICO register №: ZA782876 <https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/ZA782876>. UK VAT №: GB378323867. EU VAT №: EU372013983. Turkish VAT №: 0861333524. South Korean VAT №: 522-80-03080. Glauca Digital and the Glauca logo are registered trademarks in the UK, under № UK00003718474 and № UK00003718468, respectively. On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 14:17, <sdy@a-n-t.ru> wrote:
Absolutely agree! This voting looks like manipulating. NCC now works like not clear hand politicians..... Serbulov Dmitry
Hi,
The voting procedure is “instant run-off” which clearly benefits what RIPE wants – Charging scheme A.
Cards on the table: my LIR will see a substantial increase in our RIPE NCC service fees from the category-based model, but I do not believe the above is necessarily correct.
To win, one of the charging schemes must get more than 50% of the vote.
If we assume that more than 50% of the members want flat fee, but are evenly split between models B, C and D, then after the first round of voting, A will have 48% (say) of the votes, and the remaining 52% split between B, C and D.
At that point, as nobody has > 50%, the lowest of B, C or D will be reallocated to their second preference votes. Presumably most of those will also put another category-based option as their second preference.
If you want flat fee, it’s probably important to rank B, C and D according to your preference, but include all of them.
If you want category-based, then obviously vote for that. :)
Cheers, Rob
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Hi Silviu, You have misunderstood how IRV/STV works. If the majority are against charging scheme A, but are otherwise split across the other charging schemes IRV will ensure that scheme A does not win. Thanks, Q Q Director +44 33 33 408690 <https://as207960.net> ------------------------------ Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. AS207960 Cyfyngedig, having a registered office at 13 Pen-y-lan Terrace, Caerdydd, Cymru, CF23 9EU, trading as Glauca Digital, is a company registered in Wales under № 12417574 <https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12417574>, LEI 875500FXNCJPAPF3PD10. ICO register №: ZA782876 <https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/ZA782876>. UK VAT №: GB378323867. EU VAT №: EU372013983. Turkish VAT №: 0861333524. South Korean VAT №: 522-80-03080. Glauca Digital and the Glauca logo are registered trademarks in the UK, under № UK00003718474 and № UK00003718468, respectively. On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 11:25, Skyline Telecom <Skylinetelecom@outlook.com> wrote:
The voting procedure is “instant run-off” which clearly benefits what RIPE wants – Charging scheme A.
The other 3 options will cancel themselves out, none of them having any chance to gain close to 50% and with the redistribution, the most voted option has a clear advantage from the start.
RIPE has on their website a nice video that shows exactly how it’s done and how basically Charging scheme A will win – because they intentionally made it this way so that the other three options are basically lost in the votes - https://e.as207960.net/w4bdyj/PsGGMKxV
The only way I see in which Charging scheme A will NOT pass, is by choosing option 4 on it when voting by as many people as possible.
Silviu
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Hi,
It is my understanding that the voting will take the form of STV (Single Transferable Vote), which will not cause your mentioned problem.
Thanks,
Q
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On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 13:06, J Pawlus <Jerzy.Pawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl> wrote:
Hello,
Voting for RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 seems unfair. The voting should be two stage. In the first stage there should be two options:
Stage 1:
Option 1: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 based on category model (Option A) Option 2: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 based on non-category model (Option B,C,D)
Stage 2:
This stage should be taken into account if Option 2 wins.
Option B: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Model B.” Option C: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Model C.” Option D: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Model D.”
Otherwise all LIR interested in not winning option A should choose to vote for one of the options B,C or D (for example B)
Best regards,
Jerzy Pawlus ACK Cyfronet AGH
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Hi, On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:05:20PM +0200, Q Misell via members-discuss wrote:
You have misunderstood how IRV/STV works. If the majority are against charging scheme A, but are otherwise split across the other charging schemes IRV will ensure that scheme A does not win.
30% on A 20% on B 25% on C 25% on D please explain how "70% are against A" will make A not win here. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi Gert, The scenario you present is incomplete as you did not include second/third preference votes, however I will do my best to explain. No options have a majority, even though option A has a plurality, so option B (the least popular) would be eliminated. Let's assume those voting for options B, C, and D do not want option A so their second preference votes would be allocated to C and D. 30% on A 33% on C 37% on D Once again none has a majority so we eliminate option A, let's assume these are allocated equally. 48% on C 52% on D Then option D wins. I hope this helps. Q Director +44 33 33 408690 <https://as207960.net> ------------------------------ Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. AS207960 Cyfyngedig, having a registered office at 13 Pen-y-lan Terrace, Caerdydd, Cymru, CF23 9EU, trading as Glauca Digital, is a company registered in Wales under № 12417574 <https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12417574>, LEI 875500FXNCJPAPF3PD10. ICO register №: ZA782876 <https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/ZA782876>. UK VAT №: GB378323867. EU VAT №: EU372013983. Turkish VAT №: 0861333524. South Korean VAT №: 522-80-03080. Glauca Digital and the Glauca logo are registered trademarks in the UK, under № UK00003718474 and № UK00003718468, respectively. On Wed, 24 May 2023 at 14:51, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:05:20PM +0200, Q Misell via members-discuss wrote:
You have misunderstood how IRV/STV works. If the majority are against charging scheme A, but are otherwise split across the other charging schemes IRV will ensure that scheme A does not win.
30% on A 20% on B 25% on C 25% on D
please explain how "70% are against A" will make A not win here.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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Hi, On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 03:01:08PM +0200, Q Misell wrote:
The scenario you present is incomplete as you did not include second/third preference votes, however I will do my best to explain.
Thanks. Indeed I had a misunderstanding on second preference votes here. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi, Whatever is said about fairness of the voting Option A is strongly preferred. To minimize the chance of winning option A people should not marked it as preferred AND mark as preferred ALL Options B,C,D in whatever preference they want. In contrast, if people want Option A to win they shall simply marked it without taking care of other options. Best regards, Jerzy Pawlus P.S. Disclaimer: I do not express my opinion I only care about the the fairness of the voting system. On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 03:01:08PM +0200, Q Misell via members-discuss wrote:
Hi Gert,
The scenario you present is incomplete as you did not include second/third preference votes, however I will do my best to explain.
No options have a majority, even though option A has a plurality, so option B (the least popular) would be eliminated. Let's assume those voting for options B, C, and D do not want option A so their second preference votes would be allocated to C and D. 30% on A 33% on C 37% on D
Once again none has a majority so we eliminate option A, let's assume these are allocated equally. 48% on C 52% on D
Then option D wins.
I hope this helps.
Q Director
For the best choice of payment scheme, we should first vote for the choice of payment method: 1. Categories 2. One payment 3. One payment + payment for RESOURCES I like the 3rd option. Where 50% of the budget would be formed by the same payments for each. 50% due to payments for each /24 IPv4 network and other resources Dmitry Serbulov.
Hi,
On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:05:20PM +0200, Q Misell via members-discuss wrote:
You have misunderstood how IRV/STV works. If the majority are against charging scheme A, but are otherwise split across the other charging schemes IRV will ensure that scheme A does not win.
30% on A 20% on B 25% on C 25% on D
please explain how "70% are against A" will make A not win here.
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Is my understanding not correct that in this case, choice B would get kicked off and the votes get added to the voters secondary choices? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Andreas Grabmüller QuarIT GmbH \\ Jägerstraße 19 \\ 83308 Trostberg \\ Deutschland a.grabmueller@quarit.de \\ www.quaritec.de \\ Telefon: +49 8621 994900-0 \\ Telefax: +49 8621 994900-9 Amtsgericht Traunstein: HRB 23872 \\ Sitz: Trostberg \\ Geschäftsführer: Andreas Grabmüller \\ Ust.-ID: DE297594275 Allgemeine Geschäftsbedingungen: http://www.quaritec.de/agb \\ Aktuelle Preisliste: http://www.quaritec.de/preise -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Gert Doering Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2023 14:52 An: Q Misell <q@as207960.net> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Voting for RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Hi, On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 12:05:20PM +0200, Q Misell via members-discuss wrote:
You have misunderstood how IRV/STV works. If the majority are against charging scheme A, but are otherwise split across the other charging schemes IRV will ensure that scheme A does not win.
30% on A 20% on B 25% on C 25% on D please explain how "70% are against A" will make A not win here. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On Wed May 24, 2023 at 12:05:20PM +0200, Q Misell via members-discuss wrote:
You have misunderstood how IRV/STV works. If the majority are against charging scheme A, but are otherwise split across the other charging schemes IRV will ensure that scheme A does not win.
That's true but it distracts from the real issue - choosing categories such that the large number of new LIRs that enabled and now put at risk the budget growth are in a category where they will get a reduction at the expense of other members. They and the rest of the very small members make up around 67% of the votes. If A wins and as RIPE predict those with many LIRs condense them it will further disadvantage longer standing members with the lower to middle sizes seeing further large increases (as a per IP vote has been avoided the large are not affected much) next year. Currently the previous scheme is the fairest option offered, get voting as those who will save money outnumber the rest. If A wins I guess a deeper budget discussion will be needed next time to bring the costs down again and probably result in larger cuts than if RIPE hadn't set members up against each other in this way. brandon
I don't think a ~24hour moderation delay is appropriate during a voting period. It's annoying and slows the conversation at normal times but I accept it'd eat staff time so we live with that as the list is usually silent anyway. However during voting it may affect a vote outcome. For a few days during voting perhaps move some resource into this?
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On Wed May 24, 2023 at 12:05:20PM +0200, Q Misell via members-discuss wrote:
You have misunderstood how IRV/STV works. If the majority are against charging scheme A, but are otherwise split across the other charging schemes IRV will ensure that scheme A does not win. <trimmed>
brandon
Yep, the moderation delay makes it very confusing to follow topics. Some people reply directly, as well as in-chain with the mailing list and it doesn't play well with my inbox. Regards, Josh Jameson On 5/25/23 15:43, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
I don't think a ~24hour moderation delay is appropriate during a voting period. It's annoying and slows the conversation at normal times but I accept it'd eat staff time so we live with that as the list is usually silent anyway.
However during voting it may affect a vote outcome.
For a few days during voting perhaps move some resource into this?
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On Wed May 24, 2023 at 12:05:20PM +0200, Q Misell via members-discuss wrote:
You have misunderstood how IRV/STV works. If the majority are against charging scheme A, but are otherwise split across the other charging schemes IRV will ensure that scheme A does not win. <trimmed>
brandon
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Hi Silviu, the voting system does not benefit Scheme A. Your vote preference counts. If people choose A before choosing one of the others then that is their preference and that is what will win if enough people do so. If you don’t want Scheme A at all, vote it last and then your preference will be everything before A. Regards Sebastian
On 23. May 2023, at 18:29, Skyline Telecom <Skylinetelecom@outlook.com> wrote:
The voting procedure is “instant run-off” which clearly benefits what RIPE wants – Charging scheme A. The other 3 options will cancel themselves out, none of them having any chance to gain close to 50% and with the redistribution, the most voted option has a clear advantage from the start. RIPE has on their website a nice video that shows exactly how it’s done and how basically Charging scheme A will win – because they intentionally made it this way so that the other three options are basically lost in the votes - https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2023/how-to-vote The only way I see in which Charging scheme A will NOT pass, is by choosing option 4 on it when voting by as many people as possible. Silviu From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Q Misell via members-discuss Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2023 15:05 To: J Pawlus <Jerzy.Pawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Voting for RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Hi, It is my understanding that the voting will take the form of STV (Single Transferable Vote), which will not cause your mentioned problem. Thanks, Q QDirector +44 33 33 408690Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. AS207960 Cyfyngedig, having a registered office at 13 Pen-y-lan Terrace, Caerdydd, Cymru, CF23 9EU, trading as Glauca Digital, is a company registered in Wales under № 12417574, LEI 875500FXNCJPAPF3PD10. ICO register №:ZA782876. UK VAT №: GB378323867. EU VAT №: EU372013983. Turkish VAT №: 0861333524. South Korean VAT №: 522-80-03080. Glauca Digital and the Glauca logo are registered trademarks in the UK, under № UK00003718474 and № UK00003718468, respectively. On Tue, 23 May 2023 at 13:06, J Pawlus <Jerzy.Pawlus@cyf-kr.edu.pl> wrote: Hello,
Voting for RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 seems unfair. The voting should be two stage. In the first stage there should be two options:
Stage 1:
Option 1: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 based on category model (Option A) Option 2: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 based on non-category model (Option B,C,D)
Stage 2:
This stage should be taken into account if Option 2 wins.
Option B: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Model B.” Option C: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Model C.” Option D: “The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2024 Model D.”
Otherwise all LIR interested in not winning option A should choose to vote for one of the options B,C or D (for example B)
Best regards,
Jerzy Pawlus ACK Cyfronet AGH
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