I understand his message quite well. For IPv6 the smallest category in proposed charging model A was moved from a /31 to a /29 because of complaints and because (in my very subjective and cynical opinion) it isn't really material to the discussion. I guess everyone got a /32 originally but RIPE reserved a /29 or so for each organization. At some point they then started asking directly whether one would like to get a /29. As the largest or equal billing category will win, the invoicing will for the majority involve their IPv4 allocations. This is the basis of the budget. If someone(s) happen to have a larger IPv6 billing category it won't be but a drop in the big pond. For IPv4, at the time of RIPE-159, the initial allocation really was a /19. I remember it well... and the assignment windows and the IP police we all loved and cherished.😉 But changing to that would ruin the billing model and, of course, this exercise. Kaj ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Andreas Grabmüller | QuarIT GmbH <a.grabmueller@quarit.de> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 18:58 To: 'RIPE member discuss list' <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft Charging Scheme Models 2024 Hello Brian, I don't really understand your argument. So yes, if you have been a member for a long time you have received a bigger allocation. But either you use that allocation, then there's no argument. Or you don't use it - then give back what you don't need. Best regards, Andreas Grabmüller QuarIT GmbH \\ Jägerstraße 19 \\ 83308 Trostberg \\ Deutschland a.grabmueller@quarit.de \\ https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quaritec.de%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce858b005e95d4ca1a62808db4d5ebf64%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638188841575802874%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Z4A5SQVW%2FkGbHj2Ug06tkoBzV71w2lTxADfsycDh0Ug%3D&reserved=0<http://www.quaritec.de/> \\ Telefon: +49 8621 994900-0 \\ Telefax: +49 8621 994900-9 Amtsgericht Traunstein: HRB 23872 \\ Sitz: Trostberg \\ Geschäftsführer: Andreas Grabmüller \\ Ust.-ID: DE297594275 Allgemeine Geschäftsbedingungen: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quaritec.de%2Fagb&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce858b005e95d4ca1a62808db4d5ebf64%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638188841575802874%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=S7YTXPJ2D9NPx8L6YRbp%2FhfPtMmqKMnE2JgTvWtiX24%3D&reserved=0<http://www.quaritec.de/agb> \\ Aktuelle Preisliste: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quaritec.de%2Fpreise&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce858b005e95d4ca1a62808db4d5ebf64%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638188841575802874%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jUScpXOZM3T6oFOdWeCCNNfl2Nny0AKLx5k%2Bh9x6CoA%3D&reserved=0<http://www.quaritec.de/preise> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Brian Turnbow via members-discuss Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2023 18:57 An: RIPE member discuss list <members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft Charging Scheme Models 2024 Hi,
Thanks for this link.
Also I've noticed that in ARIN, /20 up to and including /18 plus /32 up to and including /28 are referred as SMALL, with a fee of $2000, not $4000+ as proposed in model A.
What makes the pay per category model "A" as proposed impossible for me to vote for is it penalizes all long standing lirs. When I started working with Ripe you signed up completed the forms and a /19 was allocated, more if you could demonstrate need but /19 was default. You then requested an AS. Run out came along and you could get a last /22 together with your v6 allocation. So that adds up to a /19, /22, AS and /32(or /29) That should be the bare minimum for small as it is what any long standing lir has with Ripe, yet they would now find themselves in category 6 at the high end of the scale. It does not mean they have more revenues than a lir started in say 2018 with much less IP resources, just that they started first. Note that I am not talking about the company I work for, we have more resources than those stated above, but I know several companies that fit into the category. Brian _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmembers-discuss&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce858b005e95d4ca1a62808db4d5ebf64%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638188841575802874%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=t8jr9Rb2aWf6VQ1D6P2X1PwwojY6Xq1EoREhxblX9Y0%3D&reserved=0<https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss> Unsubscribe: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ripe.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fmembers-discuss%2Fa.grabmueller%2540quari&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce858b005e95d4ca1a62808db4d5ebf64%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638188841575802874%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=E5UmQ85rd95QIjYL1oB%2FYsEY2rsxQfrawlInjswhNUI%3D&reserved=0<https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a.grabmueller%40quari> t.de