I understand his message quite well.

For IPv6 the smallest category in proposed charging model A was moved from a /31 to a /29 because of complaints and because (in my very subjective and cynical opinion) it isn't really material to the discussion. I guess everyone got a /32 originally but RIPE reserved a /29 or so for each organization. At some point they then started asking directly whether one would like to get a /29.

As the largest or equal billing category will win, the invoicing will for the majority involve their IPv4 allocations. This is the basis of the budget. If someone(s) happen to have a larger IPv6 billing category it won't be but a drop in the big pond.

For IPv4, at the time of RIPE-159, the initial allocation really was a /19. I remember it well... and the assignment windows and the IP police we all loved and cherished.😉 But changing to that would ruin the billing model and, of course, this exercise.




Kaj
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Hello Brian,

I don't really understand your argument. So yes, if you have been a member
for a long time you have received a bigger allocation. But either you use
that allocation, then there's no argument. Or you don't use it - then give
back what you don't need.

Best regards,

Andreas Grabmüller


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Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Brian
Turnbow via members-discuss
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2023 18:57
An: RIPE member discuss list <members-discuss@ripe.net>
Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft
Charging Scheme Models 2024

Hi,
>
> Thanks for this link.
>
> Also I've noticed that in ARIN,
> /20 up to and including /18  plus /32 up to and including /28 are
> referred as SMALL, with a fee of $2000, not $4000+ as proposed in model A.
>

What makes  the pay per category model  "A" as proposed impossible for me to
vote for is it penalizes all long standing lirs.
When I started working  with Ripe you signed up completed the forms and a
/19 was allocated, more if you could demonstrate need but /19 was default.
You then requested an AS.
Run out came along and you could get a last /22 together with your  v6
allocation.
So that adds up to a /19, /22, AS and /32(or /29) That should be the bare
minimum for small as  it is what any long standing lir has with Ripe, yet
they would now find themselves in category 6 at the high end of the scale.
It does not mean they have more revenues than a lir started in say 2018 with
much less IP  resources, just that they started first.
Note that I am not talking about the company I work for, we have more
resources than those stated above, but I know several companies that fit
into the category.


Brian
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