I think you confuse a lot of things here and your information is flawed, these are *not* RIPE objects, these are ARIN spaces which just happen to have a route and inetnum object in the RIPE DB (see ARIN DB, which is authoritive for HP and Daimler networks)... You also confuse Pre-RIR with RIR space, Both HP and Daimler have zero obligation to return this networks (sure, it would be nice if they do, but they don't need to). PS: 15.0.0.0/8 HAS a route, AS71 (HP-INTERNET-AS) - The Daimler /8 is announced as well, and so is the WIND Legacy (151.3.0.0/16 and .4-.95.0.0/16 on AS1267 ASN-INFOSTRADA) William Weber -- EDIS GmbH NOC AS57169 - at.edisgmh - RIPE: WW Von meinem iPad gesendet Am 27.07.2012 um 01:11 schrieb LeaderTelecom Ltd. <info@leadertelecom.ru>:
Dear Members,
Here is some examples why current charging scheme and new draft is not so good for Members and why we have to move to charging scheme based on count of used IPs.
Case 1. Inetnum: 15.0.0.0/8 (16 777 216 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Hewlett-Packard Company. a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR. b) See in remarks: "From 27th June 1998, no origin in Europe.". This space must be return to RIPE by current policy.
Case 2. Inetnum: 53.0.0.0/8 (16 777 216 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Daimler AG. a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR. b) This is not Telecom. Based on report Daimler AG: http://sustainability.daimler.com/reports/daimler/annual/2012/nb/English/552... WorldWide Workforce: 271370 people. Does Daimler AG reely need real IP for each person? /8 = 16 777 216 IPs. So for each person in company Daimler AG need 16 777 216 / 271 370 = 64 IPs?
Case 3. Inetnum: 51.0.0.0/8 (16 777 216 IPs ). EARLY-REGISTRATION. UK Government Department for Work and Pensions. a) For free (legacy). b) This network doesn't have any routes.
Case 4. Inetnum:151.3.0.0 - 151.84.255.255 ( 5 373 952 IPs). EARLY-REGISTRATION. WIND Telecomunicazioni S.p.A. a) For free (legacy).
Case 5. Inetnum: 163.62.0.0 - 163.116.255.255 ( 3 604 480 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Electricite de France. a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource only 50 EUR. b) This network doesn't have any routes.
It is just a small amount of problems which we have right now. We have a lot of free IPs, but we don't use them. /8 for 50 EUR? This is cost of current (and new) charging schemes. How to get free IPs back to RIPE? Just charge some money for each IP. Thats all. If customer don't need IP - he will return back to RIPE and may be we will get 3-5 /8 back to RIPE which we can distribute between members who realy need it.
Source Information from RIPE whois.
Date: 27 July 2012. 01:30
inetnum: 15.0.0.0 - 15.255.255.255 netname: HP-INTERNET descr: Hewlett-Packard Company descr: European Networks Operation country: FR admin-c: VG1212 admin-c: DF5107 tech-c: VG1212 tech-c: DF5107 status: ASSIGNED PI remarks: Country is placeholder only. Real country is US. remarks: Refer to US registries for peering details. remarks: For security incidents reporting please contact : abuse@hp.com mnt-by: AS71-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
person: Dominique Fillon address: Hewlett Packard Europe address: 5, Avenus Raymond Chanas address: Eybens address: Grenoble Cedex 9 address: 38053 address: France phone: +33 4 76 14 17 66 fax-no: +33 4 76 14 69 00 nic-hdl: DF5107 mnt-by: AS71-MNT mnt-by: AS1889-MNT remarks: For security incidents reporting please contact : abuse@hp.com source: RIPE #Filtered
person: Vincent Giles address: Hewlett Packard Europe address: 5, Avenus Raymond Chanas address: Eybens address: Grenoble Cedex 9 address: 38053 address: France phone: +33 4 76 14 64 77 fax-no: +33 4 76 14 69 00 nic-hdl: VG1212 mnt-by: AS71-MNT mnt-by: AS1889-MNT remarks: For security incidents reporting please contact : abuse@hp.com source: RIPE #Filtered
route: 15.0.0.0/8 descr: HP-INTERNET origin: AS71 remarks: From 27th June 1998, no origin in Europe. remarks: Refer to whois.arin.net & whois.ra.net remarks: For security incidents reporting please contact : abuse@hp.com mnt-by: AS71-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
route: 15.0.0.0/8 descr: Hewlett-Packard Company origin: AS7430 mnt-by: AS1889-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
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inetnum: 53.0.0.0 - 53.255.255.255 netname: DAIMLER-NET1 descr: Daimler AG country: DE admin-c: BS4256-RIPE tech-c: BS4256-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PI mnt-by: DAIMLER-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
person: Bernhard Semmler address: Daimler AG address: HPC 0517 address: D-70546 Stuttgart address: Germany phone: +49 711 17 94591 fax-no: +49 711 17 79093478 nic-hdl: BS4256-RIPE mnt-by: DAIMLER-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
route: 53.0.0.0/8 descr: DAIMLER-NET1 origin: AS31399 mnt-by: DAIMLER-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
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inetnum: 51.0.0.0 - 51.255.255.255 netname: UK-DWP descr: UK Government Department for Work and Pensions country: GB org: ORG-DWP1-RIPE admin-c: PW1754-RIPE tech-c: PW1754-RIPE status: EARLY-REGISTRATION mnt-by: DWP-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
organisation: ORG-DWP1-RIPE org-name: UK Government Department for Work and Pensions org-type: OTHER descr: UK Government Department address: 301 Bridgewater Place Birchwood Park Warrington England admin-c: PW1754-RIPE tech-c: PW1754-RIPE mnt-ref: DWP-MNT mnt-by: DWP-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
person: Peter Wightman address: 301 Bridgewater Place Birchwood Park Warrington England org: ORG-DWP1-RIPE phone: +44 1925 845368 nic-hdl: PW1754-RIPE mnt-by: DWP-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
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inetnum: 151.3.0.0 - 151.84.255.255 netname: IT-WIND-LEGACY org: ORG-WTS2-RIPE descr: WIND Telecomunicazioni S.p.A descr: IUnet descr: Via Lorenteggio 257 descr: Milano, I-20100 country: IT admin-c: IIS1-RIPE tech-c: IIS1-RIPE status: EARLY-REGISTRATION mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT mnt-by: AS1267-MNT mnt-lower: AS1267-MNT mnt-routes: AS1267-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
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person: Infostrada Internet Staff address: Infostrada SpA address: Via Lorenteggio 257 address: I-20152 Milano address: Italy phone: +39 02 30115015 nic-hdl: IIS1-RIPE mnt-by: AS1267-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
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inetnum: 163.62.0.0 - 163.116.255.255 netname: EDF-NET05 descr: Electricite de France country: FR admin-c: EDFC1-RIPE tech-c: EDFC2-RIPE org: ORG-EdF1-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PI mnt-by: MNT-EDF mnt-routes: MNT-EDF mnt-domains: MNT-EDF mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT mnt-lower: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT source: RIPE #Filtered
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