Dear Members,
Here is some examples why current charging scheme and new draft is not so good for Members and why we have to move to charging scheme based on count of used IPs.
Case 1. Inetnum: 15.0.0.0/8 (16 777 216 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Hewlett-Packard Company.
a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource
only 50 EUR.
b) See in remarks: "From 27th June 1998, no origin in Europe.". This space must be return to RIPE by current policy.
Case 2. Inetnum: 53.0.0.0/8 (16 777 216 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Daimler AG.
a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource
only 50 EUR.
b) This is not Telecom. Based on report Daimler AG:
http://sustainability.daimler.com/reports/daimler/annual/2012/nb/English/5520/workforce-development.html
WorldWide Workforce: 271370 people. Does Daimler AG reely need real IP for each person?
/8 = 16 777 216 IPs. So for each person in company Daimler AG need 16 777 216 / 271 370 = 64 IPs?
Case 3. Inetnum: 51.0.0.0/8 (16 777 216 IPs ). EARLY-REGISTRATION. UK Government Department for Work and Pensions.
a)
For free (legacy).
b) This network doesn't have any routes.
Case 4. Inetnum:151.3.0.0 - 151.84.255.255 ( 5 373 952 IPs). EARLY-REGISTRATION. WIND Telecomunicazioni S.p.A.
a)
For free (legacy).
Case 5. Inetnum: 163.62.0.0 - 163.116.255.255 ( 3 604 480 IPs ). ASSIGNED PI. Electricite de France.
a) Based on current and new charging scheme RIPE will charge for this resource
only 50 EUR.
b) This network doesn't have any routes.
It is just a small amount of problems which we have right now. We have a lot of free IPs, but we don't use them. /8 for 50 EUR? This is cost of current (and new) charging schemes. How to get free IPs back to RIPE? Just charge some money for each IP. Thats all. If customer don't need IP - he will return back to RIPE and may be we will get 3-5 /8 back to RIPE which we can distribute between members who realy need it.
Source Information from RIPE whois.
Date: 27 July 2012. 01:30
inetnum: 15.0.0.0 - 15.255.255.255
netname: HP-INTERNET
descr: Hewlett-Packard Company
descr: European Networks Operation
country: FR
admin-c: VG1212
admin-c: DF5107
tech-c: VG1212
tech-c: DF5107
status: ASSIGNED PI
remarks: Country is placeholder only. Real country is US.
remarks: Refer to US registries for peering details.
remarks: For security incidents reporting please contact :
abuse@hp.com
mnt-by: AS71-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
person: Dominique Fillon
address: Hewlett Packard Europe
address: 5, Avenus Raymond Chanas
address: Eybens
address: Grenoble Cedex 9
address: 38053
address: France
phone: +33 4 76 14 17 66
fax-no: +33 4 76 14 69 00
nic-hdl: DF5107
mnt-by: AS71-MNT
mnt-by: AS1889-MNT
remarks: For security incidents reporting please contact :
abuse@hp.com
source: RIPE #Filtered
person: Vincent Giles
address: Hewlett Packard Europe
address: 5, Avenus Raymond Chanas
address: Eybens
address: Grenoble Cedex 9
address: 38053
address: France
phone: +33 4 76 14 64 77
fax-no: +33 4 76 14 69 00
nic-hdl: VG1212
mnt-by: AS71-MNT
mnt-by: AS1889-MNT
remarks: For security incidents reporting please contact :
abuse@hp.com
source: RIPE #Filtered
route: 15.0.0.0/8
descr: HP-INTERNET
origin: AS71
remarks: From 27th June 1998, no origin in Europe.
remarks: For security incidents reporting please contact :
abuse@hp.com
mnt-by: AS71-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
route: 15.0.0.0/8
descr: Hewlett-Packard Company
origin: AS7430
mnt-by: AS1889-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
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inetnum: 53.0.0.0 - 53.255.255.255
netname: DAIMLER-NET1
descr: Daimler AG
country: DE
admin-c: BS4256-RIPE
tech-c: BS4256-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PI
mnt-by: DAIMLER-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
person: Bernhard Semmler
address: Daimler AG
address: HPC 0517
address: D-70546 Stuttgart
address: Germany
phone: +49 711 17 94591
fax-no: +49 711 17 79093478
nic-hdl: BS4256-RIPE
mnt-by: DAIMLER-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
route: 53.0.0.0/8
descr: DAIMLER-NET1
origin: AS31399
mnt-by: DAIMLER-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
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inetnum: 51.0.0.0 - 51.255.255.255
netname: UK-DWP
descr: UK Government Department for Work and Pensions
country: GB
org: ORG-DWP1-RIPE
admin-c: PW1754-RIPE
tech-c: PW1754-RIPE
status: EARLY-REGISTRATION
mnt-by: DWP-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
organisation: ORG-DWP1-RIPE
org-name: UK Government Department for Work and Pensions
org-type: OTHER
descr: UK Government Department
address: 301 Bridgewater Place Birchwood Park Warrington England
admin-c: PW1754-RIPE
tech-c: PW1754-RIPE
mnt-ref: DWP-MNT
mnt-by: DWP-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
person: Peter Wightman
address: 301 Bridgewater Place Birchwood Park Warrington England
org: ORG-DWP1-RIPE
phone: +44 1925 845368
nic-hdl: PW1754-RIPE
mnt-by: DWP-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
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inetnum: 151.3.0.0 - 151.84.255.255
netname: IT-WIND-LEGACY
org: ORG-WTS2-RIPE
descr: WIND Telecomunicazioni S.p.A
descr: IUnet
descr: Via Lorenteggio 257
descr: Milano, I-20100
country: IT
admin-c: IIS1-RIPE
tech-c: IIS1-RIPE
status: EARLY-REGISTRATION
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-by: AS1267-MNT
mnt-lower: AS1267-MNT
mnt-routes: AS1267-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
organisation: ORG-WTS2-RIPE
org-name: WIND Telecomunicazioni S.p.A.
org-type: LIR
address: WIND Telecomunicazioni S.p.A. Via Cesare Giulio Viola, 48 00148 Rome Italy
phone: +39 06 8311 6718
fax-no: +39 02 3011 5572
admin-c: FP453-RIPE
admin-c: CL856-RIPE
mnt-ref: WIND-MNT
mnt-ref: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
person: Infostrada Internet Staff
address: Infostrada SpA
address: Via Lorenteggio 257
address: I-20152 Milano
address: Italy
phone: +39 02 30115015
nic-hdl: IIS1-RIPE
mnt-by: AS1267-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
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inetnum: 163.62.0.0 - 163.116.255.255
netname: EDF-NET05
descr: Electricite de France
country: FR
admin-c: EDFC1-RIPE
tech-c: EDFC2-RIPE
org: ORG-EdF1-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PI
mnt-by: MNT-EDF
mnt-routes: MNT-EDF
mnt-domains: MNT-EDF
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT
mnt-lower: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
organisation: ORG-EdF1-RIPE
org-name: Electricite de France Service National
org-type: LIR
address: Electricite de France Service National R&T / ONR 32 avenue Pablo Picasso 92016 Nanterre France
phone: +33 1 78 66 84 73
fax-no: +33 1 78 66 71 02
mnt-ref: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
mnt-ref: MNT-EDF
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT
admin-c: EDFC1-RIPE
admin-c: EDFC2-RIPE
source: RIPE #Filtered
role: EDF LIR Contact1
address: EDF - DIT/R&T/ONR
address: 32, avenue Pablo Picasso
address: 92016 - NANTERRE
address: France
admin-c: EDFA-RIPE
tech-c: EDFT-RIPE
nic-hdl: EDFC1-RIPE
remarks: Contacts for the LIR EDF
mnt-by: MNT-EDF
source: RIPE #Filtered
role: EDF LIR Contact2
address: EDF - DIT/R&T/ONR
address: 32, avenue Pablo Picasso
address: 92016 - NANTERRE
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tech-c: EDFT-RIPE
nic-hdl: EDFC2-RIPE
remarks: Contacts for the LIR EDF
mnt-by: MNT-EDF
source: RIPE #Filtered
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Alexey Ivanov
LeaderTelecom Ltd.