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Russian government blocked 18mln IPs at 20/04/2018
by Juri 30 Apr '18

30 Apr '18

Hello everybody, Short update. Russian authorities block about 18.858 mln IPv4 right now trying to get Telegram messenger down with no success. Life statistics and graphs https://usher2.club/en/ A lot of services where affected. RKN added to block list big IPs block of Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Digital Ocean, Aruba, OVH, Hezner. They started to block popular Europe datacenters. Such things should never happen, Internet should be protected from such issues. Just examples (information from https://t.me/rknshowtime) Blocked subnets: 35.176.0.0/15 - Amazon Data Services UK 51.15.0.0/16 - ONLINE_NET_DEDICATED_SERVERS_NL 18.204.0.0/14 - Amazon Technologies Inc. 91.121.0.0/16 - OVH SAS 46.101.128.0/17 - Digital Ocean, Inc. 185.166.212.0/23 - Clouding.io Virtual Machine Hosting 178.63.0.0/16 - Hetzner Online GmbH 51.136.0.0/15 - Microsoft Limited UK 18.218.0.0/16 - Amazon Technologies Inc. 18.236.0.0/15 - Amazon.com, Inc. 54.64.0.0/13 - Amazon Technologies Inc. 23.251.128.0/19 - Google LLC 174.138.0.0/17 - DigitalOcean, LLC 188.166.0.0/17 - Digital Ocean, Inc. 159.203.0.0/16 - DigitalOcean, LLC 128.199.0.0/16 - DigitalOcean Cloud 159.65.0.0/16 - DigitalOcean, LLC Any blacklisting buy networks is a bad idea. -- Juri +7 (499) 346-76-29

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Russian government blocked 2mln IPs at 16/04/2018
by Juri 24 Apr '18

24 Apr '18

Good time of day! I want to bring up discussion about situation in Internet inside Russian Federation. I find current situation not good for Internet, not good for RIPE community, for ISPs and for progress itself. Short background. Russian government asked Telegram messenger service (like Viber, Watsup, etc, they can be the next) to give them keys of end-to-end encryption between users. Telegram refused to give it because it stands for freedom, constitution rights of people and telegram says it's not possible to give that keys because they don't have it. At least at Friday 13 of April 2018 they blocked websites of Telegram and at Monday 16 they blocked all technical networks of Telegram inside Russian Federation. This Monday was really nice and fun day when users of the Telegram, the most popular messenger application in Russia, started to add VPN/Socks settings to unblock telegram. Telegram users are good in IT and a lot of people keep telegram online and use it. What did Russian government (who keeps using Telegram messenger as well) started to do? Yes, They started to block VPN services that gives free socks5 proxies and VPNs for telegram users. A lot of such services were based on Amazon Cloud. So, at the evening RKN (aka Roskonadzor, advisory of telecom) started to add IPv4 networks in Russian blocklist (= blackhole). Example of networks that were added to Russian blocklist/blackhole Amazone <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T17:35:00+03:00">52.58.0.0/15</ipSubnet> <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T17:47:00+03:00">18.196.0.0/15</ipSubnet> <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T17:47:00+03:00">18.194.0.0/15</ipSubnet> <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T19:57:00+03:00">18.184.0.0/15</ipSubnet> <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T17:47:00+03:00">35.156.0.0/14</ipSubnet> GOOGLE CLOUD <ipSubnet ts="2018-04-16T20:21:00+03:00">35.192.0.0/12</ipSubnet> A lot of businesses were affected even some bank companies, processing and others who where using Amazon services. Amount of small companies affected is very large. Big companies? Apple services were affected too as I found. A lot of application use Amazon cloud. Just for info. Some time ago Russian gov wanted to integrate blackhole based on BGP (and that's bring up the question about whole internet stability). Because they break local internet time to time. You can track amount of IPs in blocklist monitoring at https://2018.schors.spb.ru/ A lot of news web sites write about this situation. Сonclusion. I don't find this situation suitable for any country. I know and fully understand that it's not easy to find consensus in discussions of such things. But I wish and I want community think about such issues. They should not happen in any country. We are as RIPE community are responsible for Internet stability and safety and making this Internet better. I want RIPE community offer how we should protect normal internet users of all countries from unintelligent, irrational and very bad behavior of local authorities. I think it's not good idea to assign any IPs for such authorities. Consensus should be found. -- Juri NTX Hosting

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
by Sergey Myasoedov 17 Apr '18

17 Apr '18

Dear Axel, Thank you for publishing the reports. It's very nice to put 7.5 MEur of opex as 'Internal' as mentioned on the page 7 of the Annual Report, but this amount is 1/3 of total opex. Can this amount be explained? -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov You wrote Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 4:08:43 PM: > Dear RIPE NCC members, > The following important documents are now online: > - RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 > - RIPE NCC Financial Report 2017 > - RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019 > All three are supporting documents for the RIPE NCC General Meeting > (GM), which takes place from 16-18 May 2018. Members will vote to > approve the Financial Report and the Charging Scheme at the GM. > The full list of supporting documents is available at: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/supporting-d… > If you have any feedback, please email <agm(a)ripe.net>. > We ask all RIPE NCC members to register for the GM so they can vote on > these documents, as well as in the Executive Board elections that will > take place at the GM. Full remote participation is possible for those > who cannot attend the meeting in Marseille. > We previously announced that publication of these documents would take > place on 4 April. We apologise for the delay. > All information on the GM, including the draft agenda and how to > register to participate remotely, is included on the GM homepage: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2018/ > Best regards, > Axel Pawlik > Managing Director > RIPE NCC -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
by "R. Engür Pişirici" 13 Apr '18

13 Apr '18

and... please stop acting like a child... it can be easily related person/ip addr. so, stop pretending someone else and stop trying to unsubscribe mailing list with fake information. as we all know that, this behaviour violates ripeNcc rules and it is against laws. Best Regards, -engur > On 13 Apr 2018, at 17:09, Ercan Ermis <ercan(a)vargonen.com> wrote: > > Hello All, > > These emails are started to annoying but it is okay. Here is the tip for this endless conversation; if you like to read all things create a rule for your Inbox health and move the email automatically. If you do not give a fuck just create a rule for auto deletion. > > And please stop the talking political science because you are not a politician. Who want to war on thıs lovely planet? We have to work for a better internet and services, that’s it. > > Greetings from Turkey. > Ercan Ermiş > [root@vargonen ~]# > Linux System Administrator > Vargonen Teknoloji ve Bilişim Sanayi Ticaret A.Ş. > Ankara Caddesi No:81 | Bayraklı Tower Kat :19 |Bayraklı | Izmir > ercan(a)vargonen.com | +90 850 660 00 99 > > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Bunea TELECOM > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:02 PM > To: Engür Rıza Pişirici <engur(a)bilkent.edu.tr> > Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019 > > Oh, I’m sorry, but this discussion is really out of hand. Are you talking about moving RIPE offices because of lower costs in certain parts of the world ? I think this is insane to even bring to subject such matters. > Ripe is based in Netherlands, one of the best and most respected countries on Earth, and it should remain there. Proposing to move RIPE or even propose for RIPE to open offices in parts of the world that are politically, military and economically unstable (like Turkey or Russia) is simply BS. > Even in my country, with a socialist Government we have political and economical uncertainties just about every other week. > > To be honest, the only place I would RIPE to open offices any time soon is in London, which is one of the financial and IT capitals of the EU (so far). The entire world really needs to be focused on the West in every aspect possible, rather than heading East. > > Sincerely, > — > > > <image001.jpg> > > > > > Petru Bunea / CEO > suport(a)bunea.eu / +40752481282 > Bunea TELECOM / DATACENTER / APP DEVELOPMENT > http://www.bunea.eu / +40745495495 > > > On 13 Apr 2018, at 12:23, Engür Rıza Pişirici <engur(a)bilkent.edu.tr> wrote: > > Hello All, > > Istanbul might be good idea if RIPE NCC really want to move some parts of their office to Eastern Europe. > > Best Regards, > > -engur > tr.bilkent > > > On 12 Apr 2018, at 22:35, Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > So what do you think about moving a part of the office of the RIPE to Eastern Europe (registration services, customer services, technicians), and leaving the management in the Netherlands? This will reduce spending for electricity, wages, taxes, and, consequently, membership fees. > > чт, 12 Апр 2018 г., 21:41 Gert Doering <gert(a)space.net>: > Hi, > > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 01:09:47PM +0300, Juri wrote: > > Gerg, please don't move away point of main question. > > All those things should be discussed separately. > > As people join the NCC *only* because it's cheaper to get an IPv4 /22 > that way, and not for any other reason (like, IPv6, or voting rights, > or "because they want to be part of the Internet community") - as long > as this is (quite visibly) happening, you cannot separate resource > consumption from fee structure. > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/aleksbulgakov%40gmai… > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/engur%40bilkent.edu.… > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/suport%40bunea.eu >

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Re: [members-discuss] List of countries and corresponding RIRs
by Sergey S. 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

William, I'd like to see the same information given here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/internet-governance/internet-technical-com…, but in a format one can parse. On 03/05/2018 02:03 PM, w(a)william.co.il wrote: > Ho do you define "corresponding"? > Eg. A LOT of LIRs are incorporated in UK but do not use any space > there, or even have any business there. > I am not even incorporated in Europe, yet use all my space there. > > > -- > William > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 10:29, Sergey S. <gforgx(a)fotontel.ru> wrote: > > Hi! > > RIPE NCC publishes the list of countries and corresponding RIRs here: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/internet-governance/internet-technical-com…. > > Unfortunately, it's an HTML page and not a plain text/CSV/JSON/XML > (or > any other format one can parse automatically). Does IANA (or any > other > body) publish it this way? Actually, what would be the proper way > to map > a country (or country code) to the respective RIR? > > Thank you! > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/william%40william.si >

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List of countries and corresponding RIRs
by Sergey S. 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

Hi! RIPE NCC publishes the list of countries and corresponding RIRs here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/internet-governance/internet-technical-com…. Unfortunately, it's an HTML page and not a plain text/CSV/JSON/XML (or any other format one can parse automatically). Does IANA (or any other body) publish it this way? Actually, what would be the proper way to map a country (or country code) to the respective RIR? Thank you!

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Improvements to the members-discuss Mailing List
by Fergal Cunningham 09 Feb '18

09 Feb '18

Dear RIPE NCC members, The members-discuss mailing list is the main forum for members to discuss issues of importance for the membership among themselves. However, subscribed members have increasingly experienced problems when many people requested to unsubscribe on the list, resulting in unwanted email for all subscribers. In response to requests to address this issue, we have made improvements to the subscribe and unsubscribe options for the RIPE NCC Membership Discussion mailing list. A summary of the changes is as follows: Subscribing - Subscription to the list is carried out in the usual way via the Subscribed Mailing Lists section in https://my.ripe.net. - All members who subscribe to members-discuss will receive an email asking them to confirm their subscription. Once members confirm subscription, they will receive a welcome email with a password and instructions on how to unsubscribe. - The option to subscribe has been removed from the New LIR sign-up process. Instead, members receive an email six months after activation informing them of their full member status and how to join the members discuss list. Unsubscribing Members can now unsubscribe from the list in three ways: - By clicking a personalised unsubscribe link that appears in the footer of emails they receive from the members-discuss list. You will need to use the password you received when subscribing (a forgot password functionality is available). The personalised link will also show the email address that you are subscribed to the list with. This will help to address issues with people subscribed via a role account or alias. - By sending an email to members-discuss(a)ripe.net with the subject "unsubscribe". - Unsubscribing from the list is possible in the usual way via the Subscribed Mailing Lists section in https://my.ripe.net. Members will receive an email asking them to confirm unsubscription. The members-discuss list is currently moderated but we plan to remove moderation shortly. If you have any questions about the changes, please let me know. Kind regards, Fergal Cunningham Membership Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Correction: Improvements to the members-discuss mailing list
by Fergal Cunningham 08 Feb '18

08 Feb '18

Dear colleagues, Apologies - there was an error in the email announcing changes to the members-discuss mailing list: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2018-February/00270… The correct email address that you can use to unsubscribe using the subject “unsubscribe” is members-discuss-request(a)ripe.net. Please note that this option will only work if you send the email from the email with which you are subscribed to the list. I apologise again for the inconvenience. Best regards, Fergal Cunningham Membership Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Email issues with RIPE NCC for new LIRs
by Staff 09 Nov '17

09 Nov '17

Dear all! I would like to bring one new issue with RIPE NCC to public. This situation mostly rely on new members and new LIRs. RIPE NCC started to censor email names and filter them as much as they want. And that also depends from RIPE NCC staff that take a ticket. This makes delays in ticket processing because we spend about 1-2 weeks already for new company LIRs because RIPE NCC staff refuse to continue until they see the email name they like and we have to create email by email so they like it I found this completely inconvenient, useful and unfriendly. This situation should be changed. Last months RIPE NCC changed a lot of things in the usual work and become harder to do simplest things with RIPE NCC staff. Currently RIPE stopped to accept my personal email that I use for almost 10 years. This email contains from one symbol in it's name. Please see some examples ------- In order for our Registration Department to be able to process resources requests, LIRs must first have a personal SSO account. Generic role SSO accounts such as info(a)ripe.net etc. cannot be accepted. We require a personal SSO account such as: Johnsmith(a)ripe.net for example. The email provided 1(a)ntx.ru cannot be accepted. ... Nicole Castaibert (RIPE NCC Support) --------- All nicknames, short names, names of the company in email also not accepted by RIPE NCC anymore. So we have to create new emails and use new emails with some name in it. But the main useless of all of that - that new LIR can change registration account email after LIR registration done. So this all they require is useless. That takes my time, time of my staff, time of RIPE NCC staff that get paid from LIR members fees. I found that RIPE NCC work does not comply with the proper quality standards and not members oriented. -- Jury Bogdanov NOC/Hostmaster +7 (499) 346-76-29

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Database Abuse
by Tim Armstrong 07 Sep '17

07 Sep '17

Hi all, Every so often this issue crops up it's ugly head again, RIPE DB abuse is a real problem. Yet again we are receiving unsolicited sales pitches via an e-mail address we only use for the contact details in our RIPE DB entries. We've all seen it; people offering to buy IPv4 blocks, people offering to sell IPv4 blocks, DDoS filtering, etc. It's a plague of poorly constructed pitches for services none of us want to waste time reading about. If we want such products, we all know how find them, and yet the e-mails don't stop coming. I am not one for publicly shaming other members of the community, but if it doesn't stop, I don't see how I have a choice. They need to learn that database abuse leads to boycott. The database is an operations tool for de-bugging and reporting issues & abuse; not a sales team's list of "potential leads". I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing structural we can do about this? At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB, instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse / complaint contact, not a sales opportunity. Thanks, Tim. -- *Tim Armstrong*Dark Lord of Network Operations +31 6 175 444 72 <+31617544472>

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