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Board elections voting report
by Töma Gavrichenkov 15 May '20

15 May '20

Peace, This is not a complaint, but I just wonder why it usually takes around a week for the NCC to publish the voting report. That's just an export from some database, right? Why doesn't it just show up right after the elections end? -- Töma

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Re: [members-discuss] Board elections voting report
by Terrence Koeman 15 May '20

15 May '20

You can find it here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/voting-report -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, 15 May 2020 16:20 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] Board elections voting report > Peace, > > This is not a complaint, but I just wonder why it usually takes around > a week for the NCC to publish the voting report. That's just an > export from some database, right? Why doesn't it just show up right > after the elections end? > > -- > Töma > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/terrence%40darkness-…

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FW: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Terrence Koeman 13 May '20

13 May '20

I believe the below message (posted to the NANOG list) and news article linked therein is of concern to RIPE members, especially those that are voting. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:51 To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE. > > Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will > be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from > now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats. > > I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for > the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal > counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a > block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" > historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been > legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. > (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, > trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, > and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against > this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.) > > Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you > be the judge. > > In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all > know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a > number of additional startling facts relating to the people who > nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as > documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen: > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-… > > I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned > in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, > so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now > it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely > available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, > IMHO. > > > Regards, > rfg > > > P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained > from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either > partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will > refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least > note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when > people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, > focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and > their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, > persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate > regularity, obtain it. > > I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with > personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those > responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, > however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- > order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for > those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you > consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, > this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, > and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default > or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them > personally, to the exclusion of all else. > > P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the > very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a > due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, > due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list > transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched > to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of > the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board > election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, > are now entirely off-limits. > > I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, > not too long ago: > > "Democracy dies in darkness." > -- anon

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Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate
by Terrence Koeman 13 May '20

13 May '20

First of all, RIPE doesn't own the IP addresses allocated to it. Why would you just assume they do? Somehow you've decided that RIPE owns the IP ranges and we (LIRs) just get to borrow them from RIPE and therefore leasing a legitimately acquired block to someone else that needs it is forbidden or something. All that is completely false. Please educate yourself by reading the relevant policies before doling out wrong advice and unnecessarily burdening RIPE with your emails (which is probably why they ignore or trash them). -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: "Stuart Willet (primary)" <stu(a)safehosts.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 06:15 To: Bill Lewis; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate > I have a default reply for these... > > Hi, > > If you have unused IPv4 it should be returned to the pool. > RIPE own the IP addresses, not you. > > I have informed RIPE of your position. > > Best regards, > > > I then forward the email off to RIPE. > Nothing ever seems to happen though, which is odd given that RIPE are the actual owners of the IP addresses it should be simple for them to reclaim any listed as for sale or lease? > > > Best, > > Stuart Willet > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis > Sent: 08 May 2020 19:59 > To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate > > Hi, > > Not getting this at least but have had an email from a company that leases IP4 space, sent to the email address used for our Ripe account (not on any of our IP records). > > Apparently has /22 blocks they would like to rent out, surely unused blocks should be in Ripe's hands, not profiteers? > > just a thought and how they gained the email address too. Anybody else had this? > > Bill > > On 08/05/2020 07:53, Benjamin Collet wrote: > > On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 08:57:28AM +0200, Clement Cavadore wrote: > >> I have received multiple times (to many of the LIRs I manage contact > >> emails), this night, an e-mail coming from a RIPE NCC Board > >> candidate, who promotes his candidacy. Be his candidacy admissible > >> and decent or not, is not the point. But, is that kind of mass-mailing correct ? > > I also got this email (have a guess whom it was from…). I believe this > > kind of mass-mailing is in direct violation of article 4 - section 4 > > of RIPE DB terms and conditions > > (https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/support/documentation/terms). > > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40metroswitch.c… > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/terrence%40darkness-…

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Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate
by Terrence Koeman 13 May '20

13 May '20

Since ipv4 will run out one way or another, the short version is that RIPE/membership has decided not to waste resources aggressively reclaiming ipv4 (and only stay certain execution a short time), but to put those towards getting ipv6 adopted. Ipv4 is left to the market (the profiteers), so buying/selling & renting/leasing space one has acquired legitimately is allowed. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Bill Lewis <Bill.lewis(a)kijoma.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 05:11 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate > Hi, > > Not getting this at least but have had an email from a company that leases IP4 space, sent to the email address used for our Ripe account (not on any of our IP records). > > Apparently has /22 blocks they would like to rent out, surely unused blocks should be in Ripe's hands, not profiteers? > > just a thought and how they gained the email address too. Anybody else had this? > > Bill > > On 08/05/2020 07:53, Benjamin Collet wrote: > > On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 08:57:28AM +0200, Clement Cavadore wrote: > >> I have received multiple times (to many of the LIRs I manage contact > >> emails), this night, an e-mail coming from a RIPE NCC Board candidate, > >> who promotes his candidacy. Be his candidacy admissible and decent or > >> not, is not the point. But, is that kind of mass-mailing correct ? > > I also got this email (have a guess whom it was from…). I believe this > > kind of mass-mailing is in direct violation of article 4 - section 4 of > > RIPE DB terms and conditions > > (https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/support/documentation/terms). > > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/terrence%40darkness-…

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Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate
by Stuart Willet (primary) 11 May '20

11 May '20

I have a default reply for these... Hi, If you have unused IPv4 it should be returned to the pool. RIPE own the IP addresses, not you. I have informed RIPE of your position. Best regards, I then forward the email off to RIPE. Nothing ever seems to happen though, which is odd given that RIPE are the actual owners of the IP addresses it should be simple for them to reclaim any listed as for sale or lease? Best, Stuart Willet -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis Sent: 08 May 2020 19:59 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate Hi, Not getting this at least but have had an email from a company that leases IP4 space, sent to the email address used for our Ripe account (not on any of our IP records). Apparently has /22 blocks they would like to rent out, surely unused blocks should be in Ripe's hands, not profiteers? just a thought and how they gained the email address too. Anybody else had this? Bill On 08/05/2020 07:53, Benjamin Collet wrote: > On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 08:57:28AM +0200, Clement Cavadore wrote: >> I have received multiple times (to many of the LIRs I manage contact >> emails), this night, an e-mail coming from a RIPE NCC Board >> candidate, who promotes his candidacy. Be his candidacy admissible >> and decent or not, is not the point. But, is that kind of mass-mailing correct ? > I also got this email (have a guess whom it was from…). I believe this > kind of mass-mailing is in direct violation of article 4 - section 4 > of RIPE DB terms and conditions > (https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/support/documentation/terms). > _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40metroswitch.c…

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Re: [members-discuss] Placing Members-Discuss in Moderation
by Terrence Koeman 11 May '20

11 May '20

"freedom of expression" and not having "censorship" are not just legal issues restraining governments, but principles that we should strive for at any level of communication in a free society. That "most counties" have places limits on it is in no way an argument for whether it's a good idea to do so by governments or elsewhere (nor of whether they had the right to do it or if even had the intended effect). That there is no legal right to not be censored "on some mailinglist" (by RIPE or anyone else) doesn't mean there's not a moral right or that it isn't a good idea in general to allow maximum free expression. Consider that the fact that Elad had the opportunity to show us all what kind of person he is almost certainly caused people (including me) to register to vote to prevent him from getting any kind of power in RIPE. This is free expression directly leading to more democracy, the fact that some people may have been annoyed, offended or hurt doesn't, in my opinion, weigh up to that result at all. Reacting to free expression functioning as intended by applying censorship is the exact wrong thing to do, both morally and practically. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian.wiesinger(a)noris.net> Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2020 17:33 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Placing Members-Discuss in Moderation > > > > On 4. May 2020, at 10:06, Chris Izzard <chris.izzard(a)imcisland.is> wrote: > > > > Dear Piotr, > > Reading this it sounds great at first but whatever you do to stop such huge email chains will always look like censorship whatever you like to call it. Such email lists do depend on the behaviour of everyone to follow a code but in practice this is usually not 100% possible. > > Yes it seemed that the email list was mostly in favour of censoring one person but the reality is that the vast majority just watched on and said nothing. In practice censoring damages the democratic credentials of this group because a small number of people have made the decision to do this and an even smaller number of people will police it. > > This action has put the Executive Board in a dangerous position open to all kinds of criticism and the email chain contained some pretty bad claims like Anti-Semitism. > > > > Hello, > > I see no dangerous position right now. > > 1) The moderation is for a limited time > 2) You can still see all moderated mails at https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/ <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/> so there is no censorship > 3) Multiple calls to adhere to the code of conduct and the topic of the mailinglist were completely ignored on purpose (in my opinion with malicious intent) > 4) The "small group of people" is the executive board that we democratically voted on, so I don't see how this is undemocratic. I would even say this is exactly the type of issue that the board should decide > > On the contrary I (and expect other people) did not say anything as to not contribute to the flood of mails. I'm very grateful that this list is now moderated and I hope that this can be lifted after the election. > > Also, just make to make it clear: "freedom of expression" should prevent the government from censoring you, it does not prevent you from getting moderated on some mailinglist. On the contrary most countries have rules that limit freedom of expression and this mailinglist has rules as well. > > > Best Regards > > Sebastian > >

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Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate
by Clement Cavadore 10 May '20

10 May '20

Fellow members, I have received multiple times (to many of the LIRs I manage contact emails), this night, an e-mail coming from a RIPE NCC Board candidate, who promotes his candidacy. Be his candidacy admissible and decent or not, is not the point. But, is that kind of mass-mailing correct ? Is there an abuse contact for such a behaviour ? Thanks ! -- Clément Cavadore

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Placing Members-Discuss in Moderation
by Piotr Strzyżewski 08 May '20

08 May '20

Dear members, Today, the Executive Board held a formal meeting in order to officially resolve the appointment of Hans Petter Holen as Managing Director of the RIPE NCC. In light of recent activity on the members-discuss mailing list, we also resolved to place the members-discuss mailing list in moderation until 1 June. This follows numerous complaints that have been made about mails that are off-topic and/or contain material that does not show tolerance or respect for fellow members of the list. The resolution and accompanying text is contained in the draft minutes: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2020/minutes-134th-ex… With this resolution, the principles of the RIPE Mailing List/RIPE Forum Code of Conduct will be applied to the members-discuss list. Emails that do not meet the requirements of that code of conduct will not be approved to be posted to the list. Mails that do not meet the intended purpose of providing members with a means to discuss membership issues among themselves will also not be approved to be posted to the list. The moderators of the list will be the Executive Board Secretary and one senior member of RIPE NCC staff. Mails will be moderated during office hours. A separate archive of all mails including those rejected by the moderators is available for all members to view should they wish to do so: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/ The Board is obviously aware that there is an election taking place at the General Meeting and there are also matters of importance to discuss such as the RIPE NCC Financial Report 2019 and the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2021. We are determined to ensure that we remain neutral in facilitating this membership discussion list, and we also hope that members will abide by the purpose of the list and the principles of the code of conduct. Regards, Piotr Strzyżewski RIPE NCC Executive Board Secretary

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Technical solution to resolve ELAD-19 related spam and harassment in mailboxes
by Dominic Schallert 01 May '20

01 May '20

Dear community, today I want to present you with our technical solution to prevent ELAD-19 related spam and harassment from flooding inboxes. This technical solution is minimal invasive and can be implemented on all mail servers running spamassassin with ease. Please find the following spamassassin header and body rules below: header SC_HEADER_100 From =~ /Elad Cohen/ describe SC_HEADER_100 ELAD-19 Campagin score SC_HEADER_100 100 header SC_HEADER_101 From =~ /elad\(a)netstyle.io/ describe SC_HEADER_101 ELAD-19 Campagin score SC_HEADER_101 100 body SC_BODY_102 /Elad Cohen/i describe SC_BODY_102 ELAD-19 Campagin score SC_BODY_102 100 While I really appreciate encouraged people coming up with innovative ideas and proposals within the network operators community, this particular discussion including repeated harassment against members of the community - from my personal point of view - is just not the culture we should establish within this community. Please note that the solution presented above is just our new way of dealing with this matter, it’s neither a proposal nor a recommendation for others. All the best and wish you a happy (and hopefully spam free) weekend!

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