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RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Report Now Available
by Christian Kaufmann 18 Sep '20

18 Sep '20

Dear members, The RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force assembled in July in order to carry out a full evaluation of our Executive Board nomination and election process. The task force has since shared its report with my fellow board members and I, and we are glad to announce that we fully support all nine of the recommendations they have made for improving the existing processes. The final report is now available on the RIPE NCC website as a supporting document for our October GM, which will take place from 28-30 October adjacent to the RIPE 81 meeting. There will be a presentation on the report during the GM, and members will also have a chance to vote on changes to the RIPE NCC Articles of Association that are necessary if the recommendations are to be implemented. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/october-2020/supporti… The task force has carried out its objective swiftly and diligently. On behalf of the board, I would like to express our sincere appreciation for the work done by each of the eight members of the task force in such a short amount of time: Erik Bais Randy Bush Carlos Friaças Töma Gavrichenkov Sergey Myasoedov (Task Force Chair) Arnold Nipper Cynthia Revström Jan Žorž We look forward to discussing this topic further with all RIPE NCC members at the October GM. Kind regards, Christian Kaufmann RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Register for the RIPE NCC General Meeting October 2020
by Sergey Myasoedov 03 Sep '20

03 Sep '20

Dear Hans Petter, There are some confusing dates in your message: > Important Dates and Deadlines > 2 Sep - Invitation to register for GM and voting > 30 Sep - GM documents published > 14 Oct - Deadline for proxy vote nominations > 14 Oct - Deadline for members to propose resolutions > 14 Oct - Deadline to publish final agenda > 28 Oct - GM begins with main meeting (18:00 UTC+1) RIPE-739, AoA: 15.1 The Executive Board shall send the convocations for the General Meeting, including the agenda containing the subjects for the General Meeting, a URL to the verbatim text of the proposed resolutions and, if applicable, the draft Activity Plan and draft budget, to the Members at least _four_weeks_ before the Meeting... As far as I understand, the agenda and resolutions should be published by 28 September, is this correct? Thanks. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov You wrote Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 10:37:01 AM: > Dear colleagues, > On behalf of our Executive Board, I invite you to register for the RIPE > NCC General Meeting (GM) October 2020. > You can register to participate and vote at: > https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-oct-2020 > The GM will take place from 28-30 October 2020 online, adjacent to the > RIPE 81 meeting. To participate you can follow the GM via livestream, > participate via chat and vote on resolutions electronically. > The GM gives members an opportunity to discuss the operations and > activities of the RIPE NCC. At the upcoming GM, we invite you to > discuss, among other things: > - The Draft RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2021 > - Redistribution of the RIPE NCC surplus/deficit to the membership (to > be voted on) > - Reports from the RIPE NCC Executive Board and RIPE NCC Management > All supporting documents will be posted and announced to the membership > by 30 September 2020. > Registration for electronic voting will remain open until 16:00 local > time (UTC+1) on the day of the GM, 28 October 2020. > All information on how to participate, including the proxy voting form, > is available from: > https://ripe.net/gm/oct-2020 > If you have questions about the GM, please email us at agm(a)ripe.net. > Kind regards, > Hans Petter Holen > Managing Director > RIPE NCC > Important Dates and Deadlines > 2 Sep - Invitation to register for GM and voting > 30 Sep - GM documents published > 14 Oct - Deadline for proxy vote nominations > 14 Oct - Deadline for members to propose resolutions > 14 Oct - Deadline to publish final agenda > 28 Oct - GM begins with main meeting (18:00 UTC+1) > 30 Oct - GM closes with announcement of voting results (10:45 UTC+1)

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Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation
by Elad Cohen 27 Jul '20

27 Jul '20

Mr. Doering, The actual voters are reflecting the whole RIPE community, hence nearly 4000 members are supporting me. And I did receive more votes than the initial votes of the elected #3 and only because the voting system that elected #1 can ask his voters who to support in the next seats, the elected #3 was elected. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Gert Doering Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:01 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Andrei Banu; members-discuss(a)ripe.net; exec-board(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation Hi, On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:54:46AM +0000, Elad Cohen wrote: > Andrei, I received 15% of the total votes, which are reflecting 15% of the > total members in the RIPE community, approximately 4000 members. 15% of the votes registered. Since not all members voted, this is WAY less than "4000 members supporting you". (I tried to stay out of this, but this is factually wrong and gives the impression that there is large support for Mr. Cohen, which there wasn't. Some protest voters always vote "against the regime!", and of course they are free to do so) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279

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Fw: RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 27 Jul '20

27 Jul '20

If a majority in a task force can decide to dismiss one of the task force members then a task force will never be diverse. This is exactly what happened here, a majority of people that know themselves well before the task force decided which task force members they want and which they don't want. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:59 PM To: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa(a)net-art.cz>; Cynthia Revström <me(a)cynthia.re> Cc: Arnold Nipper <arnold.nipper(a)de-cix.net>; Carlos Friaças <cfriacas(a)fccn.pt>; Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan(a)go6.si>; Erik Bais <erik(a)bais.name>; Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com>; Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com>; remco van mook <remco.vanmook(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Of course, that task force was only created to prevent my nomination in the next elections, thank you for proving it. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa(a)net-art.cz> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:50 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io>; Cynthia Revström <me(a)cynthia.re> Cc: Arnold Nipper <arnold.nipper(a)de-cix.net>; Carlos Friaças <cfriacas(a)fccn.pt>; Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan(a)go6.si>; Erik Bais <erik(a)bais.name>; Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com>; Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com>; kaa(a)net-art.cz <kaa(a)net-art.cz>; remco van mook <remco.vanmook(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Dear colleagues, The EB Election Task force has been established on Monday, and it took about a day to understand that at least half of the TF members prefer not to be in the same group with Elad Cohen. It was not clearly stated – we just didn’t have enough time for this – but everyone was expected to follow the Code of Conduct for RIPE Meetings. However, Elad clearly said that he is not following the CoC. The Task Force is expected to produce an useful output for the Executive Board and to help clarify the RIPE NCC election procedures. We have a short time to organise several meetings and exchange opinions. Developing and accepting our own CoC means stealing time from ourselves. We should be able to behave in a small group without a rules written in stone. And the Task Force should be a place for a comfortable work, not for fight and defense. I am sorry that this wasn’t true in the very beginning of our work. I would like to prevent resignations from the Task Force. The TF members should not feel any fears and threats caused by any other TF member. And all this above and the motion from the TF members for removal led me to a decision to dismiss Elad Cohen from the RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force, effective immediately. With Best Regards, Sergey Myasoedov RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Chair

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Re: [members-discuss] Administrative procedures within RIPE NCC: Any way to soften it ?
by Athina Fragkouli 25 Jul '20

25 Jul '20

Dear Clement, all Thank you for sharing your concerns and apologies for the late reply. We recognise that providing documentation can take a lot of time and keeps you from your real work. However, we need to be clear on exactly who the resource holder is - to prevent hijacks as you note, but also to avoid legal disputes over the resources in the future. This is a risk when company structures are changing or companies are being spun off, and untangling this to see what is actually changing is not always straightforward. Our transfer procedure was updated after a board resolution in 2016 which stated that all transfers, including mergers and acquisitions, must follow the RIPE transfer policy unless supported by documentation from a national authority[1]. This closed a well-known and abused loophole that members were using to transfer resources outside of the policy. The other important point to note here is that under Dutch law, memberships are not transferrable. What we therefore need to establish in these cases is whether a separate legal entity is receiving the resources. If this is indeed what's happening, they will need to become a member. This is because a non-member cannot receive resources and they are not able to assume the membership of the company they are getting the resources from. Of course, if the receiving party is already a member, they will not have to open an additional membership to acquire the resources. Finally, it is worth noting that we have invested quite a lot of effort into improving our due diligence processes. We have recently developed an approach that should ease a lot of the burden for members in terms of documentation. We will share some more details about this in the near future. Regards Athina Fragkouli Chief Legal Officer RIPE NCC [1] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Decisions and Next Steps: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2016-April/001031.html

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EB Election Task Force and Moderating members-discuss
by Christian Kaufmann 24 Jul '20

24 Jul '20

Dear members, I would like to first address the issues around the Executive Board Election Task Force. We decided to appoint all those who volunteered for the task force. We did so to be as inclusive as possible and to ensure a wide variety of views from as diverse a group of people as possible. The board has no issues with any views regarding the election process, and it is right to give people the benefit of the doubt. However, behaviour on the mailing list and on the task force must adhere to the RIPE Mailing List/RIPE Forum Code of Conduct, which is available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/ripe-mailing-list-ripe-forum-code-of-… The board has delegated to the task force and its chair the powers to warn and if necessary remove members of the task force who do not adhere to the code of conduct. I also regret to inform you that the Executive Board has decided to again place the members-discuss mailing list in moderation. We had hoped that lifting moderation outside an election campaign would be possible, but this has proven not to be the case. Moderation will remain in place at least until the next RIPE Meeting takes place. Emails will not be approved to be posted to the list that do not meet the requirements of the code of conduct or that do not meet the intended purpose of providing members with a means to discuss membership issues among themselves. The moderators of the list will be one member of the Executive Board and one member of RIPE NCC staff. Mails will be moderated during office hours. A separate archive of all mails including those rejected by the moderators will be available for transparency at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/ Regards, Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC

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Unmoderated List on RIPE NCC Website
by Christian Kaufmann 23 Jul '20

23 Jul '20

Dear all, The unmoderated version of this mailing list is now located on the RIPE NCC website with the other membership mailing lists: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/ripe-ncc-mailing-lists Regards, Christian Kaufmann RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman

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Follow-up on Moderation of Mailing List
by Christian Kaufmann 23 Jul '20

23 Jul '20

Dear members, This week, the Executive Board placed members-discuss into moderation. We subsequently removed several messages from the archives that contained incredibly explicit, discriminating and abhorrent content. Further, these mails were impersonating representatives of RIPE NCC members and were clearly intended to be harmful to them. These mails breached the code of conduct that we expect members to follow on the mailing list on many levels. We therefore took the unprecedented step of removing the content of these mails and marked them as [Moderated] in the archives. I sincerely hope this is the last time we need to take such actions. I believe we can all agree that the behaviour that warranted the measures taken yesterday was not something we want to see again. I ask you to be civil in your discourse, to avoid aggravating fellow members and member representatives, and above all to treat each other with the respect that we deserve. Our membership plays an extremely important role in advancing the Internet in our part of the world. Let us remember that we can do this much more effectively when we work together to solve our disagreements positively and constructively. Regards, Christian Kaufmann RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman

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Request to put Members-discuss in moderation
by Erik Bais 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais

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Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation
by Misak Khachatryan 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

-1 Why you just not ignore him? Why you all feeding the troll? He just replies to any email, just don't reply. Moderation is just a capitulation and sign of community weakness. Best regards, Misak Khachatryan, On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:48 PM Hamed Shafaghi <hamed(a)mihantelecom.com<mailto:hamed@mihantelecom.com>> wrote: +1 | Hamed Shafaghi | On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:22 PM Erik Bais <ebais(a)a2b-internet.com<mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com>> wrote: Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hamed%40mihantelecom…

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