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by jeroen van Veen 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Maarten Dammers Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:54 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] How to unsubscribe To unsubscribe: mailto:members-discuss-request@ripe.net?subject=unsubscribe (unless RIPE hacked mailman) Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards, Maarten Dammers Netwerk Expert From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of techno zone Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:48 To: Twana Othman Cc: RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator; RIPE NCC Hostmaster; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please remove my email from the discussion email list On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Twana Othman <twana.othman(a)tishknet.com> wrote: Dears, Please my email as well. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah

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How to unsubscribe
by Maarten Dammers 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

To unsubscribe: mailto:members-discuss-request@ripe.net?subject=unsubscribe (unless RIPE hacked mailman) Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards, Maarten Dammers Netwerk Expert From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of techno zone Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:48 To: Twana Othman Cc: RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator; RIPE NCC Hostmaster; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please remove my email from the discussion email list On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Twana Othman <twana.othman(a)tishknet.com<mailto:twana.othman@tishknet.com>> wrote: Dears, Please my email as well. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Markus 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Am 17.02.2016 um 16:15 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > Hi Markus, > > Yes you are correct. > Space allocated to us by other LIR`s. > Like already said we reported this to the ripe consultant who came to > Bucharest. > I explained for over 2 hour this issue to him. > The report is here : > https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/surveys/ripe-ncc-consultatio > ns-report-2015 > But it does not convey the gravity of the situation. > Like i said to the consultant, ripe ncc never notified an end user and told > him that the lir can take the allocated space back. Thanks for explaining.

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Silviu Vladuti 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Hello I have the same problem! In Romania are 2 companies S.C. GVM SISTEM 2003 S.R.L. IPv4 Management SRL -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Claudiu Foleanu Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:45 PM To: 'Markus' <universe(a)truemetal.org>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have > the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...] can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Markus 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Am 17.02.2016 um 15:45 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user > contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this > the resources are sold. [...] So for some Romanian LIRs it is more profitable to sell the space an end customer has than to keep the customer? About the /22: You are a LIR yourself, does that mean you are talking about address space that was assigned to you from another LIR respectively from a time long ago when you yet weren't a LIR? Just trying to understand the issue. Thank you, Markus

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Anthony Somerset 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

surely your solution would be to get your own LIR rather than “rent” from another if you need that much space? Anthony Somerset, Technical Director, w: cloudunboxed.net <http://www.cloudunboxed.net/> | e: anthony.somerset(a)cloudunboxed.net <mailto:anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net> | t: +44 (0)33 0088 2444 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressed individual or entity only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then discard this e-mail. Unauthorized copying, sharing and distributing of this e-mail is prohibited. The content in this e-mail does not necessarily represent the views of the company. The addressee should check all attachments for malware; the company makes no representation as regards the absence of malware in attachments to this e-mail. > On 17 Feb,2016, at 16:45, Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu(a)thorpanel.com> wrote: > > Hi Markus, > > The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user > contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this > the resources are sold. > It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think > that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. > And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a > /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I > have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started > getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone > will do something like this. > We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a > new lir we cannot help in the matter. > We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address > space from Romania with the same issue. > > Best regards, > Claudiu Foleanu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of > Markus > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM > To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC > Members and Multiple > > Hi Claudiu, > > Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: >> No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the >> system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have >> the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. > [...] > > can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away > from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to > give their resources up? > > I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from > your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It > seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from > <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra > nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> > > Do they have something to do with what you described? > > Cheers > Markus > > > > > > > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general > page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, > you can add or remove addresses. > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Markus 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the > resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...] can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra…> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus

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[ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss
by David Treanor 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

> 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a > problem > that must be prevented? The rapid increase in new account creation seems to indicate that this is being used to abuse the rules. Yes it must be prevented. > 2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action > should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention? Limit (or even stop) the creation of additional accounts (per member) and put checks in place that the IP addresses are being used according to guidelines. Adding additional costs could be a deterrent but since this is not an economical issue, I don't think this is the route to go. Requesting v4 addresses be returned is a temporary fix only - we should be encouraging and promoting v6 so that this becomes is a non-issue asap. Regards, Dave ________________________________ Von: Nigel Titley<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net> Gesendet: ‎11.‎02.‎2016 18:02 An: ncc-announce(a)ripe.net<mailto:ncc-announce@ripe.net> Betreff: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to discuss the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts. There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in November 2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR accounts, each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run against the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board decided to temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open additional LIR accounts. The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8 policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has allocated more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the pool. ACTION REQUIRED: The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and discuss the following points: 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented? 2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention? Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this article on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-li… The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members Discuss mailing list <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>. The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the next Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome of that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to vote on at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016. Best regards, Nigel Titley RIPE NCC Executive Board ________________________________ Diese E-Mail enth?lt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich gesch?tzte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrt?mlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese E-Mail. Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser E-Mail ist nicht gestattet. This e-mail contains confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. ITVT GmbH Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB21862 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Jochen Klipfel, Patrick Kreuzer, J?rgen Lorenz

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Increase amount of bots in the mailling list
by Lu Heng 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Hi Guys: Seriously, it is not first time people complaint about it,please, unsubscribe your ticket system from the mailing list, it is really annoying every time I sent out a reply I get 10 auto responds. Should we ask RIPE NCC add field in the new member application form says "members discussion mailing list Email: ", in which specially quote "no auto responds allowed in the list". Since the increasing amount of members are coming. -- -- Kind regards. Lu

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss
by Arash Naderpour 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Hi, After checking the provided statistics and current IPv4 available pool, I'm interested to know that base on the last 12 month net allocation rate when would be the full depletion of RIPE NCC's IPv4 pool. At the moment it seems that opening additional LIR accounts by a member is not a problem (to me), and there are some benefits for current members, too. Regards, Arash Naderpour -----Original Message----- From: ncc-announce [mailto:ncc-announce-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Nigel Titley Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 9:56 PM To: ncc-announce(a)ripe.net Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Please Discuss Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to ask the membership to discuss the issue of RIPE NCC members opening additional LIR accounts. There were comments at the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) in November 2015 that members having the ability to open additional LIR accounts, each of which can request a /22 of IPv4 address space, may run against the spirit of the last /8 policy. In light of this, the Board decided to temporarily suspend the ability of RIPE NCC members to open additional LIR accounts. The RIPE NCC began to allocate IPv4 address space from the last /8 policy on 14 September 2012. Since that time the RIPE NCC has allocated more than 8,600 /22s, yet there remains 0.94 of a /8 still in the pool. ACTION REQUIRED: The Board asks the membership to provide their opinion on and discuss the following points: 1. Is the activity of members opening additional LIR accounts a problem that must be prevented? 2. If this activity is a problem that must be prevented, what action should the RIPE NCC take to attempt its prevention? Statistics pertinent to this discussion are available in this article on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/laura_cobley/ripe-ncc-members-and-multiple-li… The Board asks that members discuss this issue on the Members Discuss mailing list <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>. The Board will monitor the discussion and will review it at the next Executive Board Meeting on 31 March 2016. Depending on the outcome of that meeting, the Board may propose a resolution for members to vote on at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2016. Best regards, Nigel Titley RIPE NCC Executive Board

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