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RIPE Labs Article on the Draft Activity Plan and Budget 2025
by Hans Petter Holen 23 Oct '24

23 Oct '24

Dear all, Earlier this week, I published a RIPE Labs article on the RIPE NCC’s Draft Activity Plan and Budget 2025: https://labs.ripe.net/author/hans_petter_holen/building-resilience-the-ripe… In the article, I talk through the overall picture of the draft Activity Plan for 2025 and our commitment to long term resilience. If you have any feedback on the draft document or my article, please let me know on this mailing list or in person at RIPE 89. Kind regards, Hans Petter Holen Managing Director and CEO RIPE NCC

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2nd RIPE Labs article on the Draft Activity plan and Budget 2025 published
by Simon-Jan Haytink 22 Oct '24

22 Oct '24

Dear all, Yesterday, I published a RIPE Labs article on the RIPE NCC’s draft budget for 2025: https://labs.ripe.net/author/Simon-Jan/financial-stability-and-beyond-a-loo… In a follow up to Hans Petter's article on the RIPE NCC’s Draft Activity Plan, I take a look at the RIPE NCC's budget 2025, our financial stability and beyond. If you have any comments or questions, let me know! Kind regards, Simon Jan Haytink Chief Financial Office RIPE NCC

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Re: [ncc-announce] [news] 177th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting - Summary Notes
by Kaj Niemi 22 Oct '24

22 Oct '24

Hi, Thanks for the meeting minutes, they’re always interesting to read. I’ve been wondering about the redistribution for years, but I guess never really voiced my thoughts about them. Referring to items and discussion under section 3 and section 6, why do we nowadays (and seemingly want to continue to) redistribute part of the precious year’s membership fee back to members? As a transaction it’s like lending money at zero interest and then possibly (optionality) having the excess, which wasn’t used for operations, netted against the membership fee the following year. Should there be an excess and should the GM vote in favor of it, I mean. I realize an extra-extra buffer improves working capital but to me it would seem like RIPE has ample amounts of cash at hand as well as in reserves so that seems like an unlikely reason. Kaj Sent from my iPad ________________________________ From: Hans Petter Holen <hph+announce(a)ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2024 2:52:22 PM To: ncc-announce(a)ripe.net <ncc-announce(a)ripe.net> Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] 177th RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting - Summary Notes Dear RIPE NCC members, The RIPE NCC Executive Board held its 177th meeting from 18 - 20 September 2024. The minutes are now available: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2024/177th-executive-… The Executive Board publishes the minutes of its meetings so that the workings of the Board and the decisions it makes are transparent to the membership it represents. The following is a summary of the main items from the meeting. Further details are available in the minutes. ------------------------------- Main Items ------------------------------- - I presented the Draft Activity Plan and Budget for 2025, outlining costs, key strategic areas and a request for additional budget in Information Security and Technology as an investment in the organisation's future stability. - Each main section of the Draft Activity Plan and Budget (Registry, Information Services, Community and Engagement, and Organisational Sustainability) was presented by the relevant owner who shared the current status, risks and plans for 2025. Chief Information Security Officer Eleonora Petridou also presented the Information Security, Risk & Compliance section. - Chief Community Officer, Hisham Ibrahim, provided a Q3 2024 update on Community and Engagement, including a successful summer school campaign, community engagement efforts, translated YouTube training materials, along with a joint RIPE-RIPE NCC presentation to encourage participation. - Chief Technology Officer, Felipe Victolla Silveira, provided a status update where he covered the modernisation of RIPE Atlas infrastructure and the reduction of data centre costs and issues that have been experienced related to that. - Chief Financial Officer, Simon-Jan Haytink, provided a financial status update and presented budget proposals for 2025. - Chief Legal Officer, Athina Fragkouli, gave a presentation on the work to update “Criteria for Establishment of New Regional Internet Registries” (ICP-2). She outlined the plan and said that the ASO AC (NRO NC) is carrying out work to review the ICP-2 document. - Athina also presented the amendments made to the closure procedure and the legacy services legal framework, as well as amendments to the transfer procedure and revised transfer requirements for Ukraine. - RIPE Chair Mirjam Kühne provided an update on RIPE community developments, including planning for RIPE 89. She gave an update on RIPE Working Groups, strengthening relationships with LEAs and Europol, and RIPE outreach activities. - Jan Žorž was appointed by the Executive Board Chair to lead the RIPE Nominations Committee as it worked to appoint the next RIPE Chair. The Board fully supported this appointment and expressed its good wishes to Jan. Other topics: - GM Agenda - Staff Pulse Check survey - Executive Board Travel Policy Update - Charging Scheme Task Force - Aligning RIPE NCC's Strategic Objectives with Funding - Harnessing Community Power - AFRINIC - Meeting with the Works Council - Board Remuneration ------------------------------- Resolutions Adopted ------------------------------- Resolution EB#177-R-01 The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the minutes of EB#176. Resolution EB#177-R-02 The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the publication of the Draft RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2025 as amended. Resolution EB#177-R-03 The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the publication of the draft agenda for the RIPE NCC General Meeting in October 2024 as amended. Resolution EB#177-R-04 The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the amendments to the RIPE NCC procedural document “Closure of Members, Deregistration of Internet Resources and Legacy Internet Resources” as well as to the RIPE NCC legal documents “RIPE NCC Services for Legacy Internet Resources of RIPE NCC Members Terms and Conditions” and “RIPE NCC Services for Legacy Internet Resources Agreement (Legacy Agreement)”. Resolution EB#177-R-05 The RIPE NCC Executive Board approves the amendments to the RIPE NCC procedural document “Transfer of Internet Number Resources and Change of a Member’s Official Legal Name”. Resolution EB#177-R-06 The RIPE NCC Executive Board resolves to lift the restriction imposed by the resolution EB#163-R-02, according to which all transfer requests from Ukraine would be only permitted if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. As a result, notarisation of documents will only be required in accordance with the RIPE NCC procedural document “Due Diligence for the Quality of the RIPE NCC Registration Data”. Kind regards, Hans Petter Holen Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer RIPE NCC

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Open House on Draft Activity Plan and Budget 2025: Recording Available
by Fergal Cunningham 10 Oct '24

10 Oct '24

Dear all, Yesterday, we had an Open House on the Draft RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2025. The recording is now available at: https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-open-house-2025/ The session saw statements from our Executive Board Chair and Treasurer, and presentations from our Managing Director and Chief Financial Officer. These were followed by a Q&A with members. Please view the recording and if you have comments or opinions you'd like to share, please discuss on this list so we can consider your input when drafting the final version of the Activity Plan and Budget for next year. And we ask that you register for the General Meeting taking place on 30 October, where there will be further presentations on our plans for next year among other items. The draft agenda and all supporting information is available from our GM pages: https://www.ripe.net/gm/oct2024/ Kind regards, Fergal Cunningham Head of Membership Engagement RIPE NCC

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Dangerous scam email claim from RIPE NCC
by Lu Heng 09 Oct '24

09 Oct '24

Hi I have attached the email, I didn’t click on it. I think RIPE NCC should immediately make a member based wide announcement and clarification on registry assisted check should look like. Think what happen to LIR account last year, this is very scary. -- Kind regards. Lu

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Draft Activity Plan and Budget 2025 Published
by Karla Liddle-White 09 Oct '24

09 Oct '24

Dear RIPE NCC members, We have now published the Draft Activity Plan and Budget 2025 and it is available for your review at: https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-budget-2025/ The original announcement is available in the NCC Announce archive: https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/ncc-announce@ripe.net/thread/NXJRIRQ… Please read the document and share any feedback on this list. We also invite you to participate in an Open House to share feedback on 9 October. You can register at: https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-open-house-2025/ <https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-open-house-2025/> The activity plan is also a supporting document for the upcoming General Meeting (GM). Find all information about the GM, including the draft agenda, at: https://www.ripe.net/gm/oct2024/ <https://www.ripe.net/gm/oct2024/> Kind regards, Karla Liddle-White Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2025
by Hank Nussbacher 09 Oct '24

09 Oct '24

On 02/10/2024 15:29, Hans Petter Holen wrote: I guess I am not understanding something. On page 8 of - https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/Draft_RIPE_NCC_Activity_Plan_and_Budge… you have visualizations for 5 different sections and the title states "Overview of the RIPE NCC Budget and Savings 2025" and the 1st section again states "Budget Savings (in kEUR)" yet in every section the numbers for 2025 are higher than for 2024. Can you explain what is the intention behind the word "savings"? Thanks, Hank > Dear members, > > > The Draft RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2025 is now available for > your review at: > > https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-budget-2025 <https:// > www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-budget-2025> > > > In this document, you can learn about our plans for next year and shape > the direction we take as an organisation. > > > In response to members’ questions about our budget, we have included > more detailed information in this document about the main costs for each > activity and about the staff costs in the RIPE NCC overall. We have also > included key takeaways and defined commitments to ensure members can > clearly understand the goals of our activities for the coming year. We > will also publish two RIPE Labs articles that look at our plans and > budget in more detail. > > > Please read the document and share any feedback on members- > discuss(a)ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>. The document will be > discussed at the General Meeting (GM) alongside RIPE 89 and in the RIPE > NCC Services Working Group on Wednesday, 30 October 2024. The Executive > Board will consider all feedback on our activities before approving the > final version that will be published in December 2024. > > > We also invite you to participate in an Open House on 9 October from > 09:00 to 10:30 (UTC), where you can give feedback on the Draft Activity > Plan and Budget directly to the Executive Board and RIPE NCC Management. > You can register to attend at: > > https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-open-house-2025 <https:// > www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-open-house-2025> > > > All the relevant information for this consultation is available at: > > https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-and-budget-2025-feedback > <https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-and-budget-2025-feedback> > > > Please note that if you want to participate or vote in the GM, you will > need to register via the General Meeting section in my.ripe.net <http:// > my.ripe.net>. You can find all information about the GM, including the > draft agenda, at: https://www.ripe.net/gm/oct2024 <https://www.ripe.net/ > gm/oct2024> > > > Kind regards > > > Hans Petter Holen > > Managing Director > > RIPE NCC > > > > ----- > To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ncc-announce.ripe.net/ > As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. > More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/

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Reminder: Open House on Draft Activity Plan and Budget 2025
by Karla Liddle-White 08 Oct '24

08 Oct '24

Dear all, This is a reminder about the upcoming Open House on the Draft Activity Plan and Budget 2025, taking place this Wednesday. Date: 9 October at 09:00 (UTC) Register for the Open House: https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-open-house-2025 This online session is an opportunity to engage directly with the RIPE NCC Executive Board and leadership regarding the draft plan and budget, and we look forward to hearing your feedback. Kind regards, Karla Liddle-White Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Charging Scheme Task Force 2024 Meeting Minutes (17 September 2024)
by Karla Liddle-White 01 Oct '24

01 Oct '24

Dear RIPE NCC members, The Charging Scheme Task Force held its second meeting on 17 September 2024. The minutes for the meeting are now available at: https://www.ripe.net/charging-scheme-tf-minutes-170924 <https://www.ripe.net/charging-scheme-tf-minutes-170924> The primary focus of the meeting was to review each recommendation the previous Task Force put forward to the Board in 2012. The next Charging Scheme Task Force meeting is scheduled for later this month and a hybrid meeting will take place at RIPE 89. We will keep you updated as the task force continues its work. Best regards, Karla Liddle-White Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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RIPE NCC Quarterly Planning Q4 2024
by Adonis Stergiopoulos 01 Oct '24

01 Oct '24

Dear colleagues, The Q4 2024 quarterly plans for our development teams are now published on our website: https://www.ripe.net/quarterly-planning Each quarter, we publish these plans to showcase the work items we will carry out over the next months. We welcome your feedback and encourage you to suggest items that the RIPE NCC should be working on going forward. The plans cover the following areas: - RIPE Database - Business Applications, including the LIR Portal, Registry Services and other applications - DNS and K-root - RIPE Atlas - RIPEstat - Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) - Routing Information Service (RIS) - Information Security, Risk, and Compliance - Training and Certification If you have any questions or input on these plans, please share your suggestions on this list or the RIPE NCC Forum: https://forum.ripe.net/ Kind regards, Adonis Stergiopoulos Senior Marketing & Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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RIPE NCC Open House: Draft Activity Plan and Budget 2025
by Hans Petter Holen 19 Sep '24

19 Sep '24

Dear members, In October, we will publish the Draft Activity Plan and Budget for 2025 ahead of the Autumn General Meeting. The document outlines our proposed activities for the coming year and how we plan to fund them. It’s a key opportunity for you to read our plans and help shape the direction of our organisation. Once the draft is published, we encourage you to share your feedback on the members-discuss mailing list. We will also host an Open House session where members can ask questions and discuss the draft with me, my team and the Executive Board. Open House: Draft Activity Plan and Budget 2025 Date: 9 October Time: 11:00 - 12:30 (UTC+2) Register: https://www.ripe.net/draft-activity-plan-open-house-2025 At the Open House, you will have the chance to provide direct feedback to the Executive Board and RIPE NCC Management. Afterwards, we will discuss the draft document during the General Meeting (GM), held alongside RIPE 89 on Wednesday, 30 October 2024. All feedback will be considered, and the final version will be published in December 2024. If you wish to attend or vote in the GM, you will need to register via the General Meeting section in my.ripe.net. You can find more information about the GM and how to register at: https://www.ripe.net/gm/oct2024 Kind regards, Hans Petter Holen Managing Director and CEO RIPE NCC

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Charging Scheme Task Force 2024 Meeting Minutes
by Karla Liddle-White 11 Sep '24

11 Sep '24

Dear RIPE NCC members, The Charging Scheme Task Force held its first meeting on 27 August 2024. The minutes for the meeting are now available at: https://www.ripe.net/cstf-2024/first-meeting-minutes The primary focus of the meeting was to outline the task force’s working methods, establish timelines, and set expectations for the outcomes. Ondřej Filip and Peter Hessler were appointed co-chairs. The task force has decided to hold monthly Zoom meetings and plans to hold a hybrid meeting at RIPE 89 in Prague. Its aim is to deliver a progress report at the Autumn General Meeting 2024 and complete its work by the Spring General Meeting 2025. While meetings will not be recorded, minutes will be taken under Chatham House rules and will be shared with the membership. The next Charging Scheme Task Force meeting is set to take place later this month and we will keep you updated as the task force continues its work. Best regards, Karla Liddle-White Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force Members
by Ondřej Filip 14 Aug '24

14 Aug '24

Dear RIPE NCC members, The RIPE NCC Executive Board would like to thank everyone who volunteered for the Charging Scheme Task Force 2024. We were pleased to receive many applications from members with expertise in finance and the Internet market across a broad geographical location. After careful consideration, we have selected the following individuals from the membership to form the Task Force: - Alptekin Sunnetci - Carlos Miguel Queiros Friacas - Ivaylo Josifov - Alex de Joode - Cynthia Revström - Alexandru Doszlop - Pavel Odintsov - Ulf Kieber - Clara Wade - Peter Hessler - Victor Bolaños Guerra - Sébastien Brossier We believe this group reflects the diverse range of experience, background, organisation type, nationalities and knowledge that exists within our membership. They will bring valuable perspectives and expertise to the Task Force, contributing to the development of fair and effective charging scheme principles. The Task Force will hold its first meeting in August/September 2024, and we look forward to their progress and recommendations. Updates will be shared with the membership as the Task Force carries out its work. Thank you again to all those who volunteered for your willingness to contribute your time and efforts to this important task. Best regards, Ondřej Filip RIPE NCC Executive Board Chair

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Analysis of Voting Registrations at the GM
by Fergal Cunningham 08 Jul '24

08 Jul '24

Dear all, We just published a RIPE Labs article that takes a closer look at the voter registration data from the recent May General Meeting: https://labs.ripe.net/author/ilke-ilhan/voting-analysis-gm-may-2024-a-first… If you have thoughts on the article, or suggestions on other aspects you'd like to see covered in future analyses, we'd love to hear them. Best regards, Fergal Cunningham Head of Membership Engagement RIPE NCC

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RIPE NCC Quarterly Planning Q3 2024
by Adonis Stergiopoulos 27 Jun '24

27 Jun '24

Dear colleagues, We have now published the Q3 2024 quarterly plans for our development teams: https://www.ripe.net/support/documentation/quarterly-planning These plans include the work items that will be carried out over the next quarter and give you the chance to provide your feedback and suggestions that the RIPE NCC should be working on going forward. The plans cover the following areas: - RIPE Database - Business Applications, including the LIR Portal, Registry Services and other applications. - DNS and K-root - RIPE Atlas - RIPEstat - Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) - Routing Information Service (RIS) - Information Security, Risk, and Compliance - Training and Certification Please share your suggestions on this list or the RIPE NCC Forum: https://forum.ripe.net/ Kind regards, Adonis Stergiopoulos Senior Marketing & Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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RIPE ticketing tracker?
by Hank Nussbacher 11 Jun '24

11 Jun '24

Is there some RIPE NCC page where one can see the total number of open tickets as well as how long they have been in the queue? Is there some SLA in regards to initial response to a newly opened ticket? Thanks, Hank

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Questions to RIPE NCC in light of last GM
by Hans Petter Holen 30 May '24

30 May '24

Dear all, I would like to thank the members for their input over the previous weeks, and especially during the General Meeting last week. We have received a lot of input from the members and community that we have taken on board, and now begins the work of addressing that feedback. We see the requests for more details on a wide range of topics including on IT infrastructure costs and set-up. Our CTO has written a RIPE Labs article that gives more detail and he also presented at the RIPE Meeting on this topic. Links to both are below: https://labs.ripe.net/author/felipe_victolla_silveira/reducing-the-ripe-ncc… https://ripe88.ripe.net/archives/video/1336/ More information on depreciation and bad debts (and much more besides) is available in the Financial Report 2023 (see pages 17, 18, 32 and 33): https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-821/ We also answered many questions that arose during the recent discussions in the Q&A we provided as part of the charging scheme discussion: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha… We will work to make this Q&A more comprehensive, adding topics outside the charging scheme discussion and adapting it as we see interest in other areas. We are always looking for ways to improve our reporting and we can see how we can publish more information on an ongoing basis through our regular reporting. We are a very transparent organisation, and some of the questions asked on this list are already answered in our documentation or presentations. We will look at ways to make the considerable amount of information we provide easier to find. The goal here should not be transparency for transparency’s sake - we aim to strike the right balance so we can increase trust and understanding of our governance and operations. Providing details on every line item or euro spent costs us a lot of time and effort, and this translates into costs for the members. The people who would work on providing those details also run the organisation or are essential to maintaining services. So we need to prioritise accordingly and work to ensure our regular reporting contains the information you need while carrying out our work to maintain our services. This is perhaps where you can help us. Are there organisations of similar size or type to us who are providing more details than we are? And are they providing it in a more coherent way that makes it easy for you to understand? Let us know. We are always happy to get suggestions or inspiration on how we might do our reporting in a better way. The Executive Board also committed at the General Meeting to discussing ways of involving members in charging scheme proposals, and this will be added to the agenda for the upcoming Board meeting in June. I am now starting the Activity Plan and Budget cycle with my management team, and we will make it a point to include more details there that address the points raised by members. This document will be published at the beginning of October to give members four weeks to comment before the General Meeting on 28 October. We see this process as a good opportunity to provide more details that will help give you an insight into the workings at the RIPE NCC. Best regards, Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC

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Questions to RIPE NCC in light of last GM
by ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED 28 May '24

28 May '24

Hello. After viewing video from last GM Im have some questions, hope you can help me with it. 1) Was been noticed about RIPE currently hold 46 racks, are possible to know information about that racks? What are servers used? How much power its consume and etc... 2) Are RIPE NCC currently use some sort of "cloud services" - for example Amazon S3 (or similar) and related. If YES - where is possible to found report about how much its used and how much its cost? 3) Are RIPE NCC was been used or evaluate of possibility to start using IBM Z mainframe for mission critical services - like a RIPE Database and etc... what are must have max uptime and max security? If RIPE NCC (not matter CTO all whole RIPE NCC) are evaluate it early - then can are you share your conclusion about it, if not evaluate it early - may I ask about RIPE NCC to make internal evaluation of this and after show conclustion? 4) @hpholen said about RIPE NCC have some "private" NDA contract, but I didnt see any documentation about some sort of "tenders". Are maybe for more transparency RIPE NCC need to do some sort of Request For Tender (RFT) - need some clarification about that. 5) @hpholen said about details related with datacenter contacts under "NDA" - okay, but can RIPE NCC at least reveal information what are datacenters used for A+B locations? Its not related with financial information. 6) RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2024 have part "IT Support", are its possible to receive max possible detalizations about that spendings? 3.750.000 EUR for sure not smallest part of spendings. 7) RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2024 have part "Bad Debts and Deprecation", are its possible to receive max possible detalizations about that spendings? As I understand its not a secret/NDA information. Right? Thank you.

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Three appeals by DFK on RIPE community mailing list...
by Jan Zorz - Go6 28 May '24

28 May '24

Hey, I just spotted the Daniel's submission to the RIPE community discuss last week, and in the light of the recent discussions - I thought it would be appropriate to forward it here. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2024-May/003204.html Cheers, Jan

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Re: [members-discuss] Questions to RIPE NCC in light of last GM
by Jan-Henning Plassmann 26 May '24

26 May '24

+1 Gesendet von Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> on behalf of Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2024 7:46:27 PM To: ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED <admin(a)roskomnadzor.io> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Questions to RIPE NCC in light of last GM > No, Im already seen this article. Its same what are was been showed on > GM. Its doesnt have detalization. i, for one, do not want detail. if i wanted to micro-manage the ncc, i would fill out a job application. they have done an amazing job for decades, and i trust them to keep doing so. the extent of the ncc's transparency is often more than i have time read. randy _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/jan.plassmann%40jhp-…

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Sustainability and diversity
by Vaclav Nesvadba 21 May '24

21 May '24

Dear community, I understand that - RIPE needs more money to keep the quality of services - thousands of LIRs create much more work for RIPE team But killing most of the smaller LIRs by very non-linear pricing will LOWER the business competition and finally create very HIGH prices for all Internet end-users and LOW income for RIPE. RIPE team, please try to think about it. I hope, you can find the best way for the sustainability and diversity of the environment ;) -- S přáním hezkého dne / Best regards Václav Nesvadba CTO nesvadba(a)faster.cz | +420 533 433 343 | Jarní 44g, 614 00 Brno | FASTER.CZ

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Recording Available: Meet the Executive Board Candidates
by Fergal Cunningham 17 May '24

17 May '24

Dear all, On Wednesday this week we held the Open House: Meet the RIPE NCC Executive Board Candidates. The recording is now available: https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/open-house/meet-the-may-2024-execu… If you want to ask candidates more questions or have them elaborate on their responses at the Open House, please ask them on the EB Candidates mailing list where they are waiting to hear from you. https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/eb-candidates All the best, Fergal

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members
by Daniel Pearson 17 May '24

17 May '24

Please allow me to summarize this long email. "We hear you members, but we disagree, so we are still going to do what we want to do". Since they will not listen to the proposal voted upon, I move that we as a membership recall all standing board members and hold new elections for all seats. It is clear that the board is NOT listening to it's members. We can certainty do that with a proposal can we not Ondřej? Daniel~ On 5/7/24 8:54 AM, Ondřej Filip wrote: > Dear members, > > On 6 May, 2024, the Executive Board held a meeting to discuss the > input we received from members regarding the Board proposal for the > RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025. We will publish the minutes as soon as > possible, but I want to first give you a summary of the discussions > and the outcomes from the meeting. > > Since we started engaging with the membership on the charging scheme > this year, we have received over 400 emails on the topic. For the > first time, we also have a member proposal for a GM agenda topic that > has received the required number of expressions of support to be added > to the GM agenda. Therefore, we felt it was important for the Board to > have this extra meeting, review the various points that were brought > forward, and consider the next steps in this process. There were many > important points to discuss at this meeting, and although the outcome > might not please everyone, the Board was fully aligned on how it > should move forward. > > First, we considered again what we had decided upon at the Board > meeting in March. The Board consciously did not put forward a proposal > to keep the charging scheme as it is because we don’t believe that it > would be good governance to make a proposal that leaves us with a > large deficit, and good governance is what is expected from us by the > members who elect us. > > Furthermore, some of the suggestions from members would change the > funding model in a way that would put the organisation at risk, and > while the Board represents the members, it also has legal and > fiduciary responsibilities towards the organisation. It is clear that > one of the main responsibilities of the Board is to propose a charging > scheme that will properly fund the association, and the charging > scheme options we put forward will do that for 2025 and 2026. So we > will put forward the three options as proposed on 24 April 2024 for > members to vote on at the GM[1]. > > There were many proposals to provide that funding in alternative ways. > However, we believe that this is not the right time to make > fundamental changes to the charging model. We are about to embark on a > full review of the organisation and its structures, and that will take > some time. For us to implement that review and any resulting actions, > we need stable funding. All three of the proposed options offer us > this. We also note that the redistribution mechanism allows us to > return any surplus made to the membership in the following year should > members vote to do so. The Board and the Managing Director will also > continue to work to improve efficiency and identify areas for cost > savings. > > We did consider moving this vote to later in the year, but this would > negatively impact our planning for 2025, and it would also distract > from the very important discussions we need to have with members > during the Activity Plan and Budget process this Autumn. During that > discussion, we do expect that the members who are convinced that the > RIPE NCC needs to reduce its budget will tell us which services need > to be reduced or cut in order to accommodate such a reduction. > > At our meeting, the Board also discussed the structural review that > will take place. This will begin at the RIPE 88 Meeting in two weeks > with a BoF on how to build a stable future for the RIPE NCC. We expect > that there will be a productive discussion on many issues that need to > be resolved so that the RIPE NCC can move forward stably and with a > funding model that has the support of its membership. We will keep the > membership updated on the outcomes of those discussions and how the > members can contribute to the work that will surely emerge from them. > > Regarding the membership proposal[2], we acknowledge that the > threshold was met to add the GM agenda topic “Keep current billing > scheme for the next year”. We will add this as a topic to the agenda > as required by the Articles of Association. However, this will not be > added as a proposed resolution for members to vote on. Articles 15.4, > 15.5 and 15.6 of the RIPE NCC Articles of Association do not allow > members to propose a Charging Scheme, as reaffirmed by the external > law firm that gives us expert advice on Dutch corporate law. > > This legal framework ensures that a Charging Scheme may only be > proposed by those who were elected to serve on the Executive Board, > who have better insight into the financials and the operations of the > organisation, and who have a duty of care for the well-being of the > organisation and are liable in case of mismanagement. Parties without > such insight, responsibility and liability may not put forward > charging schemes for voting that - although appealing for individual > members - may be inappropriate for the sustainability of the > organisation. > > To summarise, the Board recognises the member sentiment and we are > committed to addressing it for the long term. However, we must do what > we believe is best for the stability of the organisation and its > membership, even if it is not an easy or popular thing to do. This is > what is required of us when we legally commit to be Board members, and > we will faithfully execute on our commitments in this regard. > > We listen to your feedback and ideas, and on behalf of the Board I > thank you for engaging in these important discussions and look forward > to seeing them continue as we work towards a sustainable outcome for > the RIPE NCC. > > The RIPE NCC Executive Board > > Ondřej Filip, Chair > Raymond Jetten, Treasurer > Piotr Strzyżewski, Secretary > Maria Häll, Member > Remco van Mook, Member > Job Snijders, Member > Harald A. Summa, Member > > [1] > https://www.ripe.net/membership/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2024/documentation… > > [2] https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/ >

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Mortal Kombat over fees? Proposal.
by Denys Fedoryshchenko 16 May '24

16 May '24

Proposal to RIPE members actively participating in heated discussions on the mailing list. I think new ideas sort of dried up, so it's time to take a break and let the dust settle. Current discussion degraded mostly to same ideas as before, just with different wording and now with NEW(tm) feature - mutual insults. It's not productive anymore, and it's not fun anymore. Let's summarize the discussion so far. I might be bold on some statement, but better to say truth than to sugarcoat it. - People very angry not just about fees increase, but lack of proper communication and transparency about whole budgeting process. - Many also have perception that answers of RIPE NCC employees and RIPE EB are inappropriate and not addressing concerns of members. - Many members have concerns that fees structure are not fair, by several reasons: some members hold very large resources and do a lot of transactions, but pay same as small LIRs; some members have concerns that fees are not fair to their country's economy; some members don't want to fund projects they don't see as useful. - Last tiered proposal was not appreciated, but not because people don't want tiered fees, but because it was not well thought out and mixed with other changes. - We are not offered option "None of the above" in budget voting, which is again very angry point for many members. - For many years many members didn't care about what is happening in RIPE NCC, they put their trust in RIPE NCC and EB, and now they feel betrayed. - Certain RIPE members blindly defend all RIPE NCC and EB actions, and attack anyone who dares to criticize them. This is not productive and not helpful. They went to such extent that they started to insult other members, which is not acceptable. We either work for better future, or if you want to be enemies, be my guest, but this will be very bad for RIPE NCC and RIPE community. Also i want to underscore that RIPE NCC, EB, RIPE "supporters" are not our enemies. They are our partners in this community. We all want better future for RIPE community, and we all want RIPE NCC to be successful. But we have different opinions on how to achieve this. We need to find common ground and work together to achieve this. Let's say we swallow the bitter pill and accept that fees will increase. We can't avoid it now, but in return we demand from RIPE NCC and EB certain changes. My proposal is to set clear goals: - RIPE NCC and EB should clearly understand, if they are just trying to win time and wait until situation calms down, and do business as usual, consequences will be very bad for RIPE NCC. This time we will not forget, and will demand roadmap of changes with clear deadlines. And if they are not done and we will see it is just a trick, we will demand changes in RIPE NCC staff and leadership or go to extreme measures. - We demand to have more control over budgeting process, and not just to vote on limited budget options proposed by RIPE EB. We want to have more say in budgeting process, to participate in task forces, etc. - As RIPE members funding RIPE NCC activities, we have full right to demand accountability and match modern standards of transparency and governance not only for budgeting, but for all RIPE processes, from core activities, to projects, purchases, hiring, etc. - Many RIPE NCC projects are beneficial for world, but barely for members. This have to change and details discussed. If fees are increased, we want return on investment. - The fact that some of projects are flawed, and some has no proper report to members for 2 years, is not acceptable. If project does not bother to report to members, it means it is not important for members, and should be stopped. We demand to have more control over projects, and to have more say in projects funding. If project clearly show neglect to members and goals set together with members, it should be stopped. Now, i wonder, did anybody read this long email? :) Let's move to Telegram chat https://t.me/ripe_budget_talks and start collecting and writing down ideas.

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How can I vote against Charging Scheme A, B and C
by Mikael Jirari 16 May '24

16 May '24

Hello everyone, I see so many discussions to end with what ? An increasing charging scheme with A, B, C more or less the same. I don't understand that so much time is taken by the RIPE executive board and people on the mailling list to end with more or less the same scheme. I agree with some voices here. Some members have large amount of IPv4 IP adresses and are big buisnesses and have been around for a long time. They retain these IPv4 and/or don't pay their fair part: Their cost per IP are very low, they have the money to pay these IPv4 or release them if they want. On top of that, RIPE increase the charging by 20% This charging is a joke ! It's like you are in a bar and there are 3 options on the menu: normal coke, sugar free coke, cherry coke. What's the point ? => How can I vote against these A, B, C proposals ? a) LIR fee should be lower and packaged with 1 x /24 IPv4 + 1 x /32 IPv6 in terms of price. b) Big IPv4 owners should pay that 20% increase of RIPE budget and handle the cost of a) Regards ********************************* This message and any attachments (the "message") are confidential and intended solely for the addressees. Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited. Messages are susceptible to alteration. Expertinet shall not be liable for the message if altered, changed or falsified. If you are not the intended addressee of this message, please cancel it immediately and inform the sender. ********************************

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