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Spam Mistakenly Put Through to List
by Fergal Cunningham 02 Sep '25

02 Sep '25

Dear all, We mistakenly moderated some spam messages through to the list along with valid emails this afternoon. Apologies for this. Kind regards, Fergal Cunningham Head of Membership Engagement RIPE NCC

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Does anyone have experience with the seizure of IP addresses at RIPE?
by Thomas Czarnetzki 29 Aug '25

29 Aug '25

Dear, we are the sponsoring LIR of a company that has a claim against a RIPE member in Germany. This claim was confirmed by court judgment through an enforcement order. As part of the compulsory enforcement, there is a garnishment and transfer order instructing RIPE to transfer the members IP addresses. However, RIPE refuses to comply and comes up with all sorts of ideas, e.g. that the creditor should first become a RIPE member, or that the whole matter must first be served to RIPE by a Dutch court, etc. Obviously, RIPE does not seem to care much about applicable EU law and legal proceedings. The lawyer now recommends suing RIPE, since they are not complying with the garnishment order, thereby making themselves liable for damages, and should then directly pay the claim against the RIPE member instead of releasing the IP addresses. That would, of course, be even easier, since nobody would have to deal with the sale of the IPs, etc. Has anyone here ever had any experience with this? Or perhaps an idea how to get RIPE to act in compliance with the law? -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen Thomas Czarnetzki ------------------------------------------------- comtrance - your communication entrance E-Mail: t.czarnetzki(a)comtrance.net Internet: http://www.comtrance.net Telefon: +49 (211) 271 59 - 20 Fax: +49 (211) 271 59 - 21 Notfall-Support (24/7): +49 (211) 271 59 - 15 Unternehmenssitz: comtrance service GmbH | In der Steele 35 | 40599 Düsseldorf Handelsregister: AG Düsseldorf / HRB 96082 | Ust-ID: DE-349229353 | Geschäftsführer: Thomas Czarnetzki Alle unsere Leistungen erfolgen ausschließlich auf Basis unserer Allgemeinen Geschäftsbedingungen.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with the seizure of IP addresses at RIPE?
by Lars Grønlund 25 Aug '25

25 Aug '25

Thread: https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/members-discuss@ripe.net/thread/RSMA… Hi Thomas, There is precedent in national courts treating IP addresses as attachable assets (e.g. *Amtsgericht Hamburg, case 67a M 93/19*, and *OLG Wien, case 3 R 195/14y*). The difficulty is that RIPE NCC, under Dutch law, considers them contractual “rights of use” and will only act on a *Dutch court order*. In practice, creditors either secure a voluntary transfer from the debtor or go through proceedings in the Netherlands. Without that, RIPE will not execute a garnishment. Best regards, *Lars Grønlund* GITC ApS · www.gitc.dk

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Re: Does anyone have experience with the seizure of IP addressesat RIPE?
by Jørgen Hovland ☁️ 25 Aug '25

25 Aug '25

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Final Report from the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force
by Peter Hessler 14 Jul '25

14 Jul '25

Dear all, On behalf of the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force, I am delighted to share our final report, which outlines the principles intended to guide the development of a new charging scheme model for the RIPE NCC. You can read the final report at: https://www.ripe.net/s/charging-scheme-task-force-2024/final-report/ Over the course of just under a year, the task force met 18 times to explore a wide range of issues related to how the RIPE NCC could charge its members. These discussions involved disagreements and compromises, but ultimately we reached consensus on the principles presented in this report. The work of the task force, including the minutes from these meetings, is available at: https://www.ripe.net/s/charging-scheme-task-force-2024/ Thank you to everyone who contributed to this process, including all members of the task force and members who provided feedback. Best regards, Peter Hessler Co-Chair, RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force

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RIPE NCC Quarterly Planning Q3 2025
by Boris Duval 25 Jun '25

25 Jun '25

Dear colleagues, We have now published the upcoming quarterly plans for our development teams: https://www.ripe.net/quarterly-planning We publish these plans each quarter to showcase the work items we will be carrying out over the next months. We welcome your feedback and encourage you to suggest items that the RIPE NCC should be working on going forward. The plans cover the following areas: - RIPE Database - Business Applications, including the LIR Portal, Registry Services and other applications. - DNS and K-root - RIPE Atlas - RIPEstat - Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) - Routing Information Service (RIS) - Information Security, Risk, and Compliance - Training and Certification If you have any questions or input on these plans, please share your suggestions on this list or the RIPE NCC Forum: https://forum.ripe.net/ Kind regards, Boris Duval Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Charging Scheme Task Force Meeting Minutes Published
by Karla Liddle-White 12 Jun '25

12 Jun '25

Dear all, The minutes from the latest RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force meetings are available, including those from meetings 11, 12 and 13. You can find the published minutes at: https://www.ripe.net/s/charging-scheme-task-force-2024/ The task force welcomes comments on the minutes, either on the list here or you can email them directly at: charging-scheme-task-force2024(a)ripe.net Best regards, Karla Liddle-White Senior Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by D. Walde - Walde IT-Systemhaus 10 Jun '25

10 Jun '25

IPv6 is cheaper to implement, but the transition is a curse for admins. They don't understand it, because they only know 255. Companies should clean up their IPv4 networks. Fees should be fairer for members. We have costs that are rising with the maturity. Yes, perhaps a red line should be applied there. But we're all clear on this point, only because there is a membership charter, and it's not exactly fair. We need to come up with a new fee structure that is fair to all members. -- Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Walde IT-Systemhaus - CEO Dirk Walde - IT-Specialist

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Members-Discuss Mailing List Placed Under Moderation
by Hans Petter Holen 03 Jun '25

03 Jun '25

Dear members, In light of recent activity on the members-discuss mailing list, the Executive Board resolved to place the members-discuss mailing list in moderation until further notice. This follows numerous complaints that have been made about mails that are off-topic and/or contain material that does not show tolerance or respect for fellow members of the list. The resolution is: “The RIPE NCC Executive Board resolves to temporarily moderate the members-discuss mailing list starting from Monday 2 June 2025, 20:00 CEST and until further notice. The mailing list will be moderated in accordance with the purpose of the mailing list and the principles of the RIPE Code of Conduct by a designated member of the RIPE NCC Executive Board and a RIPE NCC staff member. All emails, accepted or rejected, will be archived on the RIPE NCC website.” The minutes of the Board meeting will be published soon. With this resolution, the principles of the RIPE Code of Conduct will be applied to the members-discuss list. Emails that do not meet the requirements of the code of conduct will not be approved to be posted to the list. Mails that do not meet the intended purpose of providing members with a means to discuss membership issues among themselves will also not be approved to be posted to the list. The moderators of the list will be the Executive Board Secretary and one member of RIPE NCC staff. Mails will be moderated during office hours. A separate archive of all mails, including those rejected by the moderators, is available for all members to view should they wish to do so. Mails on the unmoderated list are deleted after three months. https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/members-discuss-unmoderated@ripe.net/ Sincerely, Hans Petter Holen Managing Director and CEO RIPE NCC

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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by D. Walde - Walde IT-Systemhaus 02 Jun '25

02 Jun '25

It's about fair distribution. And companies that earn millions should also understand that they have to do their share. And not just laugh and say, "Yeah, unfortunately, you came 30 years too late." You won't even be able to get started in the market. We need to come up with a new fee structure that is fair to all members. Yes, I'm exaggerating about the statement about millions. But it should be possible to even consider approaches to a fair model. Everyone should openly say how we could improve the model without being immediately punished by others. Suggestions are welcome. Just because the model is 30 years old doesn't necessarily make it good or fair. Suggestions are ideas, and they can be good, bad, or whatever. But that's what suggestions are about: the exchange of ideas and opinions. Just because I like chocolate ice cream the most doesn't mean everyone has to share my opinion. or even like ice cream. Greetings, Dirk -- Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Walde IT-Systemhaus - CEO Dirk Walde - IT-Specialist

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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by Matthias Brumm 31 May '25

31 May '25

Hi! If you mean the network administrators in organisations, we are on the same page. Because of them, ISPs feel the need of IPv4. End users / consumers and network / backbone operators are good to go. Matthias Am Samstag, dem 31.05.2025 um 12:39 +0200 schrieb Kees Meijs | Nefos: > > Hi, > > End users don't care for IPv6 (or even known about) when "it works". > It's the local network administrators. > > K. > > On 31-05-2025 11:13, Matthias Brumm wrote: > > > > > > But I do not think the network operators are the breaking point, it > > is > > the customers who are afraid of IPv6. > > > >

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Analysis on Participation in May 2025 GM
by Ilke Ilhan 30 May '25

30 May '25

Hi all, Following the GM on 14 May, we analysed participation and reflected on turnout. In this new article on RIPE Labs, we share our thoughts on what we saw: https://labs.ripe.net/author/ilke-ilhan/gm-may-2025-a-deep-dive-into-low-tu… Let us know what else you'd like to see covered in these post-GM pieces. Cheers, Ilke

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Tucows user activation
by Registry Operations 30 May '25

30 May '25

Hi members-discuss@ripe. net, As a direct result of your support submission to us, we have created a new account for you so you can review, manage, submit new, and check your open help requests for updates. Click the url below to activate your account and select a password! https://tucowsincteam.freshdesk.com/register/puLaRw3EfHPExvfSmRP If the above URL does not work try copying and pasting it into your browser. If you continue to have problems, please feel free to contact us. Regards,

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Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by Peter Hessler 30 May '25

30 May '25

Hello everyone, As mentioned during the presentation at the GM last week, the Charging Scheme Task Force is interested in your comments and suggestions on our draft report, until the end of May 2025. Here's a link to the draft report, for your perusal. https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/Draft_Report_of_the_RIPE_NCC_Charging_… We welcome comments either on the members-discuss list here or you can email them directly to us at: charging-scheme-task-force2024(a)ripe.net. While we do not want to discourage any discussion, the Task Force is unable to consider comments made elsewhere. Best Regards, Peter Hessler Co-Chair Charging Scheme Task Force

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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by Brett Sheffield 28 May '25

28 May '25

Hi Connor, On 2025-05-28 10:01, Connor McFarlane wrote: > I wish it were this simple. I agree that IPv6 adoption is the way to go, but > removing IPv4 from RIPE services I think will probably achieve the opposite > effect (as well as breaking a lot of things). > > Not everyone is a residential ISP here, so for instance my home ISP doesn't > do IPv6 (https://www.havevirginmediaenabledipv6yet.co.uk/).i If you do not have IPv6 in 2025 you do have an internet connection. ISPs in the UK like AAISP have been providing residential and business IPv6 for more than 20 years, and tunnels have been available for much longer. Everyone operating a RIPE account should be reading this on an IPv6 connection. If we can't even get our own tech-savvy membership to commit to IPv6 for accessing RIPE services, what the hell are we doing? > Enabling IPv6 at that sort of scale isn't a case of just flicking a switch, They've had a quarter of a century. We can give them another year. Perhaps two. But lets set a date. Seriously - it's time. This is something I'd like to see RIPE commit to. We can argue about the date, but let's set one. Countries like the Czech Republic have committed to switching off IPv4 by 2032. That's the entire country: https://konecipv4.cz/en/ It has been mandatory for ISPs in Belorussia to support IPv6 for over 5 years now. Cheers, -- Brett Sheffield (he/him) Gladserv Ltd

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Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month
by D. Walde - Walde IT-Systeme 28 May '25

28 May '25

I have the same problem myself. As a newbie, I only got an IPv4 network through the waiting list. I hope it's finally my turn in a month or two. I've worked my way up from 1183rd place to 72nd place. Given the current international situation with IPv6, I urgently need it if I want to make any money with services for businesses. And as a web host who rents out VServers, you really need more than a /24; even as a small company, I would like a /22. All customers want cheap VServers. But they have both IPv4 and IPv6. I don't get any money for pure IPv6 VServers. I'm the last person who doesn't support IPv6 only. But I also believe that as long as /16 and more are just lying around in the corners and some people are making a lot of money by selling and renting IPv4, IPv6 will only be running on the side for the next 20 years because some people can no longer get IPv4 or can only afford it. I currently have IPv6-only in my test infrastructure to test where it still has problems. Likewise, I need to be able to read and write IPv6 addresses, not just 255.255.255.255, which is much easier for many people and IPv6 is not even being considered. What is currently bothering me is the fee model. I have almost no chance of earning money and my costs are extreme, especially in Germany, for connections and electricity. But I have the same membership fee as those who use IPv4 as a money-making machine, and we are even at the mercy of the situation because of the general stock and have to rent or buy to have any future as a business. Something simply has to be done more vigorously. Even if it only means turning off IPv4 worldwide on January 1, 2028, for example. -- Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Walde IT-Systemhaus - CEO Dirk Walde - IT-Specialist

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Revisited: Concerns about cloud usage at RIPE NCC
by Timo Hilbrink 11 May '25

11 May '25

Hi all, Last november i wrote a post to this mailinglist, voicing my concerns about the wide use of US based cloud services at the RIPE NCC. This was just before the US elections took place. RIPE NCC (Felipe) responded to my concerns, and the last sentence of that mail was: "It is difficult to run our operations if we have to speculate on what governments can and cannot do. Instead, we apply a risk-based approach, paying close attention to the contracts we sign with these providers and ensuring that the obligations described in them give the highest possible level of privacy and security for our members." Now, a lot has happened in the world since november, and without going into every detail, i think it is safe to conclude that the US and its big tech companies can no longer be seen as reliable partners when it comes to storing our personal data. In fact it could soon become illegal for EU businesses and organisations to store personal data on US owned cloud platforms; the Transatlantic Data Privacy Framework (TADPF) that allows a free flow of EU data to US providers relies on the "Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board" (PCLOB) for oversight on data protection laws. Already in january, Mr Trump fired all democratic board members of the PCLOB, rendering the board powerless, as they now lack the required quorum necessary to operate. This means that the foundation of the TADPF has essentially been removed, and while EU organisations can still rely on the agreement as long as it's not formally annulled by the European Commission or the Court of Justice, it is now more important than ever to have a contingency plan. So, since the RIPE NCC applies a risk-based approach, my question would be: What contingency plan is there in place for the RIPE NCC? How quickly can they switch to a self hosted or "hosted in Europe" model, while still providing essential services to the members? * Some relevant links with more background information: https://noyb.eu/en/us-cloud-soon-illegal-trump-punches-first-hole-eu-us-dat… https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/trump-s-sacking-of-pclob-members-threa… https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/you-can-no-longer-base-your-government-an… Timo Hilbrink Freedom Internet

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Recording of Meet the RIPE NCC Executive Board Candidates Open House Now Available
by Fergal Cunningham 09 May '25

09 May '25

Dear all, The recording of this week’s Meet the RIPE NCC Executive Board Candidates Open House is now available to watch: https://www.ripe.net/meetings/open-house/meet-the-executive-board-candidate… All three candidates (Randy Bush, Ondřej Filip and Kevin Meynell) answered questions on a range of topics of interest to the membership. If you’d like to follow up with the candidates on any of the topics raised, or ask them different questions, you should feel free to do so on this list. Finally, please remember to register for next week’s General Meeting (GM) so that you can cast your vote for your preferred candidates, as well as the resolutions that members vote on. You can do this very quickly and easily via the LIR Portal: https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active All the information you need to participate fully in the GM is available from: https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/may-2025/ Kind regards, Fergal Cunningham Head of Membership Engagement RIPE NCC

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Meet the Executive Board Candidates Open House Starts Soon
by Fergal Cunningham 07 May '25

07 May '25

Dear all, The Open House where members can hear from and speak to the candidates for the RIPE NCC Executive Board will start in 30 minutes (13:00 UTC). You can still register from the following link if you would like to join (the link to join the Meetecho platform will be included in your registration confirmation mail). https://www.ripe.net/meetings/open-house/meet-the-executive-board-candidate… And I will of course let you know when we publish the recording in case you can’t make it today. Best regards, Fergal

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Engaging with the RIPE NCC Executive Board Candidates
by Fergal Cunningham 02 May '25

02 May '25

Dear all, At the upcoming General Meeting, there will be an election to fill two seats on the RIPE NCC Executive Board. The three candidates for those seats are: - Randy Bush - Ondřej Filip - Kevin Meynell We are holding an online event for members to meet the candidates on Wednesday, 7 May 2025 from 13:00 - 14:30 UTC / 15:00 - 16:30 CEST. You can register for this Open House at: https://www.ripe.net/meetings/open-house/meet-the-executive-board-candidate… This is your opportunity to hear directly from the candidates as they introduce themselves and explain why they are standing for election. Members can also ask questions on the issues that matter to them. The session will be hosted on the Meetecho platform. All registered participants will receive a link in an email on the day of the event. A recording will also be available for those unable to attend. The candidates are also subscribed to the members-discuss mailing list, so feel free to post your questions to this list as well. Kevin Meynell is not a representative for a RIPE NCC member, but he is subscribed to this list for the period of the election so he can respond to any member questions and participate in discussions as a candidate. The candidates’ biographies and motivations are all published at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/may-2025/executive-board-electi… We encourage all members to register to attend the GM and vote on resolutions and in the Executive Board election. You can register directly via the LIR Portal at: https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active The final agenda is now available from the GM webpages, where you can find all information related to the meeting: https://www.ripe.net/s/gm/may-2025 We look forward to your participation in the General Meeting. Kind regards, Fergal Cunningham Head of Membership Engagement RIPE NCC

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Re: [ncc-announce] [news] Draft Report of the Charging Scheme Task Force
by Randy Bush 23 Apr '25

23 Apr '25

> The RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force has published its draft report > containing the principles that it proposes should guide a new charging > scheme model for the RIPE NCC. > > The draft report is available at: > > https://www.ripe.net/documents/4012/Draft_Report_of_the_RIPE_NCC_Charging_S… i am impressed. broad stokes, avoids micro-management, acknowledges history while moving forward. props to the task force. ( and it does not say icann once! :) randy

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Charging Scheme Task Force Meeting Minutes (10 March 2025)
by Karla Liddle-White 03 Apr '25

03 Apr '25

Dear all, The RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task Force held a meeting on 10 March. The minutes are now available at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha… <https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha…> The task force welcomes comments on the minutes, either on the list here or you can email them directly at: charging-scheme-task-force2024(a)ripe.net Best regards, Karla Liddle-White Senior Communications Officer RIPE NCC

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RIPE NCC Quarterly Planning Q2 2025
by Adonis Stergiopoulos 27 Mar '25

27 Mar '25

Dear colleagues, We have now published the upcoming quarterly plans for our development teams: https://www.ripe.net/quarterly-planning We publish these plans each quarter to showcase the work items we will be carrying out over the next months. We welcome your feedback and encourage you to suggest items that the RIPE NCC should be working on going forward. The plans cover the following areas: - RIPE Database - Business Applications, including the LIR Portal, Registry Services and other applications. - DNS and K-root - RIPE Atlas - RIPEstat - Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) - Routing Information Service (RIS) - Information Security, Risk, and Compliance - Training and Certification If you have any questions or input on these plans, please share your suggestions on this list or the RIPE NCC Forum: https://forum.ripe.net/ Kind regards, Adonis Stergiopoulos Senior Business Analyst RIPE NCC

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Re: Charging Scheme Task Force Meeting Minutes (24 February 2025)
by Andy Davidson 13 Mar '25

13 Mar '25

Hi, Karla, all – Karla wrote: > The RIPE NCC Charging Scheme Task > Force held a meeting on 24 February > and the minutes are now available at: As a member, I take a keen interest in the work of the NCC Charging Scheme Task Force 2024. However, I find the latest meeting minutes difficult to follow, particularly given that, according to the Task Force webpage [0], the group should now be well in the phase of finalising recommendations for the Executive Board (February–May 2025). The minutes do not set out a clear list of decisions or actions, nor do they indicate that the Task Force is maintaining a register of risks associated with its recommendations, something I would expect, even if not explicitly mandated. From the minutes, it appears that the group has agreed to recommend: o The disaggregation of membership and service fees; o The introduction of transfer fees; and o A shift to charging per membership group rather than per individual LIR. Is this the full set of recommendations? The December minutes mention a draft report, yet I have been unable to locate a copy. Moreover, the minutes suggest that, at this late stage, the Task Force has not reached consensus on several key issues. The debate over tiered transfer fees remains unresolved, particularly concerning transfers requiring additional due diligence and the treatment of legacy holders. There was broad agreement that M&A transfers should be treated as policy transfers, yet a separate flat-rate fee for M&As was proposed to account for cases such as university mergers. This seems inconsistent. If M&As are to be treated as policy transfers, why should they be subject to a different fee structure? Could you clarify: o What decisions have been made? o What actions remain outstanding? o What risks have been identified and considered? I look forward to your response, and I thank you for your continued effort on this important topic. Best, Andy Davidson ( AJBD-RIPE // uk.ask4internet ) [0] https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha… This email and its contents may be confidential. Access is only authorised by the intended recipient. The contents of this email may not be disclosed to, or used by, anyone other than the intended recipient, or stored or copied in any medium. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately. ASK4 Ltd. Registered in England & Wales with company number 3980594. Registered Address: Devonshire Green House, 14 Fitzwilliam Street, Sheffield, S1 4JL. ASK4 Ltd is part of the ASK4 Group which operates in Europe through various local branches and/or separate and distinct legal entities.

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Executive Board Election Code of Conduct Team for May 2025
by Piotr Strzyżewski 11 Mar '25

11 Mar '25

Dear members, The RIPE NCC Executive Board has appointed the Code of Conduct Team for the May 2025 Executive Board Election. This team will be responsible for evaluating reports of potential violations of the Executive Board Election Code of Conduct by candidates during the election process. The following individuals were selected to serve on the team for the May 2025 election: - Sebastian Becker - Töma Gavrichenkov - Arnold Nipper - Lu Heng - Luca Marini The Executive Board would like to express its gratitude to those who volunteered to take on this important work. The team helps to ensure a fair and respectful election process. We would also like to extend our thanks to the Code of Conduct Team for the May 2024 Executive Board Election for their time and contributions. Their report can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/may-2024/executive-board-electi… <https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/may-2024/executive-board-electi…> The minutes from the Board meeting where this decision was made are available at: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2025/182nd-executive-… Information about the Executive Board Election Code of Conduct is available at: https://www.ripe.net/s/gm/may-2025/eb-election/coc/ Thank you to all who volunteered, and we appreciate your continued engagement in the process. Best regards, Piotr Strzyżewski RIPE NCC Executive Board Secretary

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