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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

You are 0.3% , no more than 100 people, when the RIPE community is assembled from 30,000 members, and you the 0.3% are trying to censor me. If you have any complaint then please send it directly to RIPE NCC and stop flooding the list with the same opinion which is a personal attack on me. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Vincentz Petzholtz Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 7:29 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Stuart Willet (primary); Maxi; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Many of us 0,03%ers quite do agree that you are the one who should stop. Go out and create a bad looking pre web 1.0 website like every proper conspiracy spokesman. Then we can read everything we need to know about the bad „Spamhaus Project“ without getting this list spammed. Thanks, Vincentz PS: sorry to feed the troll but I couldn’t resist standing by/behind my colleagues who already wrote Am 20.07.2020 um 18:06 schrieb Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>>: Stuart you are very eager to have this list being moderated again, please stop. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Stuart Willet (primary) <stu(a)safehosts.co.uk<mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 7:04 PM To: Maxi <maxi(a)zeug.co<mailto:maxi@zeug.co>>; Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members You also represent 0.03% what is your point, other than emphasizing your idiocy further? This is a rhetorical question and does not require an answer. Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone ---- Elad Cohen wrote ---- Thank you Stuart again like your other colleagues that are showing to us the opinion of the 0.3% Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Stuart Willet (primary) <stu(a)safehosts.co.uk<mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 6:29 PM To: Maxi <maxi(a)zeug.co<mailto:maxi@zeug.co>>; Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad, you are your own worst enemy. You make sweeping statements then call others out for spamming. You make one post which generates 20 individual replies, which you then call spam. Some of us have learned that there is no talking to you. You have decided everyone who does not agree wihh you are either spamhaus or RIPE trying to discredit you. Please, for the sake of sanity, STOP postong in members discuss. Thank you. Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone ---- Elad Cohen wrote ---- I never attacked anyone personally. And are we going to see now 100 comments on each comment of mine ? (100 comments from the close circles of executive board members that want to keep RIPE executive board exactly as it is now), 100 comments is an overstatement, approximately 20~ of people that are not representing that whole RIPE community of almost 30,000 members. If anyone (of the 0.3% members) have any complaint then please send it directly to RIPE NCC instead of spamming/flooding the list. Thank you. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Maxi <maxi(a)zeug.co<mailto:maxi@zeug.co>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:55 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: Wesley Berendsen | GxW Internet Services <wesley(a)gxw.nl<mailto:wesley@gxw.nl>>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members I fully support the proposal of removing mister Cohen too. He attacks members personally and is giving a f**k about the CoC. Maxi On 20. Jul 2020, at 16:47, Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: Wesley, I didn't "start a topic" nor a thread, I commented to an announcement that was made by RIPE Executive Board Chairman. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Wesley Berendsen | GxW Internet Services <wesley(a)gxw.nl<mailto:wesley@gxw.nl>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:29 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: Rudolf E. Steiner <r.steiner(a)nemox.net<mailto:r.steiner@nemox.net>>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad, I think you are the one here "spamming and flooding" the lists because you are starting these topics all the time. --- [GxW Internet Services]<https://www.gxw.nl/> Wesley Berendsen / GxW.nl<http://GxW.nl> wesley(a)gxw.nl<mailto:wesley@gxw.nl> GxW Internet Services www.gxw.nl<https://www.gxw.nl/> [Facebook]<https://www.facebook.com/Its0nlyM3> [Twitter] <https://twitter.com/itsonlymeNL> [Google Plus] <https://plus.google.com/u/0/113922948626646016030> [Linkedin] <https://nl.linkedin.com/pub/wesley-berendsen/25/876/89b/> [Skype] [beforeprinting] This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be corrupted, arrive late or incomplete. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. Elad Cohen schreef op 2020-07-20 16:26: Rudolf, If you or anyone else have any complaint then complain directly to RIPE NCC, please don't flood or spam the list. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Rudolf E. Steiner <r.steiner(a)nemox.net<mailto:r.steiner@nemox.net>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:22 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad Cohen wrote: [...] > I only wrote the truth. [...] *PLONK!* -- nemox.net<http://nemox.net> Rudolf E. 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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Sander, You sent your answers directly to me in the correspondence below and unfortunately you lied. Here are two links to private presentations about Ops-Trust: https://www.docdroid.net/xfaKhhY/f41lf3st2015-trident-toothed-and-pronged-p… https://www.docdroid.net/xqTWVQW/first-2014-vixie-paul-op-sec-trust-pdf For anyone that wrote about conspiracies I suggest to read these two presentations. They shed a light about what is happening behind the scenes,who is really controlling the internet organizations such as RIPE NCC behind the scenes, Ops-Trust community secret website is: https://portal.ops-trust.net/ Returning again to your answers below Sander, you wrote that no data is shared - but not only that data is shared according to the first presentation link above - but Ops-Trust also have a classification for the data which is shared as can be seen in page 6 of the first presentation, let me read to you what is code red from this page: "RED when information cannot be effectively acted upon by additional parties, and could lead to impacts on a party's privacy, reputation or operations if misused" All that data is being shared with Law Enforcement Agencies without any warrants. Ops-Trust is the biggest privacy violation scandal since the beginning of the internet, according to the two above presentations Ops-Trust community is being used as a system to bypass the privacy laws in the European Union and in North America. Creating a very big group of a mob-like members that vouch for each others like criminals and transferring users data between each others, without any supervision and without any regulation, secretly. Sander, according to the presentations above you are a liar and according to your admission that you are part of the Ops-Trust community you are also a criminal. Because what being done in Ops-Trust (a systematic method to overcome the privacy laws on a massive scale and without warrants) is illegal. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sander Steffann Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:57 PM To: Elad Cohen Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members > Can you share how many more people in the RIPE community are members > of the Ops-Trust community ? No > Don't you find it problematic that private data from internet > organizations and internet companies is being shared there ? (without > the approval of the internet companies and internet organizations, > and with violation of the privacy policies of the internet companies > and internet organizations towards the end-users) It isn't > And don't you find it problematic that all that data which was > obtained illegaly, is being shared without any warrant (meaning > without any supervision of law) with law enforcement agencies members > which are also members of the Ops-Trust community ? As it isn't illegally obtained data, there is no problem with sharing it with law enforcement. > Don't you see Ops-Trust community as a systematic method to bypass > the privacy laws in the European Union and in North America ? No, there is nothing even remotely like that happening in Ops-Trust;

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 20 Jul '20

20 Jul '20

Sander, --- but I am a member of the Ops-Trust community. --- Can you share how many more people in the RIPE community are members of the Ops-Trust community ? Don't you find it problematic that private data from internet organizations and internet companies is being shared there ? (without the approval of the internet companies and internet organizations, and with violation of the privacy policies of the internet companies and internet organizations towards the end-users) And don't you find it problematic that all that data which was obtained illegaly, is being shared without any warrant (meaning without any supervision of law) with law enforcement agencies members which are also members of the Ops-Trust community ? Don't you see Ops-Trust community as a systematic method to bypass the privacy laws in the European Union and in North America ? Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sander Steffann Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:40 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Hi Elad, > First of all, it is good to know that you see a membership in the > illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" as an > insultment and as not respectful. I'm not a fan of Spamhaus, but I am a member of the Ops-Trust community. > I didn't insult anyone and I didn't disrespect anyone, I only wrote > the truth. You are claiming that certain people have relations with illegal/criminal organisations. If you would write that about me I would consider that an insult/libel/etc. Just checking: are you speaking as an individual or as a member of the task force? That makes a huge difference to me. Cheers, Sander

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 20 Jul '20

20 Jul '20

Sacha, I didn't write anything about IPv4+ and I'm not going to promote it, even that I received 15% of the total votes the community made a decision regarding who was elected. My intentions are that the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" will not control RIPE NCC or any other entity. And I would like to ask the whole RIPE community to see the RIPE object screenshots in the following links, the company PlusServer of Sacha Growe created objects in RIPE for "Thomas Morrison" - a fake identity of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". https://imgur.com/a/8dW46qF https://imgur.com/a/F0XfSKn https://imgur.com/a/VZd2qW6 I hope that one day the people of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" will not give the tone here and that the tone will be give by the almost 30,000 members of the RIPE community. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sascha Growe Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 4:28 PM To: Elad Cohen; members-discuss(a)ripe.net; Christian Kaufmann Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Better “The SpamHaus Project”, than ipv4+ Regards -- Sascha Growe Head of Core Network E-Mail: sascha.growe(a)plusserver.com PlusServer GmbH Verlerstr. 6 33332 Gütersloh HRB 84977 / Amtsgericht Köln Geschäftsführer: Dr. Oliver Mauss, Jürgen Metko, Holger Müller, Dr. Frank Nellissen Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> im Auftrag von Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Datum: Montag, 20. Juli 2020 um 15:22 An: "members-discuss(a)ripe.net" <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>, Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members At least 5 members of this list (the majority of this list) are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project", here goes taking care to the interests of the whole RIPE community. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> on behalf of Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 3:42 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Dear members, Following our earlier call for volunteers to join the RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force, we are now able to confirm that the following members have been selected to take part: Erik Bais (Netherlands) Randy Bush (Estonia) Elad Cohen (Israel) Carlos Friaças (Portugal) Toma Gavrichenkov (Russia) Sergey Myasoedov (Czech Republic) - Task Force Chair Arnold Nipper (Germany) Cynthia Revström (Sweden) Jan Žorž (Slovenia) This group represents a good variety of regions and sectors from across the RIPE NCC membership and we have every confidence that they will carry out a full and fair evaluation of the current election process. The changes they recommend to this process will be submitted to the membership for its consideration at the upcoming October General Meeting. Further details of the rationale behind the formation of this task force, its charter and a timeline for its actions are available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/ripe-ncc-executive-board-elect… Kind regards, Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io

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Administrative procedures within RIPE NCC: Any way to soften it ?
by Clement Cavadore 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

Dear members, I wanted to share my recent experience regarding the painful administrative & bureaucratic procedures within RIPE NCC, and start a discussion with you, in order to see if some of you feel the same, and, if its the case, if we could make it evolve in order to enhance the "customer experience" :-). TL;DR: I feel that the due diligence procedures at RIPE NCC are too strict, and that they should be a bit more human when having to deal with administrative changes. >From my own experience, here is what happenned to me: One of my customer (let's call them A) has been a member for years, and it has been acquired/reorganized multiple times before when I started to work with him. As a responsible (new) LIR admin, I wanted to make its administrative status relevant with their real situation. That was a big mistake! While I can admit that the juridic situation was quite complex, we had to spend months in exchanging documents in order to justify every move, but in the end, the only option that we had, was to open a new LIR, and move its resources from the "legacy LIR" to the new one. We decided at some time, that it was not worth to waste more time than already done, so we did that, and A' was born (and we are going to move A resources to A'). ... but a few months later: Same player play again ! Another customer of mine (B, which is a sister company of A), needed its membership to be updated, as their original structure has been terminated (integrated in another company, partial merge, rename etc). => Well, after weeks of legal documents exchange, we were told by the RIPE NCC that all the justifications have been verified, and that was we were initially asking was OK... BUT... that they couldn't simply change the name of its LIR, because it has not been a full acquisition. The only valid/useable option would be to make B become a member on its own, and to transfer from the former LIR to that shiny new LIR (other option was to move the resources in A' and make assignations for B, but that is not an option for the end user's org). I have been talking with others members among my contacts, and they all say that having to deal with RIPE NCC on administrative topics is a pain in the ass. My question is simple: 1- Is there some ways to make RIPE NCC a bit more flexible, when the situation allows it? 2- For my particular case: Given that the "historic LIRs" from A & B only had some transferable resources, and given the fact that there were clear justification: Why not simply allowing a LIR name change? I cannot believe that the only option in order to sort out administrative mess, is to open new membership and terminate older membership. I know that RIPE NCC's income will lower in the next future, due to LIR consolidation, but at the moment, I am a bit feeling that the rigid procedures are only a mean for RIPE NCC to get new opening fee and double billing for new members/future closed members. For the RIPE NCC staff: I bet you could easily find which members I am talking about (and if not, I can share the ticket numbers in private). I can understand that your procedures have to be a bit strict in order to avoid resources Hijacks/illegal transfers, but when the situations seems understandable and correct, I'd like to see you exercise good judgment when it seems valid justifications. I just do not want to disclose the member's name publicly, as they didn't ask me to write this email. But since I am managing multiple LIRs, I thought it would be interesting to deal that topic on the membership level. If you have some experiences to share, go ahead ! Thanks for reading until the end ! -- Clément Cavadore

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Feedback on Mailing List/Board Election Issues - Follow-Up
by Christian Kaufmann 03 Jul '20

03 Jul '20

Dear members, In my previous email, I pointed to three areas of concern that came up ahead of our last General Meeting. Here is the promised follow-up on the third of these, which regards the ability to stand as a candidate in the RIPE NCC Executive Board elections. After discussing the topic, the board has agreed that the best course of action is to assemble a task force of members whose goal will be to evaluate the nomination and election process. The outcome of this evaluation will be a set of recommendations for the board to consider at its September meeting, followed by a proposal to be presented to the RIPE NCC membership at the October General Meeting. In this way, any necessary actions that need to be put to members for voting can happen before the next election takes place. This is not to say that the work of the task force will come to an end in September, as it may be that some of the relevant issues will still require further attention at that point. Specific topics we expect to be addressed include the introduction of measures for the qualification and verification of candidates, issues around representation in biographies and statements of support, and possibilities for allowing members greater opportunity to engage with and question candidates prior to the election. More generally, the task force will be aiming to ensure that those who stand for the board have the right expertise and background. We are, as of now, seeking volunteers willing to join the task force. We would like to see a diverse group of members apply, representing different regions and sectors of the membership. Please note that all meetings of the task force will be held remotely and will be organised by the RIPE NCC. To volunteer, please email agm(a)ripe.net by 8 July, remembering to let us know your country and organisation. We will then announce further details to you once the task force is formed. Kind regards Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC

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Re: [members-discuss] [EXT] [ncc-announce] [service] IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by Grumboeck Johannes (POI - AT/Salzburg) 24 Jun '20

24 Jun '20

Thanks, this is great news! Best regards JOHANNES GRUMBÖCK Porsche Informatik E-Mail/Chat johannes.grumboeck(a)porscheinformatik.com Internal -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ncc-announce <ncc-announce-bounces(a)ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Felipe Victolla Silveira Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2020 10:36 An: ncc-announce(a)ripe.net Betreff: [EXT] [ncc-announce] [service] IPv4 Transfer Listing Service Dear members, Thank you for providing feedback on the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service. The comments were constructive and it was very helpful to find that there is support for the service. What we heard was that while the listing service might not be used that much, it's worth preserving an option for members who don't want to go through a broker. That being the case, and as there is no urgent need to retire the service, we will keep it as-is for now. We are just about to start our planning for next year. Given that transfers will probably be with us for longer than we want to continue supporting the current implementation, we will also see if we can find a more permanent solution. Regards, Felipe Victolla Silveira Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by Max Tulyev 24 Jun '20

24 Jun '20

Dear Felipe, great, thank you! P.S. Have you any plans to open the Escrow service for members' resources transfer? I think it will be great too! 24.06.20 11:36, Felipe Victolla Silveira пише: > Dear members, > > Thank you for providing feedback on the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service. > The comments were constructive and it was very helpful to find that > there is support for the service. > > What we heard was that while the listing service might not be used that > much, it's worth preserving an option for members who don't want to go > through a broker. That being the case, and as there is no urgent need to > retire the service, we will keep it as-is for now. > > We are just about to start our planning for next year. Given that > transfers will probably be with us for longer than we want to continue > supporting the current implementation, we will also see if we can find a > more permanent solution. > > Regards, > > Felipe Victolla Silveira > Chief Operations Officer > RIPE NCC > >

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Re: [members-discuss] Decommissioning the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by José Manuel Giner 20 Jun '20

20 Jun '20

Hello, I am interested in keeping that list, we are part of the list to buy IPs and we like to receive offers from other LIRs. Thanks. On 10/06/2020 12:59, Felipe Victolla Silveira wrote: > Dear members, > > In my update at RIPE 80[1], I mentioned that we would like to > decommission the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service unless there there were > strong objections. So far, we have heard no requests to keep the service. > > In case anyone is unfamiliar with this, the listing service allows > members to offer/request IPv4 prefixes for transfer: > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/lis… > > While there are currently 681,000 IPv4 addresses "offered" on the > listing service, when we attempted to match LIRs that had used the > service with those that went on to make a transfer, we couldn't find > much of a correlation. Of the 1,969 LIRs that transferred resources in > our service region last year, only 76 had posted on the listing service > and it's not clear whether the service actually connected the > offering/receiving parties for these cases. > > As the listing service is reaching the end of its lifespan, a full > reimplementation would be needed to continue supporting it. Given that > the listing service does not appear to be adding much in terms of value, > spending development time on this does seem like a good use of members' > funds. > > We are therefore planning to discontinue the IPv4 Transfer Listing > Service on 22 June. If you have strong objections to this, please let us > know or share feedback on members-discuss. > > Regards > > Felipe Victolla Silveira > Chief Operations Officer > RIPE NCC > > [1] RIPE NCC Operational Update: > https://ripe80.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/28-Operational-Upd… > -- José Manuel Giner https://ginernet.com

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Feedback on Mailing List/Board Election Issues
by Christian Kaufmann 13 Jun '20

13 Jun '20

Dear members, Those of you following this mailing list may have noticed some disruption as we approached the last GM. Many of you shared your concerns, either on this list or by emailing the board directly - thank you. At the last GM, we promised to follow up with more details. With the election out of the way, we can now discuss whether changes are needed to avoid repeats of this behaviour in the future. >From the feedback we received, we can identify three main areas of concern: 1. Contact information was taken from the RIPE Database and/or the list of RIPE NCC members and was used to spam members with unsolicited emails. 2. Actions on this list were not in line with expectations outlined in the RIPE community's Code of Conduct and were generally unacceptable. There were also concerns that this behaviour, along with some of the allegations made on the mailing list, were damaging to the RIPE NCC's reputation. 3. The person responsible for the above behaviour was able to stand as a candidate in the RIPE NCC Executive Board elections. There were some voices asking for a process to exclude this candidate from the elections. In this email, I would like to look at issues #1 and #2 individually (#3 will be covered in a separate email after further discussion by the board). 1. ABUSE OF MEMBER CONTACT INFORMATION Many of you will recognise that this is not exactly uncommon. In the past there have been a number of instances where third parties (usually vendors or IPv4 brokers) have spammed RIPE Database contacts. When notified, the RIPE NCC follows what is generally considered common practice in these cases: it notifies the responsible party that they are violating the terms of the database and asks them to stop. The RIPE NCC reserves the right to pursue further legal action, though warnings have generally been enough to stop the behaviour. No one likes spam, and we appreciate that many of you want the RIPE NCC to do more, especially as this is a violation of your data protection rights. As long as the RIPE Database remains an open and public database, we expect that this may continue to be an issue. Perhaps this is something for members to raise with the RIPE Database Requirements Task Force on an individual basis. Individual members are also within their rights to report cases to their local data protection authorities where their personal information has been abused (the RIPE NCC is not able to do this on their behalf). 2. UNACCEPTABLE MAILING LIST BEHAVIOUR / DAMAGE TO THE RIPE NCC'S REPUTATION Regarding mailing list behaviour, in most cases this should not be complicated. The board is responsible for this list and it is within our remit to moderate or remove members from the list if we believe they are acting inappropriately. However, in this case the person who was abusing the mailing list was a candidate in the board elections. This led to concerns that we might be exposed to legal claims that we had attempted to influence the outcome of the election through any actions or statements in relation to this behaviour. Given the number of complaints we received, the board eventually took the decision to put the mailing list into moderation. One board member who was not up for re-election and one RIPE NCC staff member made the decisions on what to moderate, and an unmoderated archive allowed for a transparent record of what was removed: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/2020-Ma… Regarding the concerns about damaging the reputation of the RIPE NCC: while there is a provision in the Standard Service Agreement (SSA) that allows for the agreement to be terminated in the event that the RIPE NCC's reputation is damaged, in this case no one seemed to believe the claims, so no actual “damage” occurred. It therefore appears that the only issue that requires further investigation is how the board can ensure appropriate conduct on this mailing list when the person in question is a candidate in the board elections. The board would like to know your thoughts: - Should the same approach be used next time (moderation + unmoderated archive for transparency)? - Does the membership feel confident with moderation being overseen by the Executive Board and RIPE NCC staff, or would you prefer an alternate arrangement - Is there value in a task force of members to examine these issues? 3. ABILITY TO STAND AS A CANDIDATE IN BOARD ELECTIONS As mentioned above, the board is giving special attention to this issue. We plan to discuss this in a separate email in the near future. Kind regards Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] Decommissioning the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by David Croft 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

Hi Felipe If I was in the need of additional IPv4 space, I would much rather go to a location that is (a) central (b) legitimate (c) verifies that the transferer actually has the rights to the address space and (d) where I can be reasonably assured the sellers abide by RIPE policies. I assume following recent discussions that those brokers found breaking RIPE policy are now actively being removed, so this list is probably the best I could hope for. And any other listing service would not have the ability that you do to verify that the user has the address space in question registered to them. I would much rather this service continue to be maintained by the NCC than have to trawl the internet and deal with some of the shadier characters out there. And I don't feel it is a big ask of the NCC, as it falls under the core remit of responsible stewardship of the resources. And a note on the timing and your perceived utilisation statistics. Just because I have not had a need for it just yet, does not mean I cannot foresee a circumstance in the near future where I will need it. We have only just reached the point of IPv4 runout. I would also raise concerns that "a full reimplementation would be needed to continue supporting it" - how has it been allowed to be developed in such an unmaintainable manner that this is the only way to continue operating it? Regards David On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 12:59, Felipe Victolla Silveira <fvictolla(a)ripe.net> wrote: > Dear members, > > In my update at RIPE 80[1], I mentioned that we would like to decommission > the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service unless there there were strong > objections. So far, we have heard no requests to keep the service. > > In case anyone is unfamiliar with this, the listing service allows members > to offer/request IPv4 prefixes for transfer: > > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/lis… > > While there are currently 681,000 IPv4 addresses "offered" on the listing > service, when we attempted to match LIRs that had used the service with > those that went on to make a transfer, we couldn't find much of a > correlation. Of the 1,969 LIRs that transferred resources in our service > region last year, only 76 had posted on the listing service and it's not > clear whether the service actually connected the offering/receiving parties > for these cases. > > As the listing service is reaching the end of its lifespan, a full > reimplementation would be needed to continue supporting it. Given that the > listing service does not appear to be adding much in terms of value, > spending development time on this does seem like a good use of members' > funds. > > We are therefore planning to discontinue the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service > on 22 June. If you have strong objections to this, please let us know or > share feedback on members-discuss. > > Regards > > Felipe Victolla Silveira > Chief Operations Officer > RIPE NCC > > [1] RIPE NCC Operational Update: > > https://ripe80.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/28-Operational-Upd… >

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] Decommissioning the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by Hank Nussbacher 11 Jun '20

11 Jun '20

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] Decommissioning the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by Andrei Banu 10 Jun '20

10 Jun '20

Hello, Generally speaking I am happy with RIPE so please consider this only as a feedback, not as a complaint. I don't think that some bad stats necessarily warrant the total discontinuation of this service. Maybe RIPE should not act as a company that discontinues a product that is not popular. Maybe if the service would be truly enhanced, it would have more users. Additionally we can't know for sure where things will go in the future. Up until recently RIPE members were getting one /22 upon signup. As this is now gone, some LIRs might need to start purchasing. I might be very wrong but I feel that RIPE should have involved a lot more from the very start in most regards associated with this problem (cleaning up the unfair LIRs, some supervision, escrow etc) so that any exchange is done in a protected/vetted environment for it's members. Again, apologies if I don't comprehend the scale of the implications of such expectations. I don't know what resources it would require to be enhanced but when it comes to such an expensive resource as IPv4 (which is only going to get even more expensive as the time passes by), we would very much want some RIPE services in this regard for a little bit more peace of mind. So as a member we "vote" to keep this service either in the current form or in an enhanced one. Kind regards! On 10/06/2020 13:59, Felipe Victolla Silveira wrote: > Dear members, > > In my update at RIPE 80[1], I mentioned that we would like to > decommission the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service unless there there were > strong objections. So far, we have heard no requests to keep the service. > > In case anyone is unfamiliar with this, the listing service allows > members to offer/request IPv4 prefixes for transfer: > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/lis… > > While there are currently 681,000 IPv4 addresses "offered" on the > listing service, when we attempted to match LIRs that had used the > service with those that went on to make a transfer, we couldn't find > much of a correlation. Of the 1,969 LIRs that transferred resources in > our service region last year, only 76 had posted on the listing > service and it's not clear whether the service actually connected the > offering/receiving parties for these cases. > > As the listing service is reaching the end of its lifespan, a full > reimplementation would be needed to continue supporting it. Given that > the listing service does not appear to be adding much in terms of > value, spending development time on this does seem like a good use of > members' funds. > > We are therefore planning to discontinue the IPv4 Transfer Listing > Service on 22 June. If you have strong objections to this, please let > us know or share feedback on members-discuss. > > Regards > > Felipe Victolla Silveira > Chief Operations Officer > RIPE NCC > > [1] RIPE NCC Operational Update: > https://ripe80.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/28-Operational-Upd…

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] Decommissioning the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by U. Ozan Başar 10 Jun '20

10 Jun '20

Hello, We used the listing service for reaching interested parties while taking offers. Having such a list brings the right people together. If there was no such list, we had to contact a broker. In my opinion this service is useful and should continue to its life. Sincerely U. Ozan Basar /Nano Internet Technologies +90 850 433 62 66 Istanbul Cad Hamurcu Trade Center No:12/27 Bakirkoy Istanbul Turkey / 10.06.2020 13:59 tarihinde Felipe Victolla Silveira yazdı: > Dear members, > > In my update at RIPE 80[1], I mentioned that we would like to > decommission the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service unless there there were > strong objections. So far, we have heard no requests to keep the service. > > In case anyone is unfamiliar with this, the listing service allows > members to offer/request IPv4 prefixes for transfer: > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/lis… > > While there are currently 681,000 IPv4 addresses "offered" on the > listing service, when we attempted to match LIRs that had used the > service with those that went on to make a transfer, we couldn't find > much of a correlation. Of the 1,969 LIRs that transferred resources in > our service region last year, only 76 had posted on the listing > service and it's not clear whether the service actually connected the > offering/receiving parties for these cases. > > As the listing service is reaching the end of its lifespan, a full > reimplementation would be needed to continue supporting it. Given that > the listing service does not appear to be adding much in terms of > value, spending development time on this does seem like a good use of > members' funds. > > We are therefore planning to discontinue the IPv4 Transfer Listing > Service on 22 June. If you have strong objections to this, please let > us know or share feedback on members-discuss. > > Regards > > Felipe Victolla Silveira > Chief Operations Officer > RIPE NCC > > [1] RIPE NCC Operational Update: > https://ripe80.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/28-Operational-Upd…

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] Decommissioning the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by Pavel Polyakov 10 Jun '20

10 Jun '20

The stats are surprising me too. I haven't used the service but it is definitely where I would look first if I needed to. I vote to keep it alive. PP

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] Decommissioning the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by Max Tulyev 10 Jun '20

10 Jun '20

Dear Felipe, for me, this service is very useful. Is there any web statistics how many people had access to this site and data? 10.06.20 13:59, Felipe Victolla Silveira пише: > Dear members, > > In my update at RIPE 80[1], I mentioned that we would like to > decommission the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service unless there there were > strong objections. So far, we have heard no requests to keep the service. > > In case anyone is unfamiliar with this, the listing service allows > members to offer/request IPv4 prefixes for transfer: > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/lis… > > While there are currently 681,000 IPv4 addresses "offered" on the > listing service, when we attempted to match LIRs that had used the > service with those that went on to make a transfer, we couldn't find > much of a correlation. Of the 1,969 LIRs that transferred resources in > our service region last year, only 76 had posted on the listing service > and it's not clear whether the service actually connected the > offering/receiving parties for these cases. > > As the listing service is reaching the end of its lifespan, a full > reimplementation would be needed to continue supporting it. Given that > the listing service does not appear to be adding much in terms of value, > spending development time on this does seem like a good use of members' > funds. > > We are therefore planning to discontinue the IPv4 Transfer Listing > Service on 22 June. If you have strong objections to this, please let us > know or share feedback on members-discuss. > > Regards > > Felipe Victolla Silveira > Chief Operations Officer > RIPE NCC > > [1] RIPE NCC Operational Update: > https://ripe80.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/28-Operational-Upd… >

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [service] Decommissioning the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by Clement Cavadore 10 Jun '20

10 Jun '20

Hello Felipe, I think that this service is useful. I have been able to reach one of the listing LIR in the past, in order to acquire an inetnum for a customer of mine. Maybe it is not useful in term of providing specific address space available, but at least in term of seing which LIRs may have subnets available, and which LIRs are seeking for subnets. Having a list of "LIRs searching for /xx to /yy", and "LIRs offering /zz to /tt" (without having the specific block list made public, but only having it available for RIPE NCC staff), could still be valuable, IMHO. Kind regards, -- Clément Cavadore

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Cooking Show
by Silvan Gebhardt 03 Jun '20

03 Jun '20

Hi Folks, not sure where it is the right place to request, but can we get another cooking show with Alastair? I would be surprised if we don't find enough people requesting it ;) that would be a nice intermittent past-time until next (virtual?) RIPE ;) who's in for that too? Silvan

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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC General Meeting May 2020
by Sergey Myasoedov 20 May '20

20 May '20

Dear Hans Petter, > A full voting report detailing the voting numbers and a link to vote > receipts that members can use to verify their votes is available: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/voting-report Unfortunately voting report is not full, cite: "There are fewer voting receipts than total votes because some voters represented more than one member and carried the voting rights for these members." What is the reason not to publish ballot/vote weight? This could be useful for reproducing algorithm work result. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov Hans Petter Holen wrote Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:54:38 PM: > Dear colleagues, > The RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) was held from 13-15 May 2020. > An election took place to fill three seats on the RIPE NCC Executive > Board. There were eight candidates and the seats were filled by > Christian Kaufmann, Maria Häll and Raymond Jetten. > There were three resolutions to be voted on at the General Meeting. The > results of the voting on the resolutions are as follows: > Resolution 1: > "The General Meeting adopts the RIPE NCC Financial Report 2019.” > The resolution was approved. > Resolution 2: > "The General Meeting discharges the Executive Board with regard to its > actions as they appear from the Annual Report 2019 and Financial Report > 2019.” > The resolution was approved. > Resolution 3: > "The General Meeting approves the adoption of the RIPE NCC Charging > Scheme 2021.” > The resolution was approved. > I welcome Christian, Maria and Raymond to the Executive Board. > A full voting report detailing the voting numbers and a link to vote > receipts that members can use to verify their votes is available: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/voting-report > Information on the GM, including the supporting documents and > presentations, is available at: > https://ripe.net/gm/may-2020 > The RIPE NCC thanks its members for their feedback and participation. > Kind regards, > Hans Petter Holen > Managing Director > RIPE NCC

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Anthony Somerset 17 May '20

17 May '20

Respectfully there are only about 70-75 countries in RIPE as per https://www.nro.net/list-of-country-codes-in-the-ripe-ncc-region/ <https://www.nro.net/list-of-country-codes-in-the-ripe-ncc-region/> not over 100 thats some 25% or more difference - its important to be accurate with numbers and facts here. While I agree with your premise that a very small minority of countries are exercising their voting rights, its another thing altogether to say they are blanket controlling RIPE - it just means that LIR’s in other countries are either happy with the status quo or just not interested in exercising their democratic rights as members of RIPE, if other LIR’s don’t like the situation, the solution is very simple, they need to exercise those rights more actively - and because RIPE is a democratic organisation you can’t force people to get voting like say North Korea does…. > On 15 May 2020, at 18:41, Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: > > --- > I’m curious to understand if there is any particular reason for this? Does one have something to hide? > --- > Yes, I'm invisible. > > > --- > I also find it exceptionally curious having now had the time to read all the profiles more carefully, to note that your Motivation and Background is the only one out of 8 candidates that attacks some other person and/or organisation as part of the motivation. All of the other candidates have the good graces and respect to focus on more positive aspects. I repeat that, You sir are the ONLYcandidate that has openly run on the basis of personal attacks? I also note that your background is 1 sentence of 2 lines, which is just a statement that doesn’t provide some reasonably traceable evidence of your actual technical and management experience. Again one is left asking the question, Does one have something to hide? > --- > Untrue, only my last part was related to Christian and Maria and I brought something to the attention of the community which I believe is important, lies and dishonest between themselves towards the community - if the community are accepting such standard then it is up for the community. I was personally attacked heavily by most of the candidates. Including a fake media report that included in it a sentence that I didn't do anything illegal (in order to try to avoid from a lawsuit) but no one reads the whole article and read only the title which was intended to damage my election and succeeded. That fake report was pumped in all *NOG groups by the messengers of some of the candidates. > > Actually I was the only one that came to member-discuss to answer any question and I could also answer any question about my background when asked in a respectful way. No other candidate did it - if that is the kind of elections the community wants it is up to you - if you decide to choose candidates based on what they are writing on themselves and not to have any interaction with them - it is up to you. > > At the end - 3 countries decided who will be the board members and 3 countries are controlling RIPE and giving the tone in RIPE - UK, Germany and France - when there are more than 100 countries in RIPE - I'm not against these countries, I only tried to make RIPE more reflecting for all the countries - the community decided and I respect it of course. I wish good luck to the chosen candidates. > > > --- > I am equally interested as to how you will technically achieve 0 RIPE fees yet at the same time improve SLA response time to 24 hours for RIPE tickets – on the surface they appear to be mutually exclusive targets. Don’t get me wrong I would love 0 fees to RIPE like all of us, but I am a realist – I just can’t see how you can reduce expenditure and increase other revenue outside of the fees all the same while improve response times (more staff). I am just failing to see how that would move the numbers by that large amount. I will also say good luck auditing every expense – you will fast learn that this is NOT the most efficient way to do things, and why a LOT of the “bureaucracy” exists in the first place. > --- > It was intended to be over a period of time, in stages over the whole 3 years period, to make RIPE more efficient organization - through it the expenses will be lowered and then some of the left over income will be invested correctly to generate high ROI while the other part of the left over income will be used in order to lower the yearly membership fees, gradually over time, until RIPE membership fees will be $0 and it can happen with a very efficient organization. > > > --- > To the other candidates – Kudos to you for taking the time to write out careful and reasoned motivations and providing some more useful insights into your real credentials – I wish you all the best of luck and may the best Man or Lady win and do RIPE proud! > --- > 10% of the total voters voted for me, they represent 10% of the whole RIPE community. More than the initial voters of the elected #3. You say that nobody personal attacked me - but you should check the *NOG groups and how the fake media report was pumped there. > > > > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> on behalf of anthony.somerset(a)cloudunboxed.net <anthony.somerset(a)cloudunboxed.net> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:06 PM > To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Fw: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Mr Cohen > > I find it most interesting that your profile is the only one lacking a picture of the candidate - https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bi… <https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bi…> I’m curious to understand if there is any particular reason for this? Does one have something to hide? > > I also find it exceptionally curious having now had the time to read all the profiles more carefully, to note that your Motivation and Background is the only one out of 8 candidates that attacks some other person and/or organisation as part of the motivation. All of the other candidates have the good graces and respect to focus on more positive aspects. I repeat that, You sir are the ONLY candidate that has openly run on the basis of personal attacks? I also note that your background is 1 sentence of 2 lines, which is just a statement that doesn’t provide some reasonably traceable evidence of your actual technical and management experience. Again one is left asking the question, Does one have something to hide? > > I am equally interested as to how you will technically achieve 0 RIPE fees yet at the same time improve SLA response time to 24 hours for RIPE tickets – on the surface they appear to be mutually exclusive targets. Don’t get me wrong I would love 0 fees to RIPE like all of us, but I am a realist – I just can’t see how you can reduce expenditure and increase other revenue outside of the fees all the same while improve response times (more staff). I am just failing to see how that would move the numbers by that large amount. I will also say good luck auditing every expense – you will fast learn that this is NOT the most efficient way to do things, and why a LOT of the “bureaucracy” exists in the first place. > > To the other candidates – Kudos to you for taking the time to write out careful and reasoned motivations and providing some more useful insights into your real credentials – I wish you all the best of luck and may the best Man or Lady win and do RIPE proud! > > Best Regards > > Anthony Somerset > > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> On Behalf Of Elad Cohen > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:47 PM > To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net > Subject: [members-discuss] Fw: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Hello, > > My response below to "The Ronald Show" in Nanog, if you will post his intentional lies in member-dicuss then you show also post my reply below to his lies. > > Kind Regards, > Elad > > From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io <mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 4:46 PM > To: Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com>>; nanog(a)nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <nanog(a)nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Hello Everyone, > > My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. > > What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. > > I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). > > "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: > > https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Vio… <https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Vio…> > > They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". > > Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". > > > ---- > and that said legal counsel has then > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block > ---- > This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly. > > > ---- > "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" > ---- > Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX <https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX> > https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ <https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ> > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz <https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz> > > Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: > https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk <https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk> > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz <https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz> > > > In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX <https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX> ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). > > The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach <https://twitter.com/underthebreach> , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition. > > That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach <https://twitter.com/underthebreach> which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example: > > - Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. > - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com <https://wordtothewise.com/>) > > Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project": > > "Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") > "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/ <https://www.invaluement.com/>) > "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/ <https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/>) > "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/ <https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/>) > "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/>) > "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/>) > Among others. > > Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project": > ThreatSTOP > FarSight Security > Fastly > Dyn > Cymru > Abusix > Among others. > > > Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written: > > "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report." > > But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a single proof. > > > Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then please stop spamming the mailing list". > > Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: > "less than honorable intent reach for power" > "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else" > "Democracy dies in darkness." > > When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected: > > IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ ) > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.h… <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.h…> > > Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project") > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.h… <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.h…> > > Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed ip traffic with is a source for criminality: > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.h… <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.h…> > > They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will have no footprint in RIPE. > > My full agenda can be read here: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bi… <https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bi…> > > Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations and many businesses worldwide. > > Kind Regards, > Elad > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org <mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com <mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM > To: nanog(a)nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> <nanog(a)nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> > Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE. > > Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will > be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from > now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats. > > I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for > the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal > counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a > block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" > historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been > legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. > (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, > trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, > and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against > this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.) > > Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you > be the judge. > > In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all > know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a > number of additional startling facts relating to the people who > nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as > documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen: > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-… <https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-…> > > I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned > in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, > so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now > it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely > available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, > IMHO. > > > Regards, > rfg > > > P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained > from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either > partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will > refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least > note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when > people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, > focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and > their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, > persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate > regularity, obtain it. > > I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with > personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those > responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, > however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- > order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for > those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you > consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, > this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, > and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default > or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them > personally, to the exclusion of all else. > > P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the > very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a > due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, > due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list > transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched > to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of > the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board > election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, > are now entirely off-limits. > > I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, > not too long ago: > > "Democracy dies in darkness." > -- anon

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Fw: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Elad Cohen 15 May '20

15 May '20

Hello, My response below to "The Ronald Show" in Nanog, if you will post his intentional lies in member-dicuss then you show also post my reply below to his lies. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 4:46 PM To: Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com>; nanog(a)nanog.org <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Hello Everyone, My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Vio… They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". ---- and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block ---- This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly. ---- "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" ---- Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition. That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example: - Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com) Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project": "Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/) "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/) Among others. Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project": ThreatSTOP FarSight Security Fastly Dyn Cymru Abusix Among others. Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written: "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report." But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a single proof. Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then please stop spamming the mailing list". Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: "less than honorable intent reach for power" "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else" "Democracy dies in darkness." When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected: IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more 4,294,967,296‬ IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ ) https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.h… Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project") https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.h… Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed ip traffic with is a source for criminality: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.h… They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will have no footprint in RIPE. My full agenda can be read here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bi… Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations and many businesses worldwide. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM To: nanog(a)nanog.org <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE. Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats. I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.) Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you be the judge. In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a number of additional startling facts relating to the people who nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen: https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-… I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, IMHO. Regards, rfg P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate regularity, obtain it. I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else. P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, are now entirely off-limits. I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, not too long ago: "Democracy dies in darkness." -- anon

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Board elections voting report
by Töma Gavrichenkov 15 May '20

15 May '20

Peace, This is not a complaint, but I just wonder why it usually takes around a week for the NCC to publish the voting report. That's just an export from some database, right? Why doesn't it just show up right after the elections end? -- Töma

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Re: [members-discuss] Board elections voting report
by Terrence Koeman 15 May '20

15 May '20

You can find it here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/voting-report -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, 15 May 2020 16:20 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] Board elections voting report > Peace, > > This is not a complaint, but I just wonder why it usually takes around > a week for the NCC to publish the voting report. That's just an > export from some database, right? Why doesn't it just show up right > after the elections end? > > -- > Töma > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/terrence%40darkness-…

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FW: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Terrence Koeman 13 May '20

13 May '20

I believe the below message (posted to the NANOG list) and news article linked therein is of concern to RIPE members, especially those that are voting. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:51 To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE. > > Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will > be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from > now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats. > > I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for > the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal > counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a > block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" > historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been > legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. > (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, > trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, > and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against > this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.) > > Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you > be the judge. > > In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all > know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a > number of additional startling facts relating to the people who > nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as > documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen: > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-… > > I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned > in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, > so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now > it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely > available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, > IMHO. > > > Regards, > rfg > > > P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained > from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either > partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will > refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least > note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when > people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, > focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and > their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, > persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate > regularity, obtain it. > > I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with > personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those > responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, > however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- > order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for > those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you > consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, > this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, > and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default > or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them > personally, to the exclusion of all else. > > P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the > very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a > due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, > due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list > transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched > to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of > the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board > election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, > are now entirely off-limits. > > I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, > not too long ago: > > "Democracy dies in darkness." > -- anon

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Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate
by Terrence Koeman 13 May '20

13 May '20

First of all, RIPE doesn't own the IP addresses allocated to it. Why would you just assume they do? Somehow you've decided that RIPE owns the IP ranges and we (LIRs) just get to borrow them from RIPE and therefore leasing a legitimately acquired block to someone else that needs it is forbidden or something. All that is completely false. Please educate yourself by reading the relevant policies before doling out wrong advice and unnecessarily burdening RIPE with your emails (which is probably why they ignore or trash them). -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: "Stuart Willet (primary)" <stu(a)safehosts.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 06:15 To: Bill Lewis; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate > I have a default reply for these... > > Hi, > > If you have unused IPv4 it should be returned to the pool. > RIPE own the IP addresses, not you. > > I have informed RIPE of your position. > > Best regards, > > > I then forward the email off to RIPE. > Nothing ever seems to happen though, which is odd given that RIPE are the actual owners of the IP addresses it should be simple for them to reclaim any listed as for sale or lease? > > > Best, > > Stuart Willet > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Bill Lewis > Sent: 08 May 2020 19:59 > To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Mass emailing towards LIRs contacts, from a Board candidate > > Hi, > > Not getting this at least but have had an email from a company that leases IP4 space, sent to the email address used for our Ripe account (not on any of our IP records). > > Apparently has /22 blocks they would like to rent out, surely unused blocks should be in Ripe's hands, not profiteers? > > just a thought and how they gained the email address too. Anybody else had this? > > Bill > > On 08/05/2020 07:53, Benjamin Collet wrote: > > On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 08:57:28AM +0200, Clement Cavadore wrote: > >> I have received multiple times (to many of the LIRs I manage contact > >> emails), this night, an e-mail coming from a RIPE NCC Board > >> candidate, who promotes his candidacy. Be his candidacy admissible > >> and decent or not, is not the point. But, is that kind of mass-mailing correct ? > > I also got this email (have a guess whom it was from…). I believe this > > kind of mass-mailing is in direct violation of article 4 - section 4 > > of RIPE DB terms and conditions > > (https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/support/documentation/terms) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40metroswitch.c… > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/terrence%40darkness-…

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