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Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Register for the RIPE NCC General Meeting October 2020
by Sergey Myasoedov 03 Sep '20

03 Sep '20

Dear Hans Petter, There are some confusing dates in your message: > Important Dates and Deadlines > 2 Sep - Invitation to register for GM and voting > 30 Sep - GM documents published > 14 Oct - Deadline for proxy vote nominations > 14 Oct - Deadline for members to propose resolutions > 14 Oct - Deadline to publish final agenda > 28 Oct - GM begins with main meeting (18:00 UTC+1) RIPE-739, AoA: 15.1 The Executive Board shall send the convocations for the General Meeting, including the agenda containing the subjects for the General Meeting, a URL to the verbatim text of the proposed resolutions and, if applicable, the draft Activity Plan and draft budget, to the Members at least _four_weeks_ before the Meeting... As far as I understand, the agenda and resolutions should be published by 28 September, is this correct? Thanks. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov You wrote Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 10:37:01 AM: > Dear colleagues, > On behalf of our Executive Board, I invite you to register for the RIPE > NCC General Meeting (GM) October 2020. > You can register to participate and vote at: > https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-oct-2020 > The GM will take place from 28-30 October 2020 online, adjacent to the > RIPE 81 meeting. To participate you can follow the GM via livestream, > participate via chat and vote on resolutions electronically. > The GM gives members an opportunity to discuss the operations and > activities of the RIPE NCC. At the upcoming GM, we invite you to > discuss, among other things: > - The Draft RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2021 > - Redistribution of the RIPE NCC surplus/deficit to the membership (to > be voted on) > - Reports from the RIPE NCC Executive Board and RIPE NCC Management > All supporting documents will be posted and announced to the membership > by 30 September 2020. > Registration for electronic voting will remain open until 16:00 local > time (UTC+1) on the day of the GM, 28 October 2020. > All information on how to participate, including the proxy voting form, > is available from: > https://ripe.net/gm/oct-2020 > If you have questions about the GM, please email us at agm(a)ripe.net. > Kind regards, > Hans Petter Holen > Managing Director > RIPE NCC > Important Dates and Deadlines > 2 Sep - Invitation to register for GM and voting > 30 Sep - GM documents published > 14 Oct - Deadline for proxy vote nominations > 14 Oct - Deadline for members to propose resolutions > 14 Oct - Deadline to publish final agenda > 28 Oct - GM begins with main meeting (18:00 UTC+1) > 30 Oct - GM closes with announcement of voting results (10:45 UTC+1)

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Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation
by Elad Cohen 27 Jul '20

27 Jul '20

Mr. Doering, The actual voters are reflecting the whole RIPE community, hence nearly 4000 members are supporting me. And I did receive more votes than the initial votes of the elected #3 and only because the voting system that elected #1 can ask his voters who to support in the next seats, the elected #3 was elected. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Gert Doering Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:01 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Andrei Banu; members-discuss(a)ripe.net; exec-board(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation Hi, On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:54:46AM +0000, Elad Cohen wrote: > Andrei, I received 15% of the total votes, which are reflecting 15% of the > total members in the RIPE community, approximately 4000 members. 15% of the votes registered. Since not all members voted, this is WAY less than "4000 members supporting you". (I tried to stay out of this, but this is factually wrong and gives the impression that there is large support for Mr. Cohen, which there wasn't. Some protest voters always vote "against the regime!", and of course they are free to do so) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279

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Fw: RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 27 Jul '20

27 Jul '20

If a majority in a task force can decide to dismiss one of the task force members then a task force will never be diverse. This is exactly what happened here, a majority of people that know themselves well before the task force decided which task force members they want and which they don't want. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:59 PM To: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa(a)net-art.cz>; Cynthia Revström <me(a)cynthia.re> Cc: Arnold Nipper <arnold.nipper(a)de-cix.net>; Carlos Friaças <cfriacas(a)fccn.pt>; Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan(a)go6.si>; Erik Bais <erik(a)bais.name>; Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com>; Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com>; remco van mook <remco.vanmook(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Of course, that task force was only created to prevent my nomination in the next elections, thank you for proving it. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa(a)net-art.cz> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:50 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io>; Cynthia Revström <me(a)cynthia.re> Cc: Arnold Nipper <arnold.nipper(a)de-cix.net>; Carlos Friaças <cfriacas(a)fccn.pt>; Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan(a)go6.si>; Erik Bais <erik(a)bais.name>; Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com>; Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com>; kaa(a)net-art.cz <kaa(a)net-art.cz>; remco van mook <remco.vanmook(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Dear colleagues, The EB Election Task force has been established on Monday, and it took about a day to understand that at least half of the TF members prefer not to be in the same group with Elad Cohen. It was not clearly stated – we just didn’t have enough time for this – but everyone was expected to follow the Code of Conduct for RIPE Meetings. However, Elad clearly said that he is not following the CoC. The Task Force is expected to produce an useful output for the Executive Board and to help clarify the RIPE NCC election procedures. We have a short time to organise several meetings and exchange opinions. Developing and accepting our own CoC means stealing time from ourselves. We should be able to behave in a small group without a rules written in stone. And the Task Force should be a place for a comfortable work, not for fight and defense. I am sorry that this wasn’t true in the very beginning of our work. I would like to prevent resignations from the Task Force. The TF members should not feel any fears and threats caused by any other TF member. And all this above and the motion from the TF members for removal led me to a decision to dismiss Elad Cohen from the RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force, effective immediately. With Best Regards, Sergey Myasoedov RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Chair

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Re: [members-discuss] Administrative procedures within RIPE NCC: Any way to soften it ?
by Athina Fragkouli 25 Jul '20

25 Jul '20

Dear Clement, all Thank you for sharing your concerns and apologies for the late reply. We recognise that providing documentation can take a lot of time and keeps you from your real work. However, we need to be clear on exactly who the resource holder is - to prevent hijacks as you note, but also to avoid legal disputes over the resources in the future. This is a risk when company structures are changing or companies are being spun off, and untangling this to see what is actually changing is not always straightforward. Our transfer procedure was updated after a board resolution in 2016 which stated that all transfers, including mergers and acquisitions, must follow the RIPE transfer policy unless supported by documentation from a national authority[1]. This closed a well-known and abused loophole that members were using to transfer resources outside of the policy. The other important point to note here is that under Dutch law, memberships are not transferrable. What we therefore need to establish in these cases is whether a separate legal entity is receiving the resources. If this is indeed what's happening, they will need to become a member. This is because a non-member cannot receive resources and they are not able to assume the membership of the company they are getting the resources from. Of course, if the receiving party is already a member, they will not have to open an additional membership to acquire the resources. Finally, it is worth noting that we have invested quite a lot of effort into improving our due diligence processes. We have recently developed an approach that should ease a lot of the burden for members in terms of documentation. We will share some more details about this in the near future. Regards Athina Fragkouli Chief Legal Officer RIPE NCC [1] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple LIR Accounts - Decisions and Next Steps: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-announce/2016-April/001031.html

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EB Election Task Force and Moderating members-discuss
by Christian Kaufmann 24 Jul '20

24 Jul '20

Dear members, I would like to first address the issues around the Executive Board Election Task Force. We decided to appoint all those who volunteered for the task force. We did so to be as inclusive as possible and to ensure a wide variety of views from as diverse a group of people as possible. The board has no issues with any views regarding the election process, and it is right to give people the benefit of the doubt. However, behaviour on the mailing list and on the task force must adhere to the RIPE Mailing List/RIPE Forum Code of Conduct, which is available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/ripe-mailing-list-ripe-forum-code-of-… The board has delegated to the task force and its chair the powers to warn and if necessary remove members of the task force who do not adhere to the code of conduct. I also regret to inform you that the Executive Board has decided to again place the members-discuss mailing list in moderation. We had hoped that lifting moderation outside an election campaign would be possible, but this has proven not to be the case. Moderation will remain in place at least until the next RIPE Meeting takes place. Emails will not be approved to be posted to the list that do not meet the requirements of the code of conduct or that do not meet the intended purpose of providing members with a means to discuss membership issues among themselves. The moderators of the list will be one member of the Executive Board and one member of RIPE NCC staff. Mails will be moderated during office hours. A separate archive of all mails including those rejected by the moderators will be available for transparency at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/ Regards, Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC

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Unmoderated List on RIPE NCC Website
by Christian Kaufmann 23 Jul '20

23 Jul '20

Dear all, The unmoderated version of this mailing list is now located on the RIPE NCC website with the other membership mailing lists: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/ripe-ncc-mailing-lists Regards, Christian Kaufmann RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman

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Follow-up on Moderation of Mailing List
by Christian Kaufmann 23 Jul '20

23 Jul '20

Dear members, This week, the Executive Board placed members-discuss into moderation. We subsequently removed several messages from the archives that contained incredibly explicit, discriminating and abhorrent content. Further, these mails were impersonating representatives of RIPE NCC members and were clearly intended to be harmful to them. These mails breached the code of conduct that we expect members to follow on the mailing list on many levels. We therefore took the unprecedented step of removing the content of these mails and marked them as [Moderated] in the archives. I sincerely hope this is the last time we need to take such actions. I believe we can all agree that the behaviour that warranted the measures taken yesterday was not something we want to see again. I ask you to be civil in your discourse, to avoid aggravating fellow members and member representatives, and above all to treat each other with the respect that we deserve. Our membership plays an extremely important role in advancing the Internet in our part of the world. Let us remember that we can do this much more effectively when we work together to solve our disagreements positively and constructively. Regards, Christian Kaufmann RIPE NCC Executive Board Chairman

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Request to put Members-discuss in moderation
by Erik Bais 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais

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Re: [members-discuss] Request to put Members-discuss in moderation
by Misak Khachatryan 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

-1 Why you just not ignore him? Why you all feeding the troll? He just replies to any email, just don't reply. Moderation is just a capitulation and sign of community weakness. Best regards, Misak Khachatryan, On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:48 PM Hamed Shafaghi <hamed(a)mihantelecom.com<mailto:hamed@mihantelecom.com>> wrote: +1 | Hamed Shafaghi | On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:22 PM Erik Bais <ebais(a)a2b-internet.com<mailto:ebais@a2b-internet.com>> wrote: Dear Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, Please put the members-discuss@ ML onto moderation. This madness has gone long enough. Regards, Erik Bais _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/hamed%40mihantelecom…

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Spoofed message
by Cynthia Revström 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

I was just made aware that a spoofed message was sent to the mailing list claiming to be me. Investigating it currently, if it is to any help, if you check the message ID in the headers, it doesn't use my mail domain or Ip address. - Cynthia

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[Moderated]
by unknown＠example.com 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Message deleted: Inappropriate material reported as sent from spoofed address

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Re: [members-discuss] blacks
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Someone is sending fake emails from my email address to members-discuss. All the last emails I didn't send. ________________________________ From: Adrian Bolster <Adrian.Bolster(a)purebroadband.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:34 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: RE: [members-discuss] blacks Really? Is this deemed appropriate? I've read too many emails on this group and fear that it has now descended into a total and utter farce and I am now faced with the tough decision to setup rules in my inbox to just delete everything and miss out on interesting dialogue or continue to manually filter when I have way better things to do with my time. That's another 30 seconds of my life I won't get back! Adrian. -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> On Behalf Of Elad Cohen Sent: 21 July 2020 14:29 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] blacks i hate blacks _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/adrian.bolster%40sur…

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RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Christian Kaufmann 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Dear members, Following our earlier call for volunteers to join the RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force, we are now able to confirm that the following members have been selected to take part: Erik Bais (Netherlands) Randy Bush (Estonia) Elad Cohen (Israel) Carlos Friaças (Portugal) Toma Gavrichenkov (Russia) Sergey Myasoedov (Czech Republic) - Task Force Chair Arnold Nipper (Germany) Cynthia Revström (Sweden) Jan Žorž (Slovenia) This group represents a good variety of regions and sectors from across the RIPE NCC membership and we have every confidence that they will carry out a full and fair evaluation of the current election process. The changes they recommend to this process will be submitted to the membership for its consideration at the upcoming October General Meeting. Further details of the rationale behind the formation of this task force, its charter and a timeline for its actions are available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/ripe-ncc-executive-board-elect… Kind regards, Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC

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[Moderated]
by unknown＠example.com 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

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[Moderated]
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21 Jul '20

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[Moderated]
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21 Jul '20

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Bastiaan, I did send an image to RIPE AGM but unfortunately they didn't display it. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Bastiaan Visser <bastiaan(a)msbv.nl> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:05 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad, you want more openness, at the same time you were the ONLY candidate that's not showing his face. Why is that? You want everything ripe related to open up while you are hiding behind your keyboard. - Bastiaan Op ma 20 jul. 2020 om 20:20 schreef Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>>: Denys, Lets see if by the end of the task group: - Board members will not be able to be re-elected and will be able to serve only one term. - Candidates will write to which RIPE NCC suppliers they are connected, if to any. - Candidates will write their plans for RIPE NCC. - Candidates will answer questions from members publicly, for example in a mailing list. - Seats will be based on regions, so all areas of RIPE will have presence in RIPE Executive Board. - Changing the type of elections so each member will only have one vote, in this way the elected in seat #1 will not be able to choose who will be elected in the seats after. Or everything will be as it is now only with obstacles for me to be nominated next year, based on it we'll know who is the populist and who is playing on the emotions of RIPE members Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat(a)nuclearcat.com<mailto:nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:05 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Cc: Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members I don't think this Task Group will be efficient with volunteer, who directly started personal attacks against group members. Unfortunately, I missed the moment of recruiting volunteers, otherwise I would have submitted my candidacy (from Lebanon). Good luck to the working group, and i hope they will manage to make rules such way, so next elections will be more peaceful and make populism and playing on the emotions of RIPE members impossible. On 2020-07-20 16:21, Elad Cohen wrote: > At least 5 members of this list (the majority of this list) are > members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project", > here goes taking care to the interests of the whole RIPE community. > > Kind Regards, > Elad > > ------------------------- > > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of > Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net<mailto:exec-board@ripe.net>> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 3:42 PM > To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> > Subject: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task > Force Members > > Dear members, > > Following our earlier call for volunteers to join the RIPE NCC > Executive > Board Election Task Force, we are now able to confirm that the > following > members have been selected to take part: > > Erik Bais (Netherlands) > Randy Bush (Estonia) > Elad Cohen (Israel) > Carlos Friaças (Portugal) > Toma Gavrichenkov (Russia) > Sergey Myasoedov (Czech Republic) - Task Force Chair > Arnold Nipper (Germany) > Cynthia Revström (Sweden) > Jan Žorž (Slovenia) > > This group represents a good variety of regions and sectors from > across > the RIPE NCC membership and we have every confidence that they will > carry out a full and fair evaluation of the current election process. > The changes they recommend to this process will be submitted to the > membership for its consideration at the upcoming October General > Meeting. > > Further details of the rationale behind the formation of this task > force, its charter and a timeline for its actions are available at: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/ripe-ncc-executive-board-elect… > > Kind regards, > > Christian Kaufmann > Executive Board Chairman > RIPE NCC > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io > [1] > > > Links: > ------ > [1] > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40nuclear… _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/b.visser%40flexyz.com

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Fw: important
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

The beauty of RIPE. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: monox(a)matmen.tv <monox(a)matmen.tv> on behalf of Monox <monox(a)matmen.tv> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 4:13 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Subject: RE: important ill respect everyone when you stop pulling retarded shit like ipv4+ out of your ass, jew

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

You are 0.3% , no more than 100 people, when the RIPE community is assembled from 30,000 members, and you the 0.3% are trying to censor me. If you have any complaint then please send it directly to RIPE NCC and stop flooding the list with the same opinion which is a personal attack on me. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Vincentz Petzholtz Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 7:29 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Stuart Willet (primary); Maxi; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Many of us 0,03%ers quite do agree that you are the one who should stop. Go out and create a bad looking pre web 1.0 website like every proper conspiracy spokesman. Then we can read everything we need to know about the bad „Spamhaus Project“ without getting this list spammed. Thanks, Vincentz PS: sorry to feed the troll but I couldn’t resist standing by/behind my colleagues who already wrote Am 20.07.2020 um 18:06 schrieb Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>>: Stuart you are very eager to have this list being moderated again, please stop. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Stuart Willet (primary) <stu(a)safehosts.co.uk<mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 7:04 PM To: Maxi <maxi(a)zeug.co<mailto:maxi@zeug.co>>; Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members You also represent 0.03% what is your point, other than emphasizing your idiocy further? This is a rhetorical question and does not require an answer. Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone ---- Elad Cohen wrote ---- Thank you Stuart again like your other colleagues that are showing to us the opinion of the 0.3% Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Stuart Willet (primary) <stu(a)safehosts.co.uk<mailto:stu@safehosts.co.uk>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 6:29 PM To: Maxi <maxi(a)zeug.co<mailto:maxi@zeug.co>>; Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad, you are your own worst enemy. You make sweeping statements then call others out for spamming. You make one post which generates 20 individual replies, which you then call spam. Some of us have learned that there is no talking to you. You have decided everyone who does not agree wihh you are either spamhaus or RIPE trying to discredit you. Please, for the sake of sanity, STOP postong in members discuss. Thank you. Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone ---- Elad Cohen wrote ---- I never attacked anyone personally. And are we going to see now 100 comments on each comment of mine ? (100 comments from the close circles of executive board members that want to keep RIPE executive board exactly as it is now), 100 comments is an overstatement, approximately 20~ of people that are not representing that whole RIPE community of almost 30,000 members. If anyone (of the 0.3% members) have any complaint then please send it directly to RIPE NCC instead of spamming/flooding the list. Thank you. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Maxi <maxi(a)zeug.co<mailto:maxi@zeug.co>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:55 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: Wesley Berendsen | GxW Internet Services <wesley(a)gxw.nl<mailto:wesley@gxw.nl>>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members I fully support the proposal of removing mister Cohen too. He attacks members personally and is giving a f**k about the CoC. Maxi On 20. Jul 2020, at 16:47, Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> wrote: Wesley, I didn't "start a topic" nor a thread, I commented to an announcement that was made by RIPE Executive Board Chairman. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Wesley Berendsen | GxW Internet Services <wesley(a)gxw.nl<mailto:wesley@gxw.nl>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:29 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io<mailto:elad@netstyle.io>> Cc: Rudolf E. Steiner <r.steiner(a)nemox.net<mailto:r.steiner@nemox.net>>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad, I think you are the one here "spamming and flooding" the lists because you are starting these topics all the time. --- [GxW Internet Services]<https://www.gxw.nl/> Wesley Berendsen / GxW.nl<http://GxW.nl> wesley(a)gxw.nl<mailto:wesley@gxw.nl> GxW Internet Services www.gxw.nl<https://www.gxw.nl/> [Facebook]<https://www.facebook.com/Its0nlyM3> [Twitter] <https://twitter.com/itsonlymeNL> [Google Plus] <https://plus.google.com/u/0/113922948626646016030> [Linkedin] <https://nl.linkedin.com/pub/wesley-berendsen/25/876/89b/> [Skype] [beforeprinting] This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be corrupted, arrive late or incomplete. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. Elad Cohen schreef op 2020-07-20 16:26: Rudolf, If you or anyone else have any complaint then complain directly to RIPE NCC, please don't flood or spam the list. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Rudolf E. Steiner <r.steiner(a)nemox.net<mailto:r.steiner@nemox.net>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 5:22 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Elad Cohen wrote: [...] > I only wrote the truth. [...] *PLONK!* -- nemox.net<http://nemox.net> Rudolf E. 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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

Sander, You sent your answers directly to me in the correspondence below and unfortunately you lied. Here are two links to private presentations about Ops-Trust: https://www.docdroid.net/xfaKhhY/f41lf3st2015-trident-toothed-and-pronged-p… https://www.docdroid.net/xqTWVQW/first-2014-vixie-paul-op-sec-trust-pdf For anyone that wrote about conspiracies I suggest to read these two presentations. They shed a light about what is happening behind the scenes,who is really controlling the internet organizations such as RIPE NCC behind the scenes, Ops-Trust community secret website is: https://portal.ops-trust.net/ Returning again to your answers below Sander, you wrote that no data is shared - but not only that data is shared according to the first presentation link above - but Ops-Trust also have a classification for the data which is shared as can be seen in page 6 of the first presentation, let me read to you what is code red from this page: "RED when information cannot be effectively acted upon by additional parties, and could lead to impacts on a party's privacy, reputation or operations if misused" All that data is being shared with Law Enforcement Agencies without any warrants. Ops-Trust is the biggest privacy violation scandal since the beginning of the internet, according to the two above presentations Ops-Trust community is being used as a system to bypass the privacy laws in the European Union and in North America. Creating a very big group of a mob-like members that vouch for each others like criminals and transferring users data between each others, without any supervision and without any regulation, secretly. Sander, according to the presentations above you are a liar and according to your admission that you are part of the Ops-Trust community you are also a criminal. Because what being done in Ops-Trust (a systematic method to overcome the privacy laws on a massive scale and without warrants) is illegal. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sander Steffann Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:57 PM To: Elad Cohen Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members > Can you share how many more people in the RIPE community are members > of the Ops-Trust community ? No > Don't you find it problematic that private data from internet > organizations and internet companies is being shared there ? (without > the approval of the internet companies and internet organizations, > and with violation of the privacy policies of the internet companies > and internet organizations towards the end-users) It isn't > And don't you find it problematic that all that data which was > obtained illegaly, is being shared without any warrant (meaning > without any supervision of law) with law enforcement agencies members > which are also members of the Ops-Trust community ? As it isn't illegally obtained data, there is no problem with sharing it with law enforcement. > Don't you see Ops-Trust community as a systematic method to bypass > the privacy laws in the European Union and in North America ? No, there is nothing even remotely like that happening in Ops-Trust;

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 20 Jul '20

20 Jul '20

Sander, --- but I am a member of the Ops-Trust community. --- Can you share how many more people in the RIPE community are members of the Ops-Trust community ? Don't you find it problematic that private data from internet organizations and internet companies is being shared there ? (without the approval of the internet companies and internet organizations, and with violation of the privacy policies of the internet companies and internet organizations towards the end-users) And don't you find it problematic that all that data which was obtained illegaly, is being shared without any warrant (meaning without any supervision of law) with law enforcement agencies members which are also members of the Ops-Trust community ? Don't you see Ops-Trust community as a systematic method to bypass the privacy laws in the European Union and in North America ? Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sander Steffann Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:40 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Hi Elad, > First of all, it is good to know that you see a membership in the > illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" as an > insultment and as not respectful. I'm not a fan of Spamhaus, but I am a member of the Ops-Trust community. > I didn't insult anyone and I didn't disrespect anyone, I only wrote > the truth. You are claiming that certain people have relations with illegal/criminal organisations. If you would write that about me I would consider that an insult/libel/etc. Just checking: are you speaking as an individual or as a member of the task force? That makes a huge difference to me. Cheers, Sander

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members
by Elad Cohen 20 Jul '20

20 Jul '20

Sacha, I didn't write anything about IPv4+ and I'm not going to promote it, even that I received 15% of the total votes the community made a decision regarding who was elected. My intentions are that the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" will not control RIPE NCC or any other entity. And I would like to ask the whole RIPE community to see the RIPE object screenshots in the following links, the company PlusServer of Sacha Growe created objects in RIPE for "Thomas Morrison" - a fake identity of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". https://imgur.com/a/8dW46qF https://imgur.com/a/F0XfSKn https://imgur.com/a/VZd2qW6 I hope that one day the people of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" will not give the tone here and that the tone will be give by the almost 30,000 members of the RIPE community. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: Sascha Growe Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 4:28 PM To: Elad Cohen; members-discuss(a)ripe.net; Christian Kaufmann Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Better “The SpamHaus Project”, than ipv4+ Regards -- Sascha Growe Head of Core Network E-Mail: sascha.growe(a)plusserver.com PlusServer GmbH Verlerstr. 6 33332 Gütersloh HRB 84977 / Amtsgericht Köln Geschäftsführer: Dr. Oliver Mauss, Jürgen Metko, Holger Müller, Dr. Frank Nellissen Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> im Auftrag von Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Datum: Montag, 20. Juli 2020 um 15:22 An: "members-discuss(a)ripe.net" <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>, Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members At least 5 members of this list (the majority of this list) are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project", here goes taking care to the interests of the whole RIPE community. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> on behalf of Christian Kaufmann <exec-board(a)ripe.net> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 3:42 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net <members-discuss(a)ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force Members Dear members, Following our earlier call for volunteers to join the RIPE NCC Executive Board Election Task Force, we are now able to confirm that the following members have been selected to take part: Erik Bais (Netherlands) Randy Bush (Estonia) Elad Cohen (Israel) Carlos Friaças (Portugal) Toma Gavrichenkov (Russia) Sergey Myasoedov (Czech Republic) - Task Force Chair Arnold Nipper (Germany) Cynthia Revström (Sweden) Jan Žorž (Slovenia) This group represents a good variety of regions and sectors from across the RIPE NCC membership and we have every confidence that they will carry out a full and fair evaluation of the current election process. The changes they recommend to this process will be submitted to the membership for its consideration at the upcoming October General Meeting. Further details of the rationale behind the formation of this task force, its charter and a timeline for its actions are available at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/ripe-ncc-executive-board-elect… Kind regards, Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/elad%40netstyle.io

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Administrative procedures within RIPE NCC: Any way to soften it ?
by Clement Cavadore 09 Jul '20

09 Jul '20

Dear members, I wanted to share my recent experience regarding the painful administrative & bureaucratic procedures within RIPE NCC, and start a discussion with you, in order to see if some of you feel the same, and, if its the case, if we could make it evolve in order to enhance the "customer experience" :-). TL;DR: I feel that the due diligence procedures at RIPE NCC are too strict, and that they should be a bit more human when having to deal with administrative changes. >From my own experience, here is what happenned to me: One of my customer (let's call them A) has been a member for years, and it has been acquired/reorganized multiple times before when I started to work with him. As a responsible (new) LIR admin, I wanted to make its administrative status relevant with their real situation. That was a big mistake! While I can admit that the juridic situation was quite complex, we had to spend months in exchanging documents in order to justify every move, but in the end, the only option that we had, was to open a new LIR, and move its resources from the "legacy LIR" to the new one. We decided at some time, that it was not worth to waste more time than already done, so we did that, and A' was born (and we are going to move A resources to A'). ... but a few months later: Same player play again ! Another customer of mine (B, which is a sister company of A), needed its membership to be updated, as their original structure has been terminated (integrated in another company, partial merge, rename etc). => Well, after weeks of legal documents exchange, we were told by the RIPE NCC that all the justifications have been verified, and that was we were initially asking was OK... BUT... that they couldn't simply change the name of its LIR, because it has not been a full acquisition. The only valid/useable option would be to make B become a member on its own, and to transfer from the former LIR to that shiny new LIR (other option was to move the resources in A' and make assignations for B, but that is not an option for the end user's org). I have been talking with others members among my contacts, and they all say that having to deal with RIPE NCC on administrative topics is a pain in the ass. My question is simple: 1- Is there some ways to make RIPE NCC a bit more flexible, when the situation allows it? 2- For my particular case: Given that the "historic LIRs" from A & B only had some transferable resources, and given the fact that there were clear justification: Why not simply allowing a LIR name change? I cannot believe that the only option in order to sort out administrative mess, is to open new membership and terminate older membership. I know that RIPE NCC's income will lower in the next future, due to LIR consolidation, but at the moment, I am a bit feeling that the rigid procedures are only a mean for RIPE NCC to get new opening fee and double billing for new members/future closed members. For the RIPE NCC staff: I bet you could easily find which members I am talking about (and if not, I can share the ticket numbers in private). I can understand that your procedures have to be a bit strict in order to avoid resources Hijacks/illegal transfers, but when the situations seems understandable and correct, I'd like to see you exercise good judgment when it seems valid justifications. I just do not want to disclose the member's name publicly, as they didn't ask me to write this email. But since I am managing multiple LIRs, I thought it would be interesting to deal that topic on the membership level. If you have some experiences to share, go ahead ! Thanks for reading until the end ! -- Clément Cavadore

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Feedback on Mailing List/Board Election Issues - Follow-Up
by Christian Kaufmann 03 Jul '20

03 Jul '20

Dear members, In my previous email, I pointed to three areas of concern that came up ahead of our last General Meeting. Here is the promised follow-up on the third of these, which regards the ability to stand as a candidate in the RIPE NCC Executive Board elections. After discussing the topic, the board has agreed that the best course of action is to assemble a task force of members whose goal will be to evaluate the nomination and election process. The outcome of this evaluation will be a set of recommendations for the board to consider at its September meeting, followed by a proposal to be presented to the RIPE NCC membership at the October General Meeting. In this way, any necessary actions that need to be put to members for voting can happen before the next election takes place. This is not to say that the work of the task force will come to an end in September, as it may be that some of the relevant issues will still require further attention at that point. Specific topics we expect to be addressed include the introduction of measures for the qualification and verification of candidates, issues around representation in biographies and statements of support, and possibilities for allowing members greater opportunity to engage with and question candidates prior to the election. More generally, the task force will be aiming to ensure that those who stand for the board have the right expertise and background. We are, as of now, seeking volunteers willing to join the task force. We would like to see a diverse group of members apply, representing different regions and sectors of the membership. Please note that all meetings of the task force will be held remotely and will be organised by the RIPE NCC. To volunteer, please email agm(a)ripe.net by 8 July, remembering to let us know your country and organisation. We will then announce further details to you once the task force is formed. Kind regards Christian Kaufmann Executive Board Chairman RIPE NCC

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Re: [members-discuss] [EXT] [ncc-announce] [service] IPv4 Transfer Listing Service
by Grumboeck Johannes (POI - AT/Salzburg) 24 Jun '20

24 Jun '20

Thanks, this is great news! Best regards JOHANNES GRUMBÖCK Porsche Informatik E-Mail/Chat johannes.grumboeck(a)porscheinformatik.com Internal -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ncc-announce <ncc-announce-bounces(a)ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Felipe Victolla Silveira Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2020 10:36 An: ncc-announce(a)ripe.net Betreff: [EXT] [ncc-announce] [service] IPv4 Transfer Listing Service Dear members, Thank you for providing feedback on the IPv4 Transfer Listing Service. The comments were constructive and it was very helpful to find that there is support for the service. What we heard was that while the listing service might not be used that much, it's worth preserving an option for members who don't want to go through a broker. That being the case, and as there is no urgent need to retire the service, we will keep it as-is for now. We are just about to start our planning for next year. Given that transfers will probably be with us for longer than we want to continue supporting the current implementation, we will also see if we can find a more permanent solution. Regards, Felipe Victolla Silveira Chief Operations Officer RIPE NCC

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