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Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account
by Morten Westerberg 22 Jul '16

22 Jul '16

I disagree, LIR accounts are LIR accounts and they are separate entities, if you want multiple LIR accounts to hoard IPv4's, it's only fair that you pay per /22 you aquire this way. Sincerely, Morten Westerberg------------------------------------------------Secure Data Center ApsNaverland 22600 GlostrupDenmark T: +45 70 215 101E: mw(a)securedatacenter.dkW: http://www.securedatacenter.dk---------------------------------------------… <div> </div><div> </div><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Sergiu IANCIUC <sergiu.ianciuc(a)itns.md> </div><div>Date: 7/21/16 12:14 (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Ping IP <pingip.network(a)gmail.com> </div><div>Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net </div><div>Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account </div><div> </div>salut Ping, agree with you, the additional LIR account have to be 50% from the first sign-up Best Regards, - Sergiu IANCIUC SC ITNS.NET SRL MD-2068, Moldova or. Chisinau, str. Miron Costin 3/1 tel.: +373 22 877 877 fax : +373 22 44 11 73 mobile: +373 690 22 111 url: http://www.itns.md Save a tree... Don't print this email unless you have to... Thursday, July 21, 2016, 7:08:02 PM, you wrote: Hello, A recent change has been made in the Billing and Fee Schedule 2016 , regarding the following sentence: "Members are charged a one-time sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 (two thousand euro) for each new LIR account." I'd like to discuss why an existing LIR member has to pay the sign-up fee again? As a new small LIR I'm paying a high price for a /22 IPv4. I think it's disproportionately to charge the sign-up fee again from an existing LIR member who is requesting an additional LIR account. I'd like to suggest to remove the one-time sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 for each additional LIR account. Or at least lower the sign-up fee to an acceptable rate. I'm not talking about the sign-up fee for a new LIR member, but about the sign-up fee for an additional LIR account. Thanks for discussing this subject. Best regards, Abdelouahed Haitoute Ping IP network

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Re: [members-discuss] Additional LIR accounts
by IP.RO - IPv4 Management SRL 22 Jul '16

22 Jul '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Stefan, Let's remember that you sent me the request for return half of ipv4 space on 15.10.2015 so you can lower your fees (125 Euro/year) and get half of the IPs for free... so have some decency and tell the true... Or you still want to have an annual renting fee of 30 euro/YEAR for a /24 range ... ?! or free ??? If you do not afford a renting fee of 125 Euro/YEAR for a /24... my bad... I forget that business means that only yours should be profitable... The main idea was in your interest so you do not remain by this RIPE decision without IPs... but have it your way... and lose the objective of this discussion.... If you want to discuss this in personal... just give me a call... RIPE LISTS are not for PERSONAL VENDETA... Cristian On 22.07.2016 08:03, Stefan Lazar wrote: > - hello Cristi, i think u are the last one who can give advice ... i will get advice from you if i will have > 8milion ipv4 and i wwill need to sell - remember u forced all Romanian ipv4 user to return half of ipv4 space, even > we need that blocks and we had dificulty to resolv with our clients > > Stefan ISP and now thx to Cristi LIR > > 2016-07-22 5:44 GMT+03:00 IP.RO <http://IP.RO> - IPv4 Management SRL <office(a)ip.ro <mailto:office@ip.ro>>: > > Dear colleagues, > > It's the first time that I'm writing on this list... even I'm dealing with RIPE for more then 10 years... > > I will present you the downside of this "Additional LIR accounts" which seems that everybody didn't think... > > You have an ISP which have 4x/22 IPv4 DHCP pools for his clients (allocated for more then 2 years)... and decide > that it's time to make some extra money.... > > This ISP signup for 4 additional LIR accounts... and get 4 brand new /22's... > > Then use then new ones for DHCP, sell his old 4x/22 and guess what... he make some extra money... ( selling old > blocks price - RIPE fees > 0 ) > > What is the ISP have 100x/22's... or even better... if it's not an ISP and it's a spammer .. with 1000x/22s... > double win... replace his blocks use them for spam and get extra money selling his old blocks... > > Maybe I'm wrong... > > Kind Regards, Cristian Haja IPv4 Management SRL > > ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR > Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > > > -- Servicii & Consultanta IT Str. Culturii, Nr 16 Navodari, Jud Constanta Tel1 : +40 723 306 978 Tel 2 : +40 > 7internet Tel 3 : +40 7navodari > > Tel/Fax : +40 241 762 002 / +40 241 762 000 +40 241 766 666 / +40 241 700 000 Mail : _office(a)sel.ro_ > <mailto:office@sel.ro> http://www.sel.ro <http://www.sel.ro/> - Servicii & Consultanta IT > http://www.07internet.ro - Internet, Telefonie, Televiziune http://www.pcdoctors.ro > <http://www.pcdoctors.ro/> - Magazin produse IT online -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXkbiZAAoJEI4w2mD8vaVOe+QQAL+JqplSnKGDKolQkk0iYiQd iqlKCbkiT81CVFo/zBsFQtcqnwStto6N4P3VX2FyAPfH4NkayGaTMl8PBQLgsuEY 6qq2dtoSrVK+7MMXp9IJzAguTCtLebSaN1TAYrbRgjyfVWWUjeCyyqxq4AKj0cGc rYU3Att9RfNpYlw31XyZZ6iOYbsmPuCxz1tPMgGrLRCpc8u7lPQ1Qr3GX9za5yEj Tg1/6uj3kY5Da6eMDF+v40DTylki+wRSu0ruQOgAGm/Oy+uSgIRqhRVHcpxkR3Nb HswxAbJF0HBRtI+wHpY/UHT4sShR9OiOFnYSb+z85ZtpzfgkaLn3S+LLarAM16bu bQeSw9pfzUb1bSqcUW+y6H8VknWYFJ7uJmkGXUYwMUfc3X7tJ5Ecapgz6XdvRo6y 9Tm1+6arjbgu1a2vvVBp1JwGJHNNTTaLkhoPC+GhUh0E1VG1GNJVhe8mdWrZBV1n gNqw8IGMENOnOpUeli4PwvWeNGUjcYhvlXbPA2Jm/+O5UaIaUBBBGyK0ElYYVu9x ajuXouLtE/AdCsvDIquA/2baIkaMrk1gOXe8upi3NctGLEZ7pFkChbJDI9C+o8Cy bdrPn+KvPZOh8CXqsOvZWCRfXNbVV3Xm1ywZwsCvC752rpIq9UEmNV1nepKEBmFU ltYmuwdo6giwGA3rF1k3 =eFlx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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